Topic: Brown's Autopsy Shows Witness Statements Are Not Accurate
metalwing's photo
Wed 08/20/14 12:08 PM




Uh, Michael Brown was 6'4" and weighed nearly 300 pounds.
So, if he did rush at a average-sized person, then the latter could have been injured.
Indeed, Brown used his size to commit strong-arm robbery, as seen in the following images:





bullets kill big people too,, obviously


and he didn't really use his size, he grabbed the man and tossed him back,,,,,far from rushing him or 'using his size',,had he used his size he may have actually injured the man seriously as that man was pretty small,,,

but that being beside the point,,, tell me how a man rushes somebody with his arms held out like on a crucifix?




notice the ENTRY wound on the palm?


Yes, it shows the hand was not "up in the air" but pointed towards the officer. If it was "up in the air" it would show as a round entry normal to the surface, not a tangent wound as shown.



have a forensic medicine degree we don't know about?...lol

anyway, the relevant information is that it is unlikely this shot happens when CHARGING (with head down) someone, it is possible that it would happen when the palm was up and FACING the shot



Prof. Parcells(pathology assistant) said a wound on Brown’s right arm was “consistent with a witness statement” that Brown was first shot while facing away from Wilson, but he stressed that he and Dr. Baden could not determine conclusively the trajectories of the bullets that hit Brown—or which direction he was moving—when he was shot. The wounds “could be consistent with going forward or going backward,” Dr. Baden said.



that and the often recited information about how BIG the MAN was (6 4 according to some) may be trouble for the officer

because none of the shots were fatal except those to the head, and the fatal shots very probably could have happened when the victim/suspect was in an inferior position to the officer,, ie, down on his knees.


I am waiting for more factual information though. I feel for the officer at this point, because I so far believe he got in a situation where he panicked after an initial confrontation and lost his judgment and composure.


You really shouldn't make up stuff that you don't know anything about. The hand wound is consistent with the hand being "palm down" not "face forward". "Face forward" gives a round hole or a tangent normal to what is shown in the sketch.

In other words, the mark on the sketch indicates that the bullet was traveling in the same direction the thumb is pointing.

Got it?

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/20/14 12:09 PM
yes''


I 'got' that you are not a forensic expert and don't know anymore what the wound means than I do

but there is no ENTRY wound on the back of the hand or the thumb

the only wound is shown on the FRONT of the palm/thumb,,,,,however one cares to explain it,,,

no photo
Wed 08/20/14 01:14 PM
Edited by alleoops on Wed 08/20/14 01:14 PM

yes''


I 'got' that you are not a forensic expert and don't know anymore what the wound means than I do

but there is no ENTRY wound on the back of the hand or the thumb

the only wound is shown on the FRONT of the palm/thumb,,,,,however one cares to explain it,,,


Ms, some times, your defense of the obvious is nauseating. sick

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/20/14 01:15 PM
I don't defend the obvious

I point it out

its obvious no one here is a forensic expert,,, agreed?

no photo
Wed 08/20/14 02:11 PM

I don't defend the obvious

I point it out

its obvious no one here is a forensic expert,,, agreed?

yes, agreed. but stop posting what is not proven just to make a point. It will all come out in the end maybe not he way one wants it to but the best way that it can.

mysticalview21's photo
Wed 08/20/14 03:21 PM
I heard what you heard OP the bullet hit him while his head was down also the ones in the arm thought to be where he had them like surrendering ... I don't know but if that is the case... does not matter he was trying to surrender and he shot him anyway... not good for the cop ... and all the robberies taking place has nothing to do with those protesting ... theses are just people trying to get away with what every and using this as circumstances to do it ...

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 08/20/14 04:11 PM

yes''


I 'got' that you are not a forensic expert and don't know anymore what the wound means than I do

but there is no ENTRY wound on the back of the hand or the thumb

the only wound is shown on the FRONT of the palm/thumb,,,,,however one cares to explain it,,,


If Brown decided to rush the police officer after pretending to surrender, then those bullet wounds would be in the front.

metalwing's photo
Wed 08/20/14 04:33 PM

yes''


I 'got' that you are not a forensic expert and don't know anymore what the wound means than I do

but there is no ENTRY wound on the back of the hand or the thumb

the only wound is shown on the FRONT of the palm/thumb,,,,,however one cares to explain it,,,


It would appear that I know a lot more about the wounds than you do. You can't tell that the bullet in the hand probably is the same bullet that hit the forearm. You don't "get" the shape of the wound in the hand and know what it means.

Any hunter in Texas has spent many hours examining the wounds on deer to locate the bullets (you don't want to bite into them). They make the same shape wounds as shown on the front-back chart. You use the shape of the entry wound to find the bullet. Oval-enlongated entry wounds point directly to where the bullet is going and (obviously) show which way the bullet was coming from.

But just because you don't know anything doesn't mean everyone else knows as little as you.


willing2's photo
Wed 08/20/14 04:44 PM
Anyone else notice the autopsy picture is uncircumcised?

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 08/20/14 06:50 PM

Anyone else notice the autopsy picture is uncircumcised?


I don't focus attention on that part of a man's anatomy. whoa

willing2's photo
Wed 08/20/14 07:15 PM


Anyone else notice the autopsy picture is uncircumcised?


I don't focus attention on that part of a man's anatomy. whoa

Does that mean you didn't look at his pecker?rofl rofl

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/20/14 08:55 PM


I don't defend the obvious

I point it out

its obvious no one here is a forensic expert,,, agreed?

yes, agreed. but stop posting what is not proven just to make a point. It will all come out in the end maybe not he way one wants it to but the best way that it can.


nothing is proven, and similarly, that he may have had his hands up in surrender is not disproved,,,,


msharmony's photo
Wed 08/20/14 08:56 PM


yes''


I 'got' that you are not a forensic expert and don't know anymore what the wound means than I do

but there is no ENTRY wound on the back of the hand or the thumb

the only wound is shown on the FRONT of the palm/thumb,,,,,however one cares to explain it,,,


If Brown decided to rush the police officer after pretending to surrender, then those bullet wounds would be in the front.



that's the thing, isn't it,,,, he was facing him, without a weapon

what he was doing; 'charging' or 'surrendering' is what is in dispute and what the autopsy doesn't clear up much, yet

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/20/14 08:57 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 08/20/14 09:10 PM


yes''


I 'got' that you are not a forensic expert and don't know anymore what the wound means than I do

but there is no ENTRY wound on the back of the hand or the thumb

the only wound is shown on the FRONT of the palm/thumb,,,,,however one cares to explain it,,,


It would appear that I know a lot more about the wounds than you do. You can't tell that the bullet in the hand probably is the same bullet that hit the forearm. You don't "get" the shape of the wound in the hand and know what it means.

Any hunter in Texas has spent many hours examining the wounds on deer to locate the bullets (you don't want to bite into them). They make the same shape wounds as shown on the front-back chart. You use the shape of the entry wound to find the bullet. Oval-enlongated entry wounds point directly to where the bullet is going and (obviously) show which way the bullet was coming from.

But just because you don't know anything doesn't mean everyone else knows as little as you.





have you written autopsy reports about deer? that's interesting,,,


you are right though, I don't know anything about deer autopsies,, I am impressed,,,(not really, just being polite,,lol,, )



no photo
Wed 08/20/14 10:04 PM



Anyone else notice the autopsy picture is uncircumcised?


I don't focus attention on that part of a man's anatomy. whoa

Does that mean you didn't look at his pecker?rofl rofl


rofl He did look..he just won't admit it.rofl

karmafury's photo
Wed 08/20/14 11:04 PM
Edited by karmafury on Wed 08/20/14 11:05 PM
After the shooting in Ferguson, Michael Brown's family hired Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York State Police medical examiner, to conduct a second autopsy, and the federal Department of Justice instructed the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to conduct a third.

What you can tell from a second or third autopsy is limited by autopsy artifact -- changes to the evidence caused by the performance of the first autopsy.

In the course of the first, legally mandated autopsy, the forensic pathologist will have taken the organs out and sliced them apart for examination. The gunshot wounds will have been probed, and sometimes even cut into.
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Already the results of Baden's limited investigation are being used to support the contention that Brown was surrendering, and that the wounds were distant range, even though Baden himself said neither.

To a forensic pathologist, the body diagram Brown's attorneys released tells a different story. The wound at the top of the head, the frontal wounds and angled right hand and arm wounds suggest that the victim was facing the officer, leaning forward with his right arm possibly extended in line with the gun's barrel, and not above his head.

The image of a person standing upright with his hands in the air when he was shot does not appear compatible with the wounds documented on that diagram. Whether a forward-leaning position is a posture of attack or of surrender, however, is a matter of perspective.

From the perspective of a witness, it could appear that the leaning person is complying with the officer and getting down. From the perspective of the officer, he may appear to be coming at him. Partial evidence yields partial answers, and a rush to conclusions based on one isolated set of data from a second autopsy only raises more questions.


Taken from: What Michael Brown's autopsy tells us

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/21/14 06:01 AM
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/18/brown-family-to-hold-press-conference-monday-on-autopsy-findings/


at about 21 minutes Baden starts to speak about the autopsy, for those interested......

and I agree its possible (but I doubt it) that the deceased was 'charging' at the time,,and also possible that the deceased was merely facing an already panicked officer and raising his arms

but both are possible and neither has been disproven,,

no photo
Thu 08/21/14 06:58 AM

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/18/brown-family-to-hold-press-conference-monday-on-autopsy-findings/


at about 21 minutes Baden starts to speak about the autopsy, for those interested......

and I agree its possible (but I doubt it) that the deceased was 'charging' at the time,,and also possible that the deceased was merely facing an already panicked officer and raising his arms

but both are possible and neither has been disproven,,


If were guessing here.... spock
It's possible the street thug had his hands up walking back towards the injured officer. Officer was telling him to get down which is a common command given and street thug refused and continued to approach the officer. Rather than being attacked again the officer shot in self defense as they are trained to do. Four shots to the torso, two the head. Dead street thug.

willing2's photo
Thu 08/21/14 07:09 AM
Certain low life classes will defend gangsters.

Not surprising they want to hang a white cop.

Where are all the rioters, looters and Sharpies in Chicago and Detroit calling for justice?

Don't pay, I guess.

no photo
Thu 08/21/14 07:16 AM

Certain low life classes will defend gangsters.

Not surprising they want to hang a white cop.

Where are all the rioters, looters and Sharpies in Chicago and Detroit calling for justice?

Don't pay, I guess.


I heard that when Jackson went to Ferguson, he made his speach and then tried to raise funds then left. Unsuccessfullaugh