Topic: Fighting poverty or punishing the poor?
msharmony's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:22 AM

Seniors earned it.
The disabled can't.

Big freakin' difference between can't and WON"T, no?



yep . but who is gonna determine what that difference is?


not someone who believes people should accept any job offered them,, or else they don't 'want to work'


not someone who thinks not finding work and not 'wanting to work' are the same thing,,,that's for sure,,,

willing2's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:26 AM


Seniors earned it.
The disabled can't.

Big freakin' difference between can't and WON"T, no?



yep . but who is gonna determine what that difference is?


not someone who believes people should accept any job offered them,, or else they don't 'want to work'


not someone who thinks not finding work and not 'wanting to work' are the same thing,,,that's for sure,,,

:wink: laugh smokin

The disabled and seniors have already been determined.



msharmony's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:31 AM
yes but people who 'wont work', have not


willing2's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:35 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sun 09/14/14 08:37 AM

yes but people who 'wont work', have not



Refusing to or not taking what's available should be grounds for termination of freebies.

Actually, they are only free to the ones who refuse to work.

Laboring contributors carry the burden.

Me. If I don't tap her, I don't feed her.




mrld_ii's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:37 AM
I once knew of a woman (back in the 90s) who was a well-paid, highly respected third-party property manager. Part of her duties were to leave her office, drive to vacant homes (some renting for as much as $3,000/month at the time) and show them to prospective renters.

On one of these showings, she was ambushed by a "prospective renter" and brutally raped and beaten. While her body healed just fine, she found she was psychologically incapable of leaving her office TO show properties, again, and was awarded disability. To the best of my knowledge, she's still receiving it.


"Legitimately" "can't work"...she got a doctor's note to prove it and everything. She doesn't even HAVE to look for an Administrative Assistant job IN a property management office, where she's not required to leave it for showings. Doesn't even have to accept employment as counter-help at McDonald's, if (since?) she doesn't want (have?) to.

I'm sure there are many, MANY other similar stories, nation-wide.



Lines get blurry when we decide everything's cut-and-dried, huh? *Funny* how that happens.

:angel:

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:40 AM


yes but people who 'wont work', have not



Refusing to or not taking what's available should be grounds for termination of freebies.

Actually, they are only free to the ones who refuse to work.

Laboring contributors carry the burden.







so, those who aren't employed, should be slaves who accept whatever someone will offer them

gotcha

but , for me, that's ******** that I aint buying


I don't have to accept just ANY date
I don't have to accept just ANY school for my children
I don't have to accept just ANY type of treatement
and I wont feel chastised into believing I have to accept just ANY job that's available

employers don't want that either, , people just applying for a 'job',, there is a certain 'compatibility' that is still expected, by both employer and employee


mrld_ii's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:46 AM



yes but people who 'wont work', have not



Refusing to or not taking what's available should be grounds for termination of freebies.

Actually, they are only free to the ones who refuse to work.

Laboring contributors carry the burden.







so, those who aren't employed, should be slaves who accept whatever someone will offer them

gotcha

but , for me, that's ******** that I aint buying


I don't have to accept just ANY date
I don't have to accept just ANY school for my children
I don't have to accept just ANY type of treatement
and I wont feel chastised into believing I have to accept just ANY job that's available

employers don't want that either, , people just applying for a 'job',, there is a certain 'compatibility' that is still expected, by both employer and employee




Empirically, I can attest to this.

When I first moved to Stockton in 2011 (when the job market was EXTREMELY tight) as someone with 26 years' experience in my career field, I was more-than-willing to accept ANY employment and gladly applied for ANY position.

I got very few call-backs for interviews. Those who did let it be known they would NOT be hiring me, as they were well aware that once the job market opened up again, they feared I'd be gone, leaving their $15/hour job behind me.

They were correct: continuing to work for $15/hour would make me susceptible to being a "poor" person...


...and that is unacceptable in the world; ironically, being "poor" is unacceptable in MY personal little world, too.






willing2's photo
Sun 09/14/14 08:48 AM

I once knew of a woman (back in the 90s) who was a well-paid, highly respected third-party property manager. Part of her duties were to leave her office, drive to vacant homes (some renting for as much as $3,000/month at the time) and show them to prospective renters.

On one of these showings, she was ambushed by a "prospective renter" and brutally raped and beaten. While her body healed just fine, she found she was psychologically incapable of leaving her office TO show properties, again, and was awarded disability. To the best of my knowledge, she's still receiving it.


"Legitimately" "can't work"...she got a doctor's note to prove it and everything. She doesn't even HAVE to look for an Administrative Assistant job IN a property management office, where she's not required to leave it for showings. Doesn't even have to accept employment as counter-help at McDonald's, if (since?) she doesn't want (have?) to.

I'm sure there are many, MANY other similar stories, nation-wide.



Lines get blurry when we decide everything's cut-and-dried, huh? *Funny* how that happens.

:angel:


Yes, there are many legitimately disabled.

No, I wouldn't even think they haven't earned that.


metalwing's photo
Sun 09/14/14 09:49 AM

if capping income limits createivity and 'job creation',, why is it back in the seventies when the wealthy earned LESS of the money, we had LOWER unemployment

and since the seventies , while their share grew,, unemployment also got larger


lets try paying people decent wages,, that is the difference between the 'taxpayer' and the 'non'.. not morals or productivity, but WAGES, as the tax system is based upon income brackets


lets try creating those jobs that these wealthy allegedly can create more of while their income exponentially grows

lets evolve from our slave worker system that tells people take what we offer you and don't complain and don't be upset that you cant participate and don't matter because you are in the wrong income bracket,,

create the environment where people can earn the income necessary to pay taxes, and the gap wouldn't be so large


as to the sexists who continue to blame women having babies ,, women have been having babies since time began,,, it really cant continue to be the scapegoat for all social problems,,,and BY THE WAY,, none of them have managed to do it without an all too willing man,,,,




There may be some truth in what you say but you seem to be missing the point that it is the women who are collecting most of the checks from the taxpayer for having the children. And after taking responsibility for raising the children, they are not instilling the morals, work ethics, and need for education required by the children they bore.

mrld_ii's photo
Sun 09/14/14 09:54 AM


There may be some truth in what you say but you seem to be missing the point that it is the women who are collecting most of the checks from the taxpayer for having the children. And after taking responsibility for raising the children, they are not instilling the morals, work ethics, and need for education required by the children they bore.


Aside from the infamous Octomom, who gained notoriety FOR her abuses of The System,

how are these poor, welfare-supported moms able to afford the artificial insemination that removes the men-who-impregnated-them's obligation for child support, child rearing, AND "instilling the morals, work ethics, and need for education required by the children they (helped to) bore"?

spock

willing2's photo
Sun 09/14/14 09:58 AM



There may be some truth in what you say but you seem to be missing the point that it is the women who are collecting most of the checks from the taxpayer for having the children. And after taking responsibility for raising the children, they are not instilling the morals, work ethics, and need for education required by the children they bore.


Aside from the infamous Octomom, who gained notoriety FOR her abuses of The System,

how are these poor, welfare-supported moms able to afford the artificial insemination that removes the men-who-impregnated-them's obligation for child support, child rearing, AND "instilling the morals, work ethics, and need for education required by the children they (helped to) bore"?

spock

That what I addressed.
The sperm donor, if they can prove who da baby daddy is, should either be awarded custody, if he is employed or in a position to maintain said child.

If he can't support the kid and his ho, he should be nutted so he can't impregnate others.

The irresponsible breeders need to be stopped.

mrld_ii's photo
Sun 09/14/14 10:05 AM
Interesting. The male sperm donor should be held responsible only AFTER he's been proven - by the female sperm-recipient - that he IS, indeed, the father. Because, as Maury has exposed, WHENEVER there is an out-of-wedlock pregnancy (as well as those withIN a marriage), it is ALWAYS because the woman has had multiple sex partners.

That's it!!! From now, regardless of the circumstances, whenever a woman ends up pregnant, no man need come forth claiming responsibility for their child until AFTER a woman has established that he is, indeed, the father.


By the way, is ruling out 99.9999% of the male population enough to establish that A particular man IS the father,


or does it have to be with 100% assuredness that he is?


Just want to ensure The Rules are straight, here...we can't be unduly burdening men with actually keeping track of where their penises HAVE been at all times, now.

Hell, with some men, they might never have time TO work, what with all the logging-it-down record-keeping they'd have to stay up on...

whoa








willing2's photo
Sun 09/14/14 10:14 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sun 09/14/14 10:26 AM
DNA.
Yeah, I'm aware few have heard of it beings it's a new concept.rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Serverousprime's photo
Sun 09/14/14 11:24 AM
Edited by Serverousprime on Sun 09/14/14 11:26 AM

Seniors earned it.
The disabled can't.

Big freakin' difference between can't and WON"T, no?


So basically, you are saying that everyone should be required to work. The Stistics show that there are a total of aprox 145 million jobs whereas there are aprox 207 million adults between the ages of 18 and 64. this means that there are a total of 62 million people that can't have a job because they LITERALLY DON'T EXIST.

If they can't work because there are no jobs for them they are SOL because of the job market. and since they have no job they can't get help from the government?

B!!! S!!! I'm calling B freakin' S on this. your argument is invalid. they aren't the problem. the fact that there is no job for them is the problem.

Keep in mind I didn't count down for mentally or physically disabled, and nor did I account for illegal immigrants either. I figure those numbers balance each other out to the point of being statistically irrelevant.

metalwing's photo
Sun 09/14/14 11:25 AM



There may be some truth in what you say but you seem to be missing the point that it is the women who are collecting most of the checks from the taxpayer for having the children. And after taking responsibility for raising the children, they are not instilling the morals, work ethics, and need for education required by the children they bore.


Aside from the infamous Octomom, who gained notoriety FOR her abuses of The System,

how are these poor, welfare-supported moms able to afford the artificial insemination that removes the men-who-impregnated-them's obligation for child support, child rearing, AND "instilling the morals, work ethics, and need for education required by the children they (helped to) bore"?

spock


Artificial insemination doesn't do that. However, if having children you can't support and/or raise properly is a problem, birth control solves that problem.

willing2's photo
Sun 09/14/14 11:29 AM


Seniors earned it.
The disabled can't.

Big freakin' difference between can't and WON"T, no?


So basically, you are saying that everyone should be required to work. The Stistics show that there are a total of aprox 145 million jobs whereas there are aprox 207 million adults between the ages of 18 and 64. this means that there are a total of 62 million people that can't have a job because they LITERALLY DON'T EXIST.

If they can't work because there are no jobs for them they are SOL because of the job market. and since they have no job they can't get help from the government?

B!!! S!!! I'm calling B freakin' S on this. your argument is invalid. they aren't the problem. the fact that there is no job for them is the problem.

Keep in mind I didn't count down for mentally or physically disabled, and nor did I account for illegal immigrants either. I figure those numbers balance each other out to the point of being statistically irrelevant.


Another example why weed shouldn't be legal.


Serverousprime's photo
Sun 09/14/14 11:34 AM



Seniors earned it.
The disabled can't.

Big freakin' difference between can't and WON"T, no?


So basically, you are saying that everyone should be required to work. The Stistics show that there are a total of aprox 145 million jobs whereas there are aprox 207 million adults between the ages of 18 and 64. this means that there are a total of 62 million people that can't have a job because they LITERALLY DON'T EXIST.

If they can't work because there are no jobs for them they are SOL because of the job market. and since they have no job they can't get help from the government?

B!!! S!!! I'm calling B freakin' S on this. your argument is invalid. they aren't the problem. the fact that there is no job for them is the problem.

Keep in mind I didn't count down for mentally or physically disabled, and nor did I account for illegal immigrants either. I figure those numbers balance each other out to the point of being statistically irrelevant.


Another example why weed shouldn't be legal.



At least the industry making more jobs. which means less unemployment. So yeah your right about that one. Not that I condone use of weed in any way. I also don't condone the use of caffeine, alcohol, and sugar but that's just for me. you can use what ever you want.

no photo
Sun 09/14/14 12:33 PM
am legally disabled... They have tried to make me a ward of the state for over 20 years...I Have refused all assistance and paid that price...they come after you... Know who your enemies are...

but worked in what is classified as dangerous industries... not supposed to be walking..

am a contractor and can do more with one leg in 4 hours than all of the youngsters service dept. can do in 8... Not even in that dept. but when it comes to crunch time I do it with out being asked...I work with the front office...

Point being the younger generation Is being Culturally marketed to; All in the same manner.

white rockers sex and drugs...

black rappers sex and drugs...

its an age old trick. a trick I tell ya

noticed even there is becoming a violent streak in the female country music industry..

it's done by design... its a fact that there is a bigger picture here..its called the manipulation of young mailable minds to turn them into jelly.

If... If You are Taught no Worky No Eaty from an early age;;; you will never be on assistance...






mrld_ii's photo
Sun 09/14/14 12:47 PM

Artificial insemination doesn't do that. However, if having children you can't support and/or raise properly is a problem, birth control solves that problem.


Agreed.



Why then do so many conservatives fight any and all methods of "birth control", including tax dollars being used to hand out condoms or the education of 'Where Babies Come From' in public schools?


Oh, by the way, what is the legal definition of 'raising a child properly'? Is it simply having enough money to feed and clothe them without taxpayer support or does it include paying for their college education without taxpayer support?

:angel:


mrld_ii's photo
Sun 09/14/14 12:49 PM
Is there some reason why - whenever someone posts even an intelligent reply in rebuttal to some people's opinions - they are automatically labeled a "drug user", along with being "an idiot" and "a libtard"?