Topic: Brown's Autopsy Shows Witness Statements Are Not Accurate
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Thu 08/21/14 12:27 PM
Edited by alleoops on Thu 08/21/14 12:32 PM


I wouldn't sweat the dead turd.

Ghetto hos be steady pumpin out mo rabid rats who'll take fat boys place today.



I'm not sure what motivates you to make comments like this, but comments like these are why the anti-racist rabble-rousers are able to get so many followers. They paint a picture of white america seeing no value for the lives of black people. They tell their black followers that they need to ally themselves with their particular ideologies or agendas, because of the threat posed by white people, and white culture - and they use comments like this to justify this.

In my view, this person brought their own death on themselves by attacking that officer; I'm not crying over him. But every newborn's life is precious, including the lives of people born into poverty and into a criminal environment. And while he brought his death on himself, his death still causes pain for his friends and his family. No one can replace him for them.


Maybe blacks should cleanup their own behavior and actions first then maybe comments like this wouldn't be made.

do you really believe that whether blacks are 'clean' or not would prevent comments like that about peoples children?



Well, probably not, but the comments would be less accurate.






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Thu 08/21/14 12:29 PM


yep, he pushed the old man in the store,, he didn't try to kill him, and then he left

he punched the officer, and then he tried to get away

why, after actually being SHOT AT, would he charge back, after running ,,,? Makes no sense to me

there was no MO, of returning in the midst of gun fire,,lol,,,

But all the Wounds were in the front!
If he were running away,they'd be in his back!



one of the shots could have grazed him while he ran, according to the news conference

if he hadn't run away, he would still be lying next to the police car

he punched the cop and ran,,,,obvious from where he was found

whats in contention is what he was doing when he was shot

giving up, or 'charging'....

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Thu 08/21/14 12:33 PM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 08/21/14 12:36 PM
No racism at all in my statement.

Ghetto hos and their rats come in all colors.

This one just happens to be black.

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Thu 08/21/14 12:35 PM



yep, he pushed the old man in the store,, he didn't try to kill him, and then he left

he punched the officer, and then he tried to get away

why, after actually being SHOT AT, would he charge back, after running ,,,? Makes no sense to me

there was no MO, of returning in the midst of gun fire,,lol,,,

But all the Wounds were in the front!
If he were running away,they'd be in his back!



one of the shots could have grazed him while he ran, according to the news conference

if he hadn't run away, he would still be lying next to the police car

he punched the cop and ran,,,,obvious from where he was found

whats in contention is what he was doing when he was shot

giving up, or 'charging'....


whats in contention are facts and myths.slaphead

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Thu 08/21/14 12:38 PM
FACT

1.one party was a trained officer who had a suspect resisting arrest, an officer who had previously received an award because he was able to RESTRAIN a suspect in a successful arrest.

2.(alleged, as the cause cant really be proven after the fact)
as a result of the resistance the officer had an eye injury

3.one party was a large teen who had resisted arrest

4.the trained officer had a gun

5.the large teen resisting arrest did not

6. the large teen died from a gun shot wound to the TOP OF HIS HEAD



those are facts

in contention was whether this was justified due to the officer being 'charged at' by the unarmed but LARGE Teen,,,

or whether this was unjustified due to the deceased no longer being a threat but instead being a surrendering citizen

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Thu 08/21/14 01:37 PM
Addedly, the midget the corpse could have hurt very badly, won't have to worry about him strongarm robbing him again.

Making the world a happier and safer place.

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Thu 08/21/14 01:49 PM

FACT



A 6"4" nearly-300-pound adult committed strong-arm robbery shortly before punching a lone police officer in the face, taunting the officer and rushing at the police officer.

The claim that the aforementioned adult was not dangerous because he didn't have a weapon is a claim that is incorrect.

Also, being that the aforementioned adult had already attacked the police officer once, the officer had just cause to believe that the aforementioned adult was going to attack again.

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Thu 08/21/14 01:50 PM
nah, no more than a dead chauvinist or bigot makes a great impact on the 'happiness' of the world


but perhaps to some of the more heartless of those they annoy or offend , their death wouldn't exactly seem tragic,,,,,

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Thu 08/21/14 02:36 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Thu 08/21/14 02:39 PM


yep, he pushed the old man in the store,, he didn't try to kill him, and then he left

he punched the officer, and then he tried to get away

why, after actually being SHOT AT, would he charge back, after running ,,,? Makes no sense to me

there was no MO, of returning in the midst of gun fire,,lol,,,

But all the Wounds were in the front!
If he were running away,they'd be in his back!





not sure about all the wounds being in the front... I thought one was in the back of the arm as if he was running away not sure then turned around ...tried to put hands up but officer started to shoot him ...did he charge the officer not sure ... but the one bullet from the back could have made him turn ... it will be about the distance and the wounds in front and back or all wounds in front ... not sure ... but again why would he charge at the officer ... I don't get that except the only way the officer could say he was threaten and shot him ... they should be able to tell that by the wounds and how they went into his body ... saying anything for sure right now is pure speculation ... may he R.I.P ... and the city has help now for peaceful actions and helping stop the theft ...

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Thu 08/21/14 02:40 PM



yep, he pushed the old man in the store,, he didn't try to kill him, and then he left

he punched the officer, and then he tried to get away

why, after actually being SHOT AT, would he charge back, after running ,,,? Makes no sense to me

there was no MO, of returning in the midst of gun fire,,lol,,,

But all the Wounds were in the front!
If he were running away,they'd be in his back!





not sure about all the wounds being in the front... I thought one was in the back of the arm as if he was running away not sure then turned around ...tried to put hands up but officer started to shoot him ...did he charge the officer not sure ... but the one bullet from the back could have made him turn ... it will be about the distance and the wounds in front and back or all wounds in front ... not sure ... but again why would he charge at the officer ... I don't get that except the only way the officer could say he was threaten and shot him ... they should be able to tell that by the wounds and how they went into his body ... saying anything for sure right now is pure speculation ... may he R.I.P ... and the city has help now for peaceful actions and helping the lauding...

according to the Sketch,all the wounds are in front!
And two of them are inconsistent with the claim that he either had his Hans up,or was on his Knees with his hands up!
Hope there soon will be peace again in that Community,and things goint to turn for the better!

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Thu 08/21/14 03:45 PM
Edited by alleoops on Thu 08/21/14 03:48 PM

FACT

1.one party was a trained officer who had a suspect resisting arrest, an officer who had previously received an award because he was able to RESTRAIN a suspect in a successful arrest.

2.(alleged, as the cause cant really be proven after the fact)
as a result of the resistance the officer had an eye injury

3.one party was a large teen who had resisted arrest

4.the trained officer had a gun

5.the large teen resisting arrest did not

6. the large teen died from a gun shot wound to the TOP OF HIS HEAD



those are facts

in contention was whether this was justified due to the officer being 'charged at' by the unarmed but LARGE Teen,,,

or whether this was unjustified due to the deceased no longer being a threat but instead being a surrendering citizen


Fact
1. The officer had record of being a quite peaceful policeman.
2. The 18 y/o man had just robbed a store and assaulted the clerk.
3. The 18 y/o man,6'4, 300 lbs. assaulted the policeman causing
serious injury to the officers eye socket.
4. The 18 y/o man attempted to leave the scene after the assault.
5. The 18 y/o man was facing the officer when he was shot
his arms were down, not in the air.
6. The officer reacted in self defense and as he was trained to do.
7. The 18 y/o Thug was prevented from causing further harm to the
officer or anymore innocent people.
8. Thug thief, high on pot is dead.
9. The neighborhood is a safer place.(except for rioting, stealing and looting)
10. Witnesses statements were not accurate or true.

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Thu 08/21/14 04:48 PM

nah, no more than a dead chauvinist or bigot makes a great impact on the 'happiness' of the world


but perhaps to some of the more heartless of those they annoy or offend , their death wouldn't exactly seem tragic,,,,,

Speaking of bigots.
The world will be a much better place without the likes of Fairycsn and Notsosharpton.

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Thu 08/21/14 06:19 PM
Edited by massagetrade on Thu 08/21/14 06:42 PM

Maybe blacks should cleanup their own behavior and actions first then maybe comments like this wouldn't be made.


'Blacks' are not one single, unified, centrally controlled Borg collective of people; so I'm not sure what you mean by saying 'blacks' should clean up their behavior. Many, many black people have always behaved well and have nothing to clean up. And many who behaved poorly in the past, have cleaned up their behavior.

I'm all for criticising individuals and well-defined groups that have earned the criticism, but with (oops, edit) 45 million black americans you can't criticize 'blacks' as a whole group without ending up being wrong. Just wrong.

Setting that aside - the comment was basically saying that 'some people's lives are not valuable, because others like them are making lots of babies'. I mean, seriously.

Are you honestly saying that you think its okay to imply that an entire group of people - whether defined by race, or class, or region, or living circumstance, or whatever - that their lives lack value? That its no matter that he's dead, he's 'easily replaced' ?

This kind of thinking is just as responsible for fuelling the race hatred in this country as some of the lies that some of the black activists spread.

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Thu 08/21/14 06:25 PM
Edited by massagetrade on Thu 08/21/14 06:25 PM

No racism at all in my statement.

Ghetto hos and their rats come in all colors.

This one just happens to be black.


Willing, I can easily imagine that you said what you said for shock value. I just don't believe that you mean what you said nor what you implied - that having lots of kids makes it okay for us to devalue the individual lives of a collection of people.


Edit: But I'm concerned about the consequences of that kind of talk. I'm angry at and frustrated with many black leaders and anti-racists activists lately, and angry about the crime in black neighborhoods, and about the distorted ways that some black leaders and media people treat the related issues. But when people make exaggerated statements like that, it just feeds into the agendas of those who feed off of the hatred, and fear, and mistrust.

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Thu 08/21/14 06:32 PM

if he hadn't run away, he would still be lying next to the police car

he punched the cop and ran,,,,obvious from where he was found


Do we know how far he was at the time he was shot? I mean, are we talking 15'? 40'?

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Thu 08/21/14 06:45 PM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 08/21/14 06:47 PM


No racism at all in my statement.

Ghetto hos and their rats come in all colors.

This one just happens to be black.


Willing, I can easily imagine that you said what you said for shock value. I just don't believe that you mean what you said nor what you implied - that having lots of kids makes it okay for us to devalue the individual lives of a collection of people.


Edit: But I'm concerned about the consequences of that kind of talk. I'm angry at and frustrated with many black leaders and anti-racists activists lately, and angry about the crime in black neighborhoods, and about the distorted ways that some black leaders and media people treat the related issues. But when people make exaggerated statements like that, it just feeds into the agendas of those who feed off of the hatred, and fear, and mistrust.

If I had said that about a white dead thug, nothing would be said about it.

Alleging I am white, my statement is wrongly perceived as bigoted or racist.

The idiot chose to steal. He chose to manhandle a midget. He chose to assault a cop.

He not only had no value for the live4s or well being of others, hw had no value for his own life.

Why should we place a value on his?

Banger deserved what he asked for.

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Thu 08/21/14 07:38 PM
He not only had no value for the live4s or well being of others, hw had no value for his own life.

Why should we place a value on his?


Because we should do the right thing even if others are doing the wrong thing.

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Thu 08/21/14 07:43 PM

He not only had no value for the live4s or well being of others, hw had no value for his own life.

Why should we place a value on his?


Because we should do the right thing even if others are doing the wrong thing.

I am doing the right thing.

Are you?


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Thu 08/21/14 08:04 PM
Edited by massagetrade on Thu 08/21/14 08:05 PM



No racism at all in my statement.
Ghetto hos and their rats come in all colors.
This one just happens to be black.


Willing, I can easily imagine that you said what you said for shock value. I just don't believe that you mean what you said nor what you implied - that having lots of kids makes it okay for us to devalue the individual lives of a collection of people.


Edit: But I'm concerned about the consequences of that kind of talk. I'm angry at and frustrated with many black leaders and anti-racists activists lately, and angry about the crime in black neighborhoods, and about the distorted ways that some black leaders and media people treat the related issues. But when people make exaggerated statements like that, it just feeds into the agendas of those who feed off of the hatred, and fear, and mistrust.



If I had said that about a white dead thug, nothing would be said about it.


If we were talking about a dead white person, and you said "I wouldn't sweat the dead turd. ghetto hos be steady pumpin out mo rabid rats who'll take fat boys place today." or anything similar, most people would recognize this as a hurtful thing to say; a thing that encourages people to hate other groups.

Race need not apply, there is some *group* which is described to be 'pumpin out mo rabit rats', so its still devaluing the lives of a group of people.


Alleging I am white, my statement is wrongly perceived as bigoted or racist.


Well I remembered how you explained your use of the word feral, when I asked you about it a long time ago; so I figured you didn't see this as a racist thing to say, but that doesn't change how its perceived.

The idiot chose to steal. He chose to manhandle a midget. He chose to assault a cop.

He not only had no value for the live4s or well being of others, hw had no value for his own life.

Why should we place a value on his?

Banger deserved what he asked for.


That's different. I'm not crying over this *******. Being comfortable with his death because of his hateful actions is totally different than suggesting we be comfortable with the deaths in a group cause they have lots of kids. Again, I just don't believe that you meant that and I'm not trying to belabor it, but since you seem to be defending it...

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Thu 08/21/14 09:51 PM


if he hadn't run away, he would still be lying next to the police car

he punched the cop and ran,,,,obvious from where he was found


Do we know how far he was at the time he was shot? I mean, are we talking 15'? 40'?


To the best of my knowledge that information hasn't been released yet. Estimates can be made from the amount of gunpowder residue on Brown's body and clothing. The gunpowder measure obviously only works for fairly close ranges. The fact that multiple shots were fired at different ranges complicates things even more. A progression of powder residues would indicate a moving target, either towards or away from the gun.

If for example the gunshot wound to the skull had a lot of powder, it would indicate the wound was close to the gun when fired. If the hand and arm wounds show little powder, it would indicate the gun was proportionately farther away. Testimony would tell which shots were fired first although it should be pretty obvious the bullet that went into the skull was the last.