lol gotcha. How often would you hear from them when you started to opt out?

Exclusively? Utter nonsense followed by poor logic.

Yes exclusively, it goes to the debt before being spent on anything else.....tell me something if this money goes to where they say, why is everything in such poor shape for? Where is that money going? And why aren't they being held accountable for the missing money, millions of it a year? If we are found to be defrauding them we have the book thrown at us, but they get pass, why? Why are they held to a different standard from everyone else? Why is there no accountability?

Face facts man, the system is rigged.

Well, that is hardly 'exclusive'. You people do understand the meaning I take it?

Yes I do and when I said that I mean it goes to the debt, and then it's gone, it can't go anywhere else because it's spent before it can get there.

It took them three years to get up the nerve to talk to me again after i responded to their notice to file. They sent me another notice the same as the one I responded to that they ignored, so I got to ask the same question again...Apparently they were hoping I'd forgotten about it.


BTW...Here's a caution and I'm not kidding about it. LEAVE THIS TO THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING!...I know I made it sound easy and funny, but this is a game they play for keeps...One wrong move will ruin your life!

That is obviously erroneous.

Yes and no...While it is true that all the taxes are gathered into a consolidated fund for disbursement according to the budget, I think it is much more than coincidence that in a "well-balanced" budget, the income tax collected corresponds closely to the interest payable on the national debt. Too much so for coincidence IMO.

Well, all that aside, it is clear that the income tax revenue is not being allocated 'exclusively' to the national debt. You know as well as I do the state would cease to function if that were the case.

You really think so? Or do you really think they even give two rats about anything beyond their own greed? You're wrong if you do, because they don't, they'd rather the state itself die, all they care about is power, nothing more or nothing less. I'll ask again, if all this money, income tax or otherwise goes to where they say it does, why is this country in such piss poor shape? They get so much damn money from taxes and license fees, etc etc, but they always need more, ever notice that? Ever ask yourself why?

Time to wake up from your slumber.......all is not what it appears to be.

Really? Time for you to come back to planet Earth. Of course states require more revenue per annum. The population increases require further investment in infrastructure, among other policy implementations. Clearly, basic economics are not your area.

We need government to provide some things like military to protection. However I think we need to take away a lot away from our government like making congress part-time so they are forced to come home to and get a real job.

The down size with in tax plan change is that congress would try to get more money through fees, but a simple tax plan would be the start of true reform.

"The State?" What are you talking about when you use that term? The Federal Government or an individual state? We file both State and Federal income taxes here and the Federal takes most of it.

The Federal government itself just borrows more money when it needs money to function. We pay it back, with income taxes, but not enough income taxes are collected to pay much on the principal, so most of that money is consumed just paying the interest on the loan.

Taxes collected goes first to pay that. It is a priority. There is not any money left to contribute to the "function" of the State. But it does keep The State is good credit standing to borrow more money for their operation.

We are swimming in debt and more and more closer to not being able to pay even the interest on the debt. That is interest on paper money that is basically worthless and is not backed by anything. No gold, no silver. Not only that, the trillions of dollars in debt we are, does not have even enough paper money IN EXISTENCE to pay such a debt. It is all digital money. Money out of thin air that does not even exist, and we the working poor are paying interest on that which is nothing.

The only reason money is still being accepted as valuable today is that the public is too stupid and uneducated to realize that it is based on trust only. When other countries decide not to accept the dollar, the bottom will fall out and the bubble will burst.

Got silver?

Quite correct. If all income tax paid was interest on the national debt, there would be nothing left for bribes, bombs, drones & brutal cops to keep the disgruntled slaves in line. Good thing we can always borrow more money and make the slaves pay or we'd never get anything done. The infrastructure of society would wind up rotting and failing as ALL the tax money meant for it and other unimportant things like food, clothing, shelter & medical care for the slaves would be have to be reallocated for the "good stuff."

It's so good to see that at least someone on here understands economics and the complexities of good governance. I hope these malcontents listen to you, or they might stop giving their government what it needs, thus causing it to cease to function, and where would they be then eh?

There would be chaos in the streets with no police to keep them in line, no neat bombs for killing brown people, no drones (which saves a lot of money on a judicial system that might not rule in our favour), and no money for the bonuses, yachts, palaces & other incentives so desperately needed by the selfless financial geniuses who keep the wheels of corporate capitalism well oiled. The slaves would have to rely on their friends, neighbours and countrymen to provide them with the essential needs directly, and we all know that the lazy, greedy, self-serving riff-raff cares about nobody but themselves, so their friends, neighbours and countrymen would probably all starve to death without people like us to dole out their needs as we see fit. Obviously the lazy bums could go to work and support themselves without us to give them jobs, but we know they'll never do that. With no government teat to suck on, I'm sure they'd rather die than work.

What's really needed in this age of austerity, cutbacks and too-small-to-make-a-difference bank bailouts isn't a revolution (obviously), it's a charity that can raise the necessary funds to support the ailing one percent.

As voltaire once said, "Those who believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities." and the slaves seem to believe all sorts of absurd conspiracy theories, like the ones that assert that their government might not be working in their best interest. We have to stamp out such crazy absurdities from the public mind before the ignorant villagers storm the castle with torches.

An astounding example of hyperbole. Congratulations! May I borrow this as an example for a class?

Now, back on Planet Earth:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/2011-taxreceipt

Can't you people ever look past your prejudice and investigate something for yourself?

You believe them????

...Not if you're being graded on it...That would be cheating.



Awww...Do we have to go there?...I heard they're redecorating and the place is a bloody mess.



Who is "you people?"...Aren't you one of us?..."One of us!...One of us!...One of us!..."

http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/3525958/One+of+us/

C'mon Rod...Have a beer & join the party.

Try to remember the incredibly wise and true quotable quote: "If you're not having fun, you aren't doing it right." - me

There's a ridiculous and growing conspiracy theory that you might be a reptilian from Alpha Centauri secretly working for Rothschild, Rockefeller and the BIS. I kinda think it's incumbent on you to debunk it. Since that's your hobby, it should be a lot of fun for you.

I think it should be pretty easy to debunk, seeing as how you have personal knowledge of the actor(s). You'll probably have almost no research to do to prove your innocence and debunk the CT.

Lying to the State, then, also becomes a fortiori morally legitimate. Just as no one is morally required to answer a robber truthfully when he asks if there are any valuables in one's house, so no one can be morally required to answer truthfully similar questions asked by the State, e.g., when filling out income tax returns.


well,here it is a Misdemeanor,as long as I don't falsify Documents,in the US,you go to Prison!

Here,as long as I just forget to mention certain Assets,the worst can happen that they double or so the Taxes on them,if they become aware of it!

There are other ways to raise Revenue than Incometaxes,and it would be paid by those benefiting most from them!


In a fully free society, taxation—or, to be exact, payment for governmental services—would be voluntary. Since the proper services of a government—the police, the armed forces, the law courts—are demonstrably needed by individual citizens and affect their interests directly, the citizens would (and should) be willing to pay for such services, as they pay for insurance.

The question of how to implement the principle of voluntary government financing—how to determine the best means of applying it in practice—is a very complex one and belongs to the field of the philosophy of law. The task of political philosophy is only to establish the nature of the principle and to demonstrate that it is practicable. The choice of a specific method of implementation is more than premature today—since the principle will be practicable only in a fully free society, a society whose government has been constitutionally reduced to its proper, basic functions.


Any program of voluntary government financing has to be regarded as a goal for a distant future.

What the advocates of a fully free society have to know, at present, is only the principle by which that goal can be achieved.

The principle of voluntary government financing rests on the following premises: that the government is not the owner of the citizens’ income and, therefore, cannot hold a blank check on that income—that the nature of the proper governmental services must be constitutionally defined and delimited, leaving the government no power to enlarge the scope of its services at its own arbitrary discretion. Consequently, the principle of voluntary government financing regards the government as the servant, not the ruler, of the citizens—as an agent who must be paid for his services, not as a benefactor whose services are gratuitous, who dispenses something for nothing.


n view of what they hear from the experts, the people cannot be blamed for their ignorance and their helpless confusion. If an average housewife struggles with her incomprehensibly shrinking budget and sees a tycoon in a resplendent limousine, she might well think that just one of his diamond cuff links would solve all her problems. She has no way of knowing that if all the personal luxuries of all the tycoons were expropriated, it would not feed her family—and millions of other, similar families—for one week; and that the entire country would starve on the first morning of the week to follow . . . . How would she know it, if all the voices she hears are telling her that we must soak the rich?

No one tells her that higher taxes imposed on the rich (and the semi-rich) will not come out of their consumption expenditures, but out of their investment capital (i.e., their savings); that such taxes will mean less investment, i.e., less production, fewer jobs, higher prices for scarcer goods; and that by the time the rich have to lower their standard of living, hers will be gone, along with her savings and her husband’s job—and no power in the world (no economic power) will be able to revive the dead industries (there will be no such power left).

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/taxation.html

I enjoyed your post and can agree with everything you said except the above.

A social credit economy would bring the distant future into the present in short order and is going to be the natural consequence of the economic/banking crisis we are in today. This is why I'm so chipper these days. I used to think I had to fight for a better world, but now feel I can relax & enjoy myself, as a better day is coming up fast (though i'd still like to speed it up even more to minimize the suffering of my fellow man).

Just as a matter of interest for you to investigate, here are some of the things a social credit economy would do:

1) Put the people in charge of their government (They would have the power of the purse over it)

2) Bring prosperity in an economy based on abundance instead of scarcity (as a result of (1))

3) end capitalism and introduce true socialism: "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" (This will be "good" socialism based on the voluntary contribution of "taxes" to help less advantaged countrymen, neighbours and friends, not the bad kind where anything you might contribute is simply taken from you for redistribution)

4) Bring world peace (because there is no longer any need to fight over scarce resources...There will be more than enough for everyone)

Yeah...I know the claims sound fantastic, utopian and much too good to possibly be true. I could also spend till doomsday arguing with you guys trying to prove them too, but I'm not gonna waste all of our time doing that. All I'll say is that you take a long and deep look at social credit; the bankers did; that's why they've been trying to stomp it out of existence by turning it into a corrupted political movement. They knew this economic theory threatened their very existence and would derail the capitalist gravy train.

I went to that link and got as far as:

"In his 2011 State of the Union Address, President Obama promised ..."

then I couldn't stop laughing.