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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Is that how it works? You keep saying factually over and over and it will become the truth? Any factual statistics to back up your claims? I have already done it on here so many times. You do realize my old name is Dragoness right? The facts are there. I am not the NRA, I am not trying to sell you nothin. Your "facts" are there somewhere. I'm a "gun toter" and I do it legally. When I carry its because I want to not because I'm afraid. I'm not a member of the NRA so I'm buying nothing from them. On the contrary you are trying to sell the banning of guns and will use your "facts" that are somewhere on this site you've posted in the past to support what you believe even if your "facts" aren't true. |
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So once again our 24/7 national surveillance police state failed yet again to stop a horrific incident.............I want my money and my freedoms back.
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Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings So 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Should we focus more on criminals getting guns illegally and being slapped on the wrist when arrested for gun violence? Just to get out and committ violent crimes with guns? Out of the 62 how many legally owned guns? Out of the over 11,000 how many legally owned guns? |
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Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings So 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Should we focus more on criminals getting guns illegally and being slapped on the wrist when arrested for gun violence? Just to get out and committ violent crimes with guns? Out of the 62 how many legally owned guns? Out of the over 11,000 how many legally owned guns? since you ask from the same piece above 'Nearly 80 percent of the mass shooters we documented obtained their weapons legally' ,,bringing it back , in my opinion, to the point of not EVERY AMERICAN needing or deserving or obtaining a weapon the paranoid and mentally unstable amongst those that should have some restriction,,, |
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Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings So 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Should we focus more on criminals getting guns illegally and being slapped on the wrist when arrested for gun violence? Just to get out and committ violent crimes with guns? Out of the 62 how many legally owned guns? Out of the over 11,000 how many legally owned guns? since you ask from the same piece above 'Nearly 80 percent of the mass shooters we documented obtained their weapons legally' ,,bringing it back , in my opinion, to the point of not EVERY AMERICAN needing or deserving or obtaining a weapon the paranoid and mentally unstable amongst those that should have some restriction,,, I think we all agree people with mental health issues shouldn't own a gun. Yet our government does nothing about it. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Why are they not glamorized like the mass shootings are? Murder is murder wether its 1 or 12. Yet government uses the mass murders to push an agenda of gun control. |
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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Factually speaking .... the town of Kennsaw GA can give you the facts about more guns equals more murders. http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm [EDIT] And because my previous post came from an NRA site means nothing. The stories are originally printed in local papers. American Rifleman simply uses them to show that guns in the hands of the 'average joe' can and do stop criminals. |
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Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings So 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Should we focus more on criminals getting guns illegally and being slapped on the wrist when arrested for gun violence? Just to get out and committ violent crimes with guns? Out of the 62 how many legally owned guns? Out of the over 11,000 how many legally owned guns? since you ask from the same piece above 'Nearly 80 percent of the mass shooters we documented obtained their weapons legally' ,,bringing it back , in my opinion, to the point of not EVERY AMERICAN needing or deserving or obtaining a weapon the paranoid and mentally unstable amongst those that should have some restriction,,, I think we all agree people with mental health issues shouldn't own a gun. Yet our government does nothing about it. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Why are they not glamorized like the mass shootings are? Murder is murder wether its 1 or 12. Yet government uses the mass murders to push an agenda of gun control. I think we all agree people with mental health issues shouldn't own a gun. The only problem with this statement is who determines what "mental health issues" restricting gun ownership are. Do people with insomnia who see a shrink fall into that category? Returning vets? Victims or offenders of domestic violence (regardless of how minor)? Accident victims? Victims of violent crimes? Young adults with childhood problems? The problem is about 60% of Americans seek help for some type of issue or another for which they are prescribed drugs that would qualify them for denial in language typical of most gov't mandates. By trying to solve one problem you create another as gov't has shown their enept ability to do just that time and again! When the gov't gets involved in anything, it turns into an albatross or goes to hell, or morphs into something worse than the problem they are seeking to fix. I don't need the gov't to tell me what's right or wrong, how to raise my kids, when and where I can't go, who I have the right to talk to and what I can say. I'm not religious, but the golden rule and the 10 commandments (simple logics), along with an adherence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights (simple yet monumental documents!), should be all anyone ever needs. There will ALWAYS be crime and criminals! Restricting the general law abiding public of the rights will never change that....EVER! |
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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Factually speaking .... the town of Kennsaw GA can give you the facts about more guns equals more murders. [EDIT] And because my previous post came from an NRA site means nothing. The stories are originally printed in local papers. American Rifleman simply uses them to show that guns in the hands of the 'average joe' can and do stop criminals. Crap from pro gun toting sites is just that fearmongering crap. ooooo BE SCARED SOME IS COMING TO GET YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUN AWAYoooooooo 
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Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings So 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Should we focus more on criminals getting guns illegally and being slapped on the wrist when arrested for gun violence? Just to get out and committ violent crimes with guns? Out of the 62 how many legally owned guns? Out of the over 11,000 how many legally owned guns? since you ask from the same piece above 'Nearly 80 percent of the mass shooters we documented obtained their weapons legally' ,,bringing it back , in my opinion, to the point of not EVERY AMERICAN needing or deserving or obtaining a weapon the paranoid and mentally unstable amongst those that should have some restriction,,, I think we all agree people with mental health issues shouldn't own a gun. Yet our government does nothing about it. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Why are they not glamorized like the mass shootings are? Murder is murder wether its 1 or 12. Yet government uses the mass murders to push an agenda of gun control. Be correct now. The government pushes no such thing. The government has no opinion really. People like me push for gun control. People like me pass laws. People like me are your worst nightmare on this issue because we have the facts to back us. |
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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Factually speaking .... the town of Kennsaw GA can give you the facts about more guns equals more murders. [EDIT] And because my previous post came from an NRA site means nothing. The stories are originally printed in local papers. American Rifleman simply uses them to show that guns in the hands of the 'average joe' can and do stop criminals. Crap from pro gun toting sites is just that fearmongering crap. ooooo BE SCARED SOME IS COMING TO GET YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUN AWAYoooooooo "Gun toters" are not scared....they are prepared! Even to defend people like you who want to take their rights away through ignorance making them victims like the 18 who died today! |
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Interesting, back in March of this year Admiral Bill French warned that base Security would be drastically reduced due to Obama's budget sequester! Obama is partly to blame here! didn't you say YOU had free run of the place yourself,,,was that during OBamas presidency? my brother is military,,he said the naval shipyard has been mostly civilian for quite a while without very stringent 'security' Nope, Clintons. |
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547 dead, 476 hurt in 78 mass shootings since 1983
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/547-dead-476-hurt-mass-shootings-since-1983-182605303--politics.html Congressional Research Service http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43004.pdf Why is such a big deal made over what about .1% of the murders in the US? What about the rest of them? |
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Interesting, back in March of this year Admiral Bill French warned that base Security would be drastically reduced due to Obama's budget sequester! Obama is partly to blame here! didn't you say YOU had free run of the place yourself,,,was that during OBamas presidency? my brother is military,,he said the naval shipyard has been mostly civilian for quite a while without very stringent 'security' That's not true with a large NCIS branch based out of there. |
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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Factually speaking .... the town of Kennsaw GA can give you the facts about more guns equals more murders. [EDIT] And because my previous post came from an NRA site means nothing. The stories are originally printed in local papers. American Rifleman simply uses them to show that guns in the hands of the 'average joe' can and do stop criminals. Crap from pro gun toting sites is just that fearmongering crap. ooooo BE SCARED SOME IS COMING TO GET YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUN AWAYoooooooo So the facts from Kennesaw GA are fear mongering? The are proven results. Guns in the hands of responsible people can and do stop crime. |
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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Factually speaking .... the town of Kennsaw GA can give you the facts about more guns equals more murders. [EDIT] And because my previous post came from an NRA site means nothing. The stories are originally printed in local papers. American Rifleman simply uses them to show that guns in the hands of the 'average joe' can and do stop criminals. Crap from pro gun toting sites is just that fearmongering crap. ooooo BE SCARED SOME IS COMING TO GET YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUN AWAYoooooooo "Gun toters" are not scared....they are prepared! Even to defend people like you who want to take their rights away through ignorance Yea prepared to kill their family when they are depressed. Prepared to kill those people at work that piss them off. Prepared to Kill those at the school down the street because they get an idea in their head that it is the "good guy" thing to do. Prepared to look foolish talking about how their little pea shooter is gonna take on the goverment  Yea prepared to leaved the gun down so the their son shoots their sister, neighbor, stranger... Prepared to have the gun so they can intimidate that damn liberal guy down the street with the Obama sticker on his car while he is drunk It goes on and on None of which is a good guy thing |
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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Factually speaking .... the town of Kennsaw GA can give you the facts about more guns equals more murders. [EDIT] And because my previous post came from an NRA site means nothing. The stories are originally printed in local papers. American Rifleman simply uses them to show that guns in the hands of the 'average joe' can and do stop criminals. Crap from pro gun toting sites is just that fearmongering crap. ooooo BE SCARED SOME IS COMING TO GET YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUN AWAYoooooooo So the facts from Kennesaw GA are fear mongering? The are proven results. Guns in the hands of responsible people can and do stop crime. Yup and most likely false. |
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Interesting, back in March of this year Admiral Bill French warned that base Security would be drastically reduced due to Obama's budget sequester! Obama is partly to blame here! This has as much truth to it as the Titanic being President Obama's fault  The Looney Left will defend him to the end. |
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547 dead, 476 hurt in 78 mass shootings since 1983 http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/547-dead-476-hurt-mass-shootings-since-1983-182605303--politics.html Congressional Research Service http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43004.pdf Yep, only 300,300,000 to go 
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Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings So 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Should we focus more on criminals getting guns illegally and being slapped on the wrist when arrested for gun violence? Just to get out and committ violent crimes with guns? Out of the 62 how many legally owned guns? Out of the over 11,000 how many legally owned guns? since you ask from the same piece above 'Nearly 80 percent of the mass shooters we documented obtained their weapons legally' ,,bringing it back , in my opinion, to the point of not EVERY AMERICAN needing or deserving or obtaining a weapon the paranoid and mentally unstable amongst those that should have some restriction,,, I think we all agree people with mental health issues shouldn't own a gun. Yet our government does nothing about it. What about the over 11,000 murders every year? Why are they not glamorized like the mass shootings are? Murder is murder wether its 1 or 12. Yet government uses the mass murders to push an agenda of gun control. I think we all agree people with mental health issues shouldn't own a gun. The only problem with this statement is who determines what "mental health issues" restricting gun ownership are. Do people with insomnia who see a shrink fall into that category? Returning vets? Victims or offenders of domestic violence (regardless of how minor)? Accident victims? Victims of violent crimes? Young adults with childhood problems? The problem is about 60% of Americans seek help for some type of issue or another for which they are prescribed drugs that would qualify them for denial in language typical of most gov't mandates. By trying to solve one problem you create another as gov't has shown their enept ability to do just that time and again! When the gov't gets involved in anything, it turns into an albatross or goes to hell, or morphs into something worse than the problem they are seeking to fix. I don't need the gov't to tell me what's right or wrong, how to raise my kids, when and where I can't go, who I have the right to talk to and what I can say. I'm not religious, but the golden rule and the 10 commandments (simple logics), along with an adherence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights (simple yet monumental documents!), should be all anyone ever needs. There will ALWAYS be crime and criminals! Restricting the general law abiding public of the rights will never change that....EVER! I agree where is the line drawn and who decides. This guy in the Naval yard should have never been able to buy a gun with his record. |
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Factually speaking more guns equals more murders. Factually speaking a gun present means more women and children die in family disputes Factually speaking more guns equal more gun accidents :) Ect.... Factually speaking guns have been present at mass shootings and the gun toter did not save the day. Fearful gun toters are not good guys. They are full of fear so badly they need to have a gun so they are a bit neurotic. Factually speaking .... the town of Kennsaw GA can give you the facts about more guns equals more murders. [EDIT] And because my previous post came from an NRA site means nothing. The stories are originally printed in local papers. American Rifleman simply uses them to show that guns in the hands of the 'average joe' can and do stop criminals. Crap from pro gun toting sites is just that fearmongering crap. ooooo BE SCARED SOME IS COMING TO GET YOU AND TAKE YOUR GUN AWAYoooooooo "Gun toters" are not scared....they are prepared! Even to defend people like you who want to take their rights away through ignorance Yea prepared to kill their family when they are depressed. Prepared to kill those people at work that piss them off. Prepared to Kill those at the school down the street because they get an idea in their head that it is the "good guy" thing to do. Prepared to look foolish talking about how their little pea shooter is gonna take on the goverment Yea prepared to leaved the gun down so the their son shoots their sister, neighbor, stranger... Prepared to have the gun so they can intimidate that damn liberal guy down the street with the Obama sticker on his car while he is drunk It goes on and on None of which is a good guy thing That is the most non accurate piece of garbage I have ever seen!
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