Topic: Developing: Shootout at Naval Shipyard
willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 12:16 PM
Oh yea armed people never save the day that is the fact of the matter. Presidents have been shot and killed while surrounded by armed individuals.

Buy into the gun lobby's crap so they can get richer....

Meanwhile as before no gun toter will ever save the day and we will be shot down by self proclaimed armed good guys daily.....

msharmony's photo
Tue 09/17/13 12:20 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 09/17/13 12:21 PM

Oh yea armed people never save the day that is the fact of the matter. Presidents have been shot and killed while surrounded by armed individuals.

Buy into the gun lobby's crap so they can get richer....

Meanwhile as before no gun toter will ever save the day and we will be shot down by self proclaimed armed good guys daily.....


never say never, it does happen actually

but rarely (notice, rarely, is not the same as never..lol) in the midst of panic and chaos ,and rarely just an average untrained gun toting joe,,,

in this case though, even dozens of trained officers took almost thirty minutes to actually take him down,, Im not thinking the civilian would have fared much better,, though many would like to think they could...

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Tue 09/17/13 12:40 PM

Oh yea armed people never save the day that is the fact of the matter. Presidents have been shot and killed while surrounded by armed individuals.

Buy into the gun lobby's crap so they can get richer....

Meanwhile as before no gun toter will ever save the day and we will be shot down by self proclaimed armed good guys daily.....




A resident told police he was upstairs around 2 p.m. when he heard three men kick in the front door and enter his home. The intruders attacked there evident and placed him in an upstairs closet while they ransacked the home. What the intruders didn't know was that particular closet was where the resident kept his gun. When he thought the intruders were gone, the resident left the closet armed with that firearm. Downstairs, he encountered one of the men and the two exchanged gunfire. The intruder was struck in the shoulder and leg. He fled, but collapsed a few blocks away. The other two intruders fled as well. The resident was not injured. A neighbor commented on the incident, saying, "What happened today is exactly what guns are supposed to do--to protect your home and defend your life and your family." (Houston Chronicle, Houston, TX, 5/15/13)

Two men attempted to force their way into a home at about 12:10 a.m., according to Knoxville Police Department Sgt. Jason Keck. The 51-year-old homeowner said she got her shotgun and fired a round into the front door, apparently not striking anyone but ending the invasion. The woman told police she had been outside with family members when the two men approached her home. She and her family went inside, and the men came and asked to use the phone. When she told them she didn't have one they began trying to force their way in, which is when she got her shotgun and fired. (Knoxville News Sentinel, Knoxville, TN, 6/6/13)

From The Armed Citizen Archives
August 1971: When two ex-convicts forced their way into the home of Roy Ambrosen of Pacifica, Calif., the homeowner tried to shove them out, but one of the men drew a knife and cut Ambrosen on the hand. Ambrosen's wife got a gun and gave it to him, whereupon the two men fled. The two were later arrested by police. (Pacifica Tribune, Pacifica, Calif.)

Jimmy Foster was returning home when he found multiple suspects loading his property into a car outside. After Foster exited his vehicle, the burglars got in their car and rammed Foster's vehicle before driving toward him. Foster fired several shots at the vehicle striking one of the tires and causing the burglars to flee. Police were called and a search involving K-9 units and a helicopter led to the arrest of the three burglars. Foster was reportedly not injured during the burglary. (News Sentinel, Clinton, TN, 4/10/13)

A pregnant Texas woman, who claims to have been anti-gun before the incident, was home alone when she heard someone banging loudly on her front door. She didn't answer the door. While the first suspect was banging on the front door a second was breaking in through the back door. The woman grabbed her husband's .40 S&W handgun and called 911. When the intruders saw she was armed they fled to their car. The woman opened fire on the truck as they were getting in. The suspects were arrested in a nearby home after a standoff with police. (Gunssavelives.net, Palmview, TX, 9/10/13)

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Plenty more examples here.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/article_list_tag.php?tag_id=6921

Never say never. Being armed saves lives.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/17/13 12:46 PM

Oh yea armed people never save the day that is the fact of the matter. Presidents have been shot and killed while surrounded by armed individuals.

Buy into the gun lobby's crap so they can get richer....

Meanwhile as before no gun toter will ever save the day and we will be shot down by self proclaimed armed good guys daily.....
asleep

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:11 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 09/17/13 01:19 PM

Oh yea armed people never save the day that is the fact of the matter. Presidents have been shot and killed while surrounded by armed individuals.

Buy into the gun lobby's crap so they can get richer....

Meanwhile as before no gun toter will ever save the day and we will be shot down by self proclaimed armed good guys daily.....


That as usual is another bunch of your typical BS!

Try backing it up with facts

FAIL!

Twelve died today because they were stripped of their right to defend themselves in D.C.

Gun free zones are criminal freefire zones!

willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:25 PM


Oh yea armed people never save the day that is the fact of the matter. Presidents have been shot and killed while surrounded by armed individuals.

Buy into the gun lobby's crap so they can get richer....

Meanwhile as before no gun toter will ever save the day and we will be shot down by self proclaimed armed good guys daily.....




A resident told police he was upstairs around 2 p.m. when he heard three men kick in the front door and enter his home. The intruders attacked there evident and placed him in an upstairs closet while they ransacked the home. What the intruders didn't know was that particular closet was where the resident kept his gun. When he thought the intruders were gone, the resident left the closet armed with that firearm. Downstairs, he encountered one of the men and the two exchanged gunfire. The intruder was struck in the shoulder and leg. He fled, but collapsed a few blocks away. The other two intruders fled as well. The resident was not injured. A neighbor commented on the incident, saying, "What happened today is exactly what guns are supposed to do--to protect your home and defend your life and your family." (Houston Chronicle, Houston, TX, 5/15/13)

Two men attempted to force their way into a home at about 12:10 a.m., according to Knoxville Police Department Sgt. Jason Keck. The 51-year-old homeowner said she got her shotgun and fired a round into the front door, apparently not striking anyone but ending the invasion. The woman told police she had been outside with family members when the two men approached her home. She and her family went inside, and the men came and asked to use the phone. When she told them she didn't have one they began trying to force their way in, which is when she got her shotgun and fired. (Knoxville News Sentinel, Knoxville, TN, 6/6/13)

From The Armed Citizen Archives
August 1971: When two ex-convicts forced their way into the home of Roy Ambrosen of Pacifica, Calif., the homeowner tried to shove them out, but one of the men drew a knife and cut Ambrosen on the hand. Ambrosen's wife got a gun and gave it to him, whereupon the two men fled. The two were later arrested by police. (Pacifica Tribune, Pacifica, Calif.)

Jimmy Foster was returning home when he found multiple suspects loading his property into a car outside. After Foster exited his vehicle, the burglars got in their car and rammed Foster's vehicle before driving toward him. Foster fired several shots at the vehicle striking one of the tires and causing the burglars to flee. Police were called and a search involving K-9 units and a helicopter led to the arrest of the three burglars. Foster was reportedly not injured during the burglary. (News Sentinel, Clinton, TN, 4/10/13)

A pregnant Texas woman, who claims to have been anti-gun before the incident, was home alone when she heard someone banging loudly on her front door. She didn't answer the door. While the first suspect was banging on the front door a second was breaking in through the back door. The woman grabbed her husband's .40 S&W handgun and called 911. When the intruders saw she was armed they fled to their car. The woman opened fire on the truck as they were getting in. The suspects were arrested in a nearby home after a standoff with police. (Gunssavelives.net, Palmview, TX, 9/10/13)

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Plenty more examples here.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/article_list_tag.php?tag_id=6921

Never say never. Being armed saves lives.


Ok I will concede almost never.

But I never buy anything from the gun lobby like this crap is.

Crap from the NRA is just that crap.

No good for ya, sell lotsa guns crap for ya

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:30 PM



Oh yea armed people never save the day that is the fact of the matter. Presidents have been shot and killed while surrounded by armed individuals.

Buy into the gun lobby's crap so they can get richer....

Meanwhile as before no gun toter will ever save the day and we will be shot down by self proclaimed armed good guys daily.....




A resident told police he was upstairs around 2 p.m. when he heard three men kick in the front door and enter his home. The intruders attacked there evident and placed him in an upstairs closet while they ransacked the home. What the intruders didn't know was that particular closet was where the resident kept his gun. When he thought the intruders were gone, the resident left the closet armed with that firearm. Downstairs, he encountered one of the men and the two exchanged gunfire. The intruder was struck in the shoulder and leg. He fled, but collapsed a few blocks away. The other two intruders fled as well. The resident was not injured. A neighbor commented on the incident, saying, "What happened today is exactly what guns are supposed to do--to protect your home and defend your life and your family." (Houston Chronicle, Houston, TX, 5/15/13)

Two men attempted to force their way into a home at about 12:10 a.m., according to Knoxville Police Department Sgt. Jason Keck. The 51-year-old homeowner said she got her shotgun and fired a round into the front door, apparently not striking anyone but ending the invasion. The woman told police she had been outside with family members when the two men approached her home. She and her family went inside, and the men came and asked to use the phone. When she told them she didn't have one they began trying to force their way in, which is when she got her shotgun and fired. (Knoxville News Sentinel, Knoxville, TN, 6/6/13)

From The Armed Citizen Archives
August 1971: When two ex-convicts forced their way into the home of Roy Ambrosen of Pacifica, Calif., the homeowner tried to shove them out, but one of the men drew a knife and cut Ambrosen on the hand. Ambrosen's wife got a gun and gave it to him, whereupon the two men fled. The two were later arrested by police. (Pacifica Tribune, Pacifica, Calif.)

Jimmy Foster was returning home when he found multiple suspects loading his property into a car outside. After Foster exited his vehicle, the burglars got in their car and rammed Foster's vehicle before driving toward him. Foster fired several shots at the vehicle striking one of the tires and causing the burglars to flee. Police were called and a search involving K-9 units and a helicopter led to the arrest of the three burglars. Foster was reportedly not injured during the burglary. (News Sentinel, Clinton, TN, 4/10/13)

A pregnant Texas woman, who claims to have been anti-gun before the incident, was home alone when she heard someone banging loudly on her front door. She didn't answer the door. While the first suspect was banging on the front door a second was breaking in through the back door. The woman grabbed her husband's .40 S&W handgun and called 911. When the intruders saw she was armed they fled to their car. The woman opened fire on the truck as they were getting in. The suspects were arrested in a nearby home after a standoff with police. (Gunssavelives.net, Palmview, TX, 9/10/13)

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Plenty more examples here.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/article_list_tag.php?tag_id=6921

Never say never. Being armed saves lives.


Ok I will concede almost never.

But I never buy anything from the gun lobby like this crap is.

Crap from the NRA is just that crap.

No good for ya, sell lotsa guns crap for ya
love your argument,well,it's so argumentative and non-factual!laugh

willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:35 PM
Edited by willowdraga on Tue 09/17/13 01:35 PM
Factually speaking more guns equals more murders.
Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes
Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :)
Ect....
Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day.

Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic.

TJN's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:41 PM

Factually speaking more guns equals more murders.
Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes
Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :)
Ect....
Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day.

Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic.

Is that how it works? You keep saying factually over and over and it will become the truth?
Any factual statistics to back up your claims?

willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:45 PM


Factually speaking more guns equals more murders.
Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes
Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :)
Ect....
Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day.

Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic.

Is that how it works? You keep saying factually over and over and it will become the truth?
Any factual statistics to back up your claims?


I have already done it on here so many times. You do realize my old name is Dragoness right?

The facts are there.

I am not the NRA, I am not trying to sell you nothin.

willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:46 PM
I pity gun toters. They are so full of fear that they think they need the gun and the NRA feeds that fear and makes butt loads off of it.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:49 PM

Factually speaking more guns equals more murders.
Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes
Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :)
Ect....
Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day.

Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic.
Malarkey!
Ever owned a Firearm,or had some training on it?

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional
maturity." attributed to Sigmund Freud

Repeating that Obama-Gungrabber-Mantra really doesn't convey one Fact!
It only shows how bankrupt the Liberals really are in a certain Department!


Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:50 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 09/17/13 01:51 PM

I pity gun toters. They are so full of fear that they think they need the gun and the NRA feeds that fear and makes butt loads off of it.
more "Factz" from the Liberal's Grab-Bag?laugh
Love the way you're trying to shut this Thread down!laugh

willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:51 PM


Factually speaking more guns equals more murders.
Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes
Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :)
Ect....
Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day.

Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic.
Malarkey!
Ever owned a Firearm,or had some training on it?

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional
maturity." attributed to Sigmund Freud

Repeating that Obama-Gungrabber-Mantra really doesn't convey one Fact!
It only shows how bankrupt the Liberals really are in a certain Department!




Why would I fear a gun? I was raised with them. Shoot not to bad. Clean em and shine em up good.

Stop buying the Nra money grab outta your pocket man

GYs41's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:52 PM
I truly love how someone can say with a straight face that she pities gun owners. When obama's policiies bring anarchy, let's see what she does to protect herself. What? Oh, yeah, she'll use her witty and edgy personality. Pathetic. G.

willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 01:55 PM


I pity gun toters. They are so full of fear that they think they need the gun and the NRA feeds that fear and makes butt loads off of it.
more "Factz" from the Liberal's Grab-Bag?laugh
Love the way you're trying to shut this Thread down!laugh


Good come back :thumbsup: slaphead whoa

Not.shades

willing2's photo
Tue 09/17/13 02:00 PM
You do realize my old name is Dragoness right?


Tha supposed to send a wave of fear through the masses?laugh laugh laugh :wink:

willowdraga's photo
Tue 09/17/13 02:02 PM

You do realize my old name is Dragoness right?


Tha supposed to send a wave of fear through the masses?laugh laugh laugh :wink:


No make me not have to restate my position or reverify everything again.

msharmony's photo
Tue 09/17/13 02:28 PM
Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues.

Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 09/17/13 02:35 PM

Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues.

Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings
yeah,good old Mother Jones!

Not the Safest,but the one where they could inflict the greatest Casualties!