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FACT 1.one party was a trained officer who had a suspect resisting arrest, an officer who had previously received an award because he was able to RESTRAIN a suspect in a successful arrest. 2.(alleged, as the cause cant really be proven after the fact) as a result of the resistance the officer had an eye injury 3.one party was a large teen who had resisted arrest 4.the trained officer had a gun 5.the large teen resisting arrest did not 6. the large teen died from a gun shot wound to the TOP OF HIS HEAD those are facts in contention was whether this was justified due to the officer being 'charged at' by the unarmed but LARGE Teen,,, or whether this was unjustified due to the deceased no longer being a threat but instead being a surrendering citizen Fact 1. The officer had record of being a quite peaceful policeman. 2. The 18 y/o man had just robbed a store and assaulted the clerk. 3. The 18 y/o man,6'4, 300 lbs. assaulted the policeman causing serious injury to the officers eye socket. 4. The 18 y/o man attempted to leave the scene after the assault. 5. The 18 y/o man was facing the officer when he was shot his arms were down, not in the air. 6. The officer reacted in self defense and as he was trained to do. 7. The 18 y/o Thug was prevented from causing further harm to the officer or anymore innocent people. 8. Thug thief, high on pot is dead. 9. The neighborhood is a safer place.(except for rioting, stealing and looting) 10. Witnesses statements were not accurate or true. |
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FACT A 6"4" nearly-300-pound adult committed strong-arm robbery shortly before punching a lone police officer in the face, taunting the officer and rushing at the police officer. The claim that the aforementioned adult was not dangerous because he didn't have a weapon is a claim that is incorrect. Also, being that the aforementioned adult had already attacked the police officer once, the officer had just cause to believe that the aforementioned adult was going to attack again. a teen, who was large, had pushed an elderly man while trying to steal cigarretes a teen , who was large, had punched an officer in an attempt to get away a teen, who was large, after successfully placing distance between he and the aforementioned officer, was shot full of bullets , with one directly to his head (at 6'4") being the kill shot whether there should have been a belief that there was DEADLY threat,, is arguable whether there was a situation where the officer was 'charged' is also arguable whether there was a situation where the large teen finally retreated and faced the officer before being shot down is also arguable,,,, |
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FACT 1.one party was a trained officer who had a suspect resisting arrest, an officer who had previously received an award because he was able to RESTRAIN a suspect in a successful arrest. 2.(alleged, as the cause cant really be proven after the fact) as a result of the resistance the officer had an eye injury 3.one party was a large teen who had resisted arrest 4.the trained officer had a gun 5.the large teen resisting arrest did not 6. the large teen died from a gun shot wound to the TOP OF HIS HEAD those are facts in contention was whether this was justified due to the officer being 'charged at' by the unarmed but LARGE Teen,,, or whether this was unjustified due to the deceased no longer being a threat but instead being a surrendering citizen Fact 1. The officer had record of being a quite peaceful policeman. 2. The 18 y/o man had just robbed a store and assaulted the clerk. 3. The 18 y/o man,6'4, 300 lbs. assaulted the policeman causing serious injury to the officers eye socket. 4. The 18 y/o man attempted to leave the scene after the assault. 5. The 18 y/o man was facing the officer when he was shot his arms were down, not in the air. 6. The officer reacted in self defense and as he was trained to do. 7. The 18 y/o Thug was prevented from causing further harm to the officer or anymore innocent people. 8. Thug thief, high on pot is dead. 9. The neighborhood is a safer place.(except for rioting, stealing and looting) 10. Witnesses statements were not accurate or true. number 5 is not a FACT at all,,, number 6 is also not a FACT number 7 is obviously fact, whether someone is a'thug' or not , their death prevents them from doing ANYTHING else,, whether that is harming others, helping others, or growing older,,,, Teen thief having smoked weed is dead 9 is also not a fact, if you include scary people with guns 10 is also partial fact, some statements will be accurate and some will not,,,there have been many |
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nah, no more than a dead chauvinist or bigot makes a great impact on the 'happiness' of the world but perhaps to some of the more heartless of those they annoy or offend , their death wouldn't exactly seem tragic,,,,, Speaking of bigots. The world will be a much better place without the likes of Fairycsn and Notsosharpton. I doubt it, Farrakhan and Sharpton do quite a bit in minority communities to inspire people to do better,,,,,for their family and their community well, maybe for non minorities, it would make it better and give them more excuses to off the minorities out of 'fear' |
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all AL is doing is fanning the flames,thats what he is good at,now my son who is in the NA GUARD has to go put his life on the line BC old AL want to stur up more sheet,we all need to chill out and let the facts lay were thay may,now that we know that mr brown was shot from the front and not in the back as it was reported earlyer,,do we start to protest saying thats revers raceisam? I have believed from the beginning, as with most media reporting, that time is needed to reveal more 'facts' I have believed from the beginning that rioting is defeatist activity. I have also believed that peaceful assembly is a valuable weapon in the arsenal for change. I don't believe in a 'reverse racism' I do believe it is very reasonable for people to become upset (as I do) when an unarmed teen or unarmed non teen is shot dead,,,,by someone paid to protect the community. Please tell me you are not one of those people who believe Blacks can't be racist. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 08/23/14 04:48 AM
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all individuals can have individual racial bigotry
institutions, however, with a majority of a certain group of these individuals will disparately and negatively impact the minority,, however many of them have personal bigotry that is why there are womens rights, not because women cant be sexist individually, but because of the COLLECTIVE impact of sexism amongst those with the wealth and power (who have predominately been MEN) and the disparate and 'oppressive' results of that collective impact against women when we speak about institutional racism, that is what blacks are referring to, not saying that blacks cant AS INDIVIDUALS feel and be racist and 'reverse' racism is just racism, but the fact that it is so historically and legally been against minorities,, it is called 'reverse' (of the norm) when it is by minorities |
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all individuals can have individual racial bigotry institutions, however, with a majority of a certain group of these individuals will disparately and negatively impact the minority,, however many of them have personal bigotry that is why there are womens rights, not because women cant be sexist individually, but because of the COLLECTIVE impact of sexism amongst those with the wealth and power (who have predominately been MEN) and the disparate and 'oppressive' results of that collective impact against women when we speak about institutional racism, that is what blacks are referring to, not saying that blacks cant AS INDIVIDUALS feel and be racist and 'reverse' racism is just racism, but the fact that it is so historically and legally been against minorities,, it is called 'reverse' (of the norm) when it is by minorities It was far from abnormal when i was growing up in a largely Black and Hispanic area. I was subjugated to daily racist attacks and often feared for my life. So when I hear a person say that racism is a white thing it really pisses me off. But as whole I hold no grudges and still base my judgement of a person on there character. But lets not kid ourselves here please, the ball swings both ways. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 08/23/14 07:33 AM
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the individual ball does,, the SYSTEMIC ball does not
if you had been for instance, the only boy in a community of females, they may have treated you adversely or if you had been the only rich person in a community of poor they may have had individual bias against you but as you go out IN THE WORLD< as a part of the MALE Demographic, you will still have the advantage built in systemically from a history where males held the abundance of wealth, power, and authority and adversely the NON MALE Demographic would have a built in disadvantage or EXTRA OBSTACLE as a part of the WEALTHY DEMOGRAPHIC< you would still have the advantage built in systemically from a history that gives the wealthy the power and authority and adversely the IMPOVERISHED demographic would have a built in disadvantage or EXTRA OBSTACLE and those non males and impoverished would be right to be vigilant in keeping an eye on and working to keep those obstacles in check,,, ,,that's the main difference when we talk individual bigotry, its not one sided at all but when we talk SYSTEIC results, its much less diverse,,, |
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Edited by
mysticalview21
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Sat 08/23/14 10:36 AM
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there was one witness that caught a lot of this on her phone and turned over to the police ... wondering if this is going to be acceptable in court ... really can't say what the facts are in this case ... still all speculation ... till I hear come from the district attorney ... but I did hear that most are not happy with the cities police... becouse of other instances that have happened and just let go ... with nothing done ... but it seems they have now rallied to get others to fight the system instead of all the rioting ... but they are trying to get Police Chief Tom Jackson to resign. and a have a large amount of petitions ... an that was terrible that they just let him lay there for hours in the street ... so a little understandably they started rioting ... and took them that long to gather evidence ...wow ...
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 08/23/14 10:42 AM
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great questions mystic
as far as the video, no one has video of the shooting as far as I have heard,, all footage is from after the incident so, it all depends upon if any of the other footage is deemed relevant enough to be entered,, if one can go, they all can go,,,,so to speak I think part of the defense in the public eye is people heard talking on a recording AFTER The incident,, likewise this witness was commenting during her taping,, so if one is admitted, the other probably will be too it is really, in my view, deeper than just this shooting and moreso about the cumulative peak of a long history in this community between the citizens and their local community of government and police authority,,, |
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Things on here are ridiculous... Regardless or not if he was a thug or gangsta, he shouldn't have been shot.. He partly played a part in his death by robbing, but all in all the cops are here to protect and serve, not become judge and executioner, because some punk pissed them off.. he had a mom, better for him to be in jail, then be shot down in the street...
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Edited by
adj4u
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Sat 08/23/14 11:08 AM
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One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.
Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front. Continue reading the main story The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. ...... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0 -------------------------------------------------------- 
---------------------------------------------------------- One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward every one i have seen running their head is leaning forward just a thought |
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Things on here are ridiculous... Regardless or not if he was a thug or gangsta, he shouldn't have been shot.. He partly played a part in his death by robbing, but all in all the cops are here to protect and serve, not become judge and executioner, because some punk pissed them off.. he had a mom, better for him to be in jail, then be shot down in the street... in that case he shouldn't have bashed and injured the Officer! The Officer has the Right to Selfdefense like anyone else! Tell us how you take a raging Bull into Custody? |
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One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said. Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front. Continue reading the main story The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. ...... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0 --------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------- One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward every one i have seen running their head is leaning forward just a thought the Injuries to his Right Arm are also not consistent with the claim that he had his Arms up over his head! |
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One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said. Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front. Continue reading the main story The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. ...... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0 --------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------- One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward every one i have seen running their head is leaning forward just a thought really, that's odd MOST PEOPLE I See running look like this 
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One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said. Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front. Continue reading the main story The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. ...... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0 --------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------- One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward every one i have seen running their head is leaning forward just a thought the Injuries to his Right Arm are also not consistent with the claim that he had his Arms up over his head! but not inconsistent with him RAISING His arms in surrender and/or fearfulness like this 
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Edited by
mysticalview21
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Sat 08/23/14 01:38 PM
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Things on here are ridiculous... Regardless or not if he was a thug or gangsta, he shouldn't have been shot.. He partly played a part in his death by robbing, but all in all the cops are here to protect and serve, not become judge and executioner, because some punk pissed them off.. he had a mom, better for him to be in jail, then be shot down in the street... I heard the robbery part should not come in to play in the trial becouse that is not why the officer stopped him ... I agree with a lot of what your saying but all will come down to if that officers felt he was endanger of his own life ... and how far and wear those bullets where shot ... and i don't see the one shot that was in back of the arm like before ... and if that is right then he had his arms down not up ...took a look at the picture again your right they look like the beginning of his arms going up and really do wish they would teach police other means of taking someone down then just taking their life ... |
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Things on here are ridiculous... Regardless or not if he was a thug or gangsta, he shouldn't have been shot.. He partly played a part in his death by robbing, but all in all the cops are here to protect and serve, not become judge and executioner, because some punk pissed them off.. he had a mom, better for him to be in jail, then be shot down in the street... I heard the robbery part should not come in to play in the trial becouse that is not why the officer stopped him ... I agree with a lot of what your saying but all will come down to if that officers felt he was endanger of his own life ... and how far and wear those bullets where shot ... and i don't see the one shot that was in back of the arm like before ... and if that is right then he had his arms down not up ... and really do wish they would teach police other means of taking someone down then just taking their life ... the above photo is just where bullets entered or exited,, the press conference with the pathologist explained there was a potential graze on the back of the arm which may have been what caused him to turn his arms didn't have to be ALL the way up in the air for him to be attempting to surrender,, they could also have out to his side and up, bent at the elbow,,, as if saying 'I give up' but I likewise wish police were trained in something other than killing and intimidating... |
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Edited by
mysticalview21
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Sat 08/23/14 01:37 PM
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Things on here are ridiculous... Regardless or not if he was a thug or gangsta, he shouldn't have been shot.. He partly played a part in his death by robbing, but all in all the cops are here to protect and serve, not become judge and executioner, because some punk pissed them off.. he had a mom, better for him to be in jail, then be shot down in the street... I heard the robbery part should not come in to play in the trial becouse that is not why the officer stopped him ... I agree with a lot of what your saying but all will come down to if that officers felt he was endanger of his own life ... and how far and wear those bullets where shot ... and i don't see the one shot that was in back of the arm like before ... and if that is right then he had his arms down not up ... and really do wish they would teach police other means of taking someone down then just taking their life ... the above photo is just where bullets entered or exited,, the press conference with the pathologist explained there was a potential graze on the back of the arm which may have been what caused him to turn his arms didn't have to be ALL the way up in the air for him to be attempting to surrender,, they could also have out to his side and up, bent at the elbow,,, as if saying 'I give up' but I likewise wish police were trained in something other than killing and intimidating... now that is what i thought at first there was a shot in the back of his arm thought while running got hit turned around and just pumped shots into him even if his arms where up a little bit they should show damage to the inter arm if raised ... I see no shots to his legs only o the upper body now if some one was coming at me I would think I would shoot their legs to ... to slow them down ... but that is where the distance comes in ... and the knees should show after he dropped did he go down on them as to drop or fall face first no dropping ... there is a lot that goes into these kinds of shootings ... but still agree is there enough evidence to show that the officer was in fear of his life ... that is what it will come down to ... and still agree do you have swat teams come in which are very intimating like they did with raised guns... and now heavy military equipment as if your a terrorist... while they where trying to peaceful protest ... while theft was running a muck in the city ... |
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One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said. Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front. Continue reading the main story The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. ...... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0 --------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------- One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward every one i have seen running their head is leaning forward just a thought really, that's odd MOST PEOPLE I See running look like this
That is running, not CHARGING. Just fyi. If one charges (meaning accelerates at a rapid rate) than physics require you either lean forward or fall over backwards. This is a fact. And just to clarify, the word "threat" implies "deadly threat". There is no "non-deadly threat" in situations such as this. There are only the terms "potential threat" and "threat". Now to the conversation in general, I would like to see the officers shot patterns on a shooting range. The bullets seem to pull to the left. I wonder if this is something he consistently does. It would help determine the body position of Mr. Brown at the time the shots were fired. |
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