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Topic: Religion as a Mental Illness
singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 06/19/13 09:53 AM Edited by singmesweet on Wed 06/19/13 09:54 AM
nothing is 'always' necessary, each family and each child is unique physical discipline works in millions of homes and always has/will to equate it to some mental illness is pretty insulting to all those families who use it as part of the culture I do think it's pretty disturbing to believe that you must hit a child to get them to behave.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 06/19/13 09:55 AM
yep, and Im glad I did,,,, stopping and beating and harassing young blacks was not uncommon when I grew up,,,,my brothers were spared that harsh reality by having discipline starting AT HOME, instead of having a false belief that they should do whatever they want with some light consequence of a few moments in a corner, or a privilege being taken away ,,trust, BALANCE is the key, an off balance home is an abusive one but one with support and discipline, with CLEARLY defined boundaries and consequences,, did alot to prepare me for the real world of choice and consequence,, and I am glad I grew up in the household which I did,,,,, its what worked for ME and millions of others like me if it wouldnt work for you,, thats fine,,,but I wouldnt thumb my nose at it (if thats the intent) I'm not saying children don't need discipline. I'm saying that physical discipline isn't always necessary. When growing up, I never believed that I could do whatever I wanted with no consequences. But, I was not scared into doing things a certain way by the fear of being hit. I was taught how to behave well and never needed to be hit. If a parent needs to scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. It's not about "scaring" the child. It's about teaching them there is a consequence for one's actions. Not a spanking isn't the answer for every punishment. But is it really a punishment say grounding the child? Yeah, so they can't go anywhere for a time being, but that gives them entire opportunity and reason to sit in their room and play video games, or watch TV or whatever may be the case. Sure, it's about scaring the child. It's also about parents who can't think of other ways to raise their children. Some of us were never hit as children and turned out just fine. I'm sorry that wasn't the case for many.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/19/13 09:59 AM
yep, and Im glad I did,,,, stopping and beating and harassing young blacks was not uncommon when I grew up,,,,my brothers were spared that harsh reality by having discipline starting AT HOME, instead of having a false belief that they should do whatever they want with some light consequence of a few moments in a corner, or a privilege being taken away ,,trust, BALANCE is the key, an off balance home is an abusive one but one with support and discipline, with CLEARLY defined boundaries and consequences,, did alot to prepare me for the real world of choice and consequence,, and I am glad I grew up in the household which I did,,,,, its what worked for ME and millions of others like me if it wouldnt work for you,, thats fine,,,but I wouldnt thumb my nose at it (if thats the intent) I'm not saying children don't need discipline. I'm saying that physical discipline isn't always necessary. When growing up, I never believed that I could do whatever I wanted with no consequences. But, I was not scared into doing things a certain way by the fear of being hit. I was taught how to behave well and never needed to be hit. If a parent needs to scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. It's not about "scaring" the child. It's about teaching them there is a consequence for one's actions. Not a spanking isn't the answer for every punishment. But is it really a punishment say grounding the child? Yeah, so they can't go anywhere for a time being, but that gives them entire opportunity and reason to sit in their room and play video games, or watch TV or whatever may be the case. Sure, it's about scaring the child. It's also about parents who can't think of other ways to raise their children. Some of us were never hit as children and turned out just fine. I'm sorry that wasn't the case for many. Yes, there are many ways to punish your child. And these different options should be used. Depending on the extent of the "crime", the punishment should be applied. Just as adults. Some crimes get you a fine, some jail time, and some even prison time. Again, not every child mishap can be corrected with physical punishment.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 06/19/13 10:00 AM
nothing is 'always' necessary, each family and each child is unique physical discipline works in millions of homes and always has/will to equate it to some mental illness is pretty insulting to all those families who use it as part of the culture I do think it's pretty disturbing to believe that you must hit a child to get them to behave. then it isnt for you,,, its reality that different things work with different children

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 06/19/13 10:01 AM
yep, and Im glad I did,,,, stopping and beating and harassing young blacks was not uncommon when I grew up,,,,my brothers were spared that harsh reality by having discipline starting AT HOME, instead of having a false belief that they should do whatever they want with some light consequence of a few moments in a corner, or a privilege being taken away ,,trust, BALANCE is the key, an off balance home is an abusive one but one with support and discipline, with CLEARLY defined boundaries and consequences,, did alot to prepare me for the real world of choice and consequence,, and I am glad I grew up in the household which I did,,,,, its what worked for ME and millions of others like me if it wouldnt work for you,, thats fine,,,but I wouldnt thumb my nose at it (if thats the intent) I'm not saying children don't need discipline. I'm saying that physical discipline isn't always necessary. When growing up, I never believed that I could do whatever I wanted with no consequences. But, I was not scared into doing things a certain way by the fear of being hit. I was taught how to behave well and never needed to be hit. If a parent needs to scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. It's not about "scaring" the child. It's about teaching them there is a consequence for one's actions. Not a spanking isn't the answer for every punishment. But is it really a punishment say grounding the child? Yeah, so they can't go anywhere for a time being, but that gives them entire opportunity and reason to sit in their room and play video games, or watch TV or whatever may be the case. Sure, it's about scaring the child. It's also about parents who can't think of other ways to raise their children. Some of us were never hit as children and turned out just fine. I'm sorry that wasn't the case for many. come now some people were never hit and DIDNT Turn out fine some people were spanked and turned out fine Im sorry for any of them that it didnt turn out fine for,, obviously there was an IMBALANCE In their homes,, whatever the source of discipline

2smileloudly Joined Sun 12/16/07 Posts: 122	Wed 06/19/13 10:09 AM
Religion as a mental illness : People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions like prayer are delusional Delusion–a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. Religion by definition is a Psychosis…. an entire imaginary, delusional belief system We can call it Religious Belief Syndrome… an acronym could be… Religious B S

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/19/13 10:10 AM
Religion as a mental illness : People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions like prayer are delusional Delusion–a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. Religion by definition is a Psychosis…. an entire imaginary, delusional belief system We can call it Religious Belief Syndrome… an acronym could be… Religious B S How do you know for a fact they are delusions? If you do not believe in God, that is by all means your choice. But this being a religion "discussion", why would one go somewhere to discuss something they don't believe in? That sounds more delusional then anything.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 06/19/13 10:11 AM
Religion as a mental illness : People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions like prayer are delusional Delusion–a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. Religion by definition is a Psychosis…. an entire imaginary, delusional belief system We can call it Religious Belief Syndrome… an acronym could be… Religious B S not until you can PROVE its imaginary,, or that it is causing someone distress, the mental illness is obsession with belittling others for their beliefs,,,

ryantwo Joined Tue 06/04/13 Posts: 103	Wed 06/19/13 10:21 AM
i feel physical discipline eg smack on bum a light smack is ok and as done no harm for last 100 yrs school no longer have physical discipline which we can see from how schools as not worked the disrupted child is not getting discipline from no wear eg there family ect so feel school need play bigger part

ryantwo Joined Tue 06/04/13 Posts: 103	Wed 06/19/13 10:21 AM
i feel physical discipline eg smack on bum a light smack is ok and as done no harm for last 100 yrs school no longer have physical discipline which we can see from how schools as not worked the disrupted child is not getting discipline from no wear eg there family ect so feel school need play bigger part

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 06/19/13 10:27 AM
yes, children fall on their behinds all day long,, but they arent 'scared' to play its about a trust, respect, and intelligence regarding choices and consequences,,,,

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 06/19/13 11:01 AM
yep, and Im glad I did,,,, stopping and beating and harassing young blacks was not uncommon when I grew up,,,,my brothers were spared that harsh reality by having discipline starting AT HOME, instead of having a false belief that they should do whatever they want with some light consequence of a few moments in a corner, or a privilege being taken away ,,trust, BALANCE is the key, an off balance home is an abusive one but one with support and discipline, with CLEARLY defined boundaries and consequences,, did alot to prepare me for the real world of choice and consequence,, and I am glad I grew up in the household which I did,,,,, its what worked for ME and millions of others like me if it wouldnt work for you,, thats fine,,,but I wouldnt thumb my nose at it (if thats the intent) I'm not saying children don't need discipline. I'm saying that physical discipline isn't always necessary. When growing up, I never believed that I could do whatever I wanted with no consequences. But, I was not scared into doing things a certain way by the fear of being hit. I was taught how to behave well and never needed to be hit. If a parent needs to scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. It's not about "scaring" the child. It's about teaching them there is a consequence for one's actions. Not a spanking isn't the answer for every punishment. But is it really a punishment say grounding the child? Yeah, so they can't go anywhere for a time being, but that gives them entire opportunity and reason to sit in their room and play video games, or watch TV or whatever may be the case. Sure, it's about scaring the child. It's also about parents who can't think of other ways to raise their children. Some of us were never hit as children and turned out just fine. I'm sorry that wasn't the case for many. come now some people were never hit and DIDNT Turn out fine some people were spanked and turned out fine Im sorry for any of them that it didnt turn out fine for,, obviously there was an IMBALANCE In their homes,, whatever the source of discipline Sorry, I just can't get behind instilling fear in children by physically disciplining then just because you believe the bible says to do that.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 06/19/13 11:02 AM
yes, children fall on their behinds all day long,, but they arent 'scared' to play its about a trust, respect, and intelligence regarding choices and consequences,,,, You're really comparing children falling over to them being hit? Really?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/19/13 11:06 AM
yep, and Im glad I did,,,, stopping and beating and harassing young blacks was not uncommon when I grew up,,,,my brothers were spared that harsh reality by having discipline starting AT HOME, instead of having a false belief that they should do whatever they want with some light consequence of a few moments in a corner, or a privilege being taken away ,,trust, BALANCE is the key, an off balance home is an abusive one but one with support and discipline, with CLEARLY defined boundaries and consequences,, did alot to prepare me for the real world of choice and consequence,, and I am glad I grew up in the household which I did,,,,, its what worked for ME and millions of others like me if it wouldnt work for you,, thats fine,,,but I wouldnt thumb my nose at it (if thats the intent) I'm not saying children don't need discipline. I'm saying that physical discipline isn't always necessary. When growing up, I never believed that I could do whatever I wanted with no consequences. But, I was not scared into doing things a certain way by the fear of being hit. I was taught how to behave well and never needed to be hit. If a parent needs to scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. scare their children in order for them to behave, something is missing. It's not about "scaring" the child. It's about teaching them there is a consequence for one's actions. Not a spanking isn't the answer for every punishment. But is it really a punishment say grounding the child? Yeah, so they can't go anywhere for a time being, but that gives them entire opportunity and reason to sit in their room and play video games, or watch TV or whatever may be the case. Sure, it's about scaring the child. It's also about parents who can't think of other ways to raise their children. Some of us were never hit as children and turned out just fine. I'm sorry that wasn't the case for many. come now some people were never hit and DIDNT Turn out fine some people were spanked and turned out fine Im sorry for any of them that it didnt turn out fine for,, obviously there was an IMBALANCE In their homes,, whatever the source of discipline Sorry, I just can't get behind instilling fear in children by physically disciplining then just because you believe the bible says to do that. Whoever said the because part of your statement? We don't do things "because the bible says". We do them, cause it is what we feel God has instructed to do. Weather you believe he did or didn't is purely mute here. Why do people turn these discussions into "God exists or doesn't exist". If you don't believe God exists, I would suggest discussing somewhere/something that you do believe in. Not trying to be rude or run you off, but what is the point in coming to a place where they have discussions of topics therein, but just state God doesn't exist? Do we go to the say Science room and explain how they are wrong about the creation of the world and inform them of how it actually when God created it? No, because that's not the place for it.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 06/19/13 11:10 AM
Msharmony brought up physical discipline being religious doctrine, which makes me think she thinks it's ok because the bible/god says so.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/19/13 11:14 AM
Msharmony brought up physical discipline being religious doctrine, which makes me think she thinks it's ok because the bible/god says so. My friend, it's not because the "bible" says so. The bible is merely paper and ink containing knowledge. It's because God said so.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Wed 06/19/13 11:16 AM
To me I c a huge problem with our govt. dictating that a spanking can be abuse.. Parents back off the way they were raised because of fear of their family being broke up and losing anything. These kids in schools are told about abuse all the time so they get to thinking they may be abused. What happens when they turn 18 and now r under the law? I feel the discipline of old not being carried on is abuse and I say that because we have the largest prison population in the world.. and the strictest laws against parents being able to displine their children the way they were. I c a direct correlation their. They do not know how to respect authority until its to late for a lot of kids. IMO

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/19/13 11:16 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 06/19/13 11:17 AM
Msharmony brought up physical discipline being religious doctrine, which makes me think she thinks it's ok because the bible/god says so. My friend, it's not because the "bible" says so. The bible is merely paper and ink containing knowledge. It's because God said so. God does not talk to humans. If you are hearing voices in your head, its probably either a demon or one of your inner Psyche's.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 06/19/13 11:21 AM
Msharmony brought up physical discipline being religious doctrine, which makes me think she thinks it's ok because the bible/god says so. My friend, it's not because the "bible" says so. The bible is merely paper and ink containing knowledge. It's because God said so. When and how did god tell you this?

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Wed 06/19/13 11:22 AM
Msharmony brought up physical discipline being religious doctrine, which makes me think she thinks it's ok because the bible/god says so. My friend, it's not because the "bible" says so. The bible is merely paper and ink containing knowledge. It's because God said so. God does not talk to humans. If you are hearing voices in your head, its probably either a demon or one of your inner Psyche's. Isn't that a little bit of double talk JB? If a demon can talk to her why can not Good talk to her? Both r unseen forces.