Topic: quantom entanglement... faster than light?
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Mon 06/17/13 09:33 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 06/17/13 09:34 AM




Consciousness is the substance of the Universe. The physical Universe exists within the conscious Universe. Look at it like this, time is consciousness. Time derives from our memory, we remember what just happened, we see what is happening and we can predict what will happen. But the only real time is the moment you are in, right now. past and future are illusions, They do not exist. We have the power to speed up the perception of time and the power to slow it down. Any athlete will tell you when they are in "the zone" time can slow down and they can see things move in slow motion. The opposite is true, If you get Knocked out by falling out of a tree, time will fly by in an instant till you awaken. Now imagine you take consciousness out of the universe. It would be like knocking the universe out. It has nothing to be relative too. No reference point, nothing to observe it, nothing to experience it. Time would move infinitely fast and the universe would revert to being a singularity. (All space and time all at once) it is consciousness that divides the universe into its segments of time. It is consciousness that exists at any giving space and time period of the universe but as far as the physical universe is concerned it is a singularity. It is life itself that splits the universe up and creates the space we live in right now.

The function of science is to describe how nature operates on a mechanical level. Why IS the sky blue? Why DOES the rain fall? A scientific explanation will explore the nuts and bolts of the question without invoking unsupported god-from-the-machine stories to set everything right. So when the mystic or the theist demands to know how science accounts for this or that, and then proffers his mysticism as an answer worthy of equal consideration, the mystic engages in both a bate-and-switch and a logical fallacy. The bait-and-switch where the mystic demands a mechanical explanation from science and then proffers a non-mechanical 'solution' to fill the gaps, and a logical fallacy because it does not follow that ignorance is evidence for mysticism (or the gods).

You can not argue that BECAUSE we do not know therefore we DO know the answer -its a God, Cosmic Consciousness or insert your favorite fantasy here. Mysticism, Creationism, Theism, The Matrix or the gods do not win by default. They must stand on their own evidential feet, and ignorance by science is not evidence for any of these. Mystic oranges are not equivalent to Newton's apples, regardless of what the new-age gurus pretend. So believe in mysticism if you wish, just know where to draw the line understand why science and mysticism are not the same.


You completely missed my point, What I am saying is consciousness can be measured. And the source of this measurement is related closely to time. (if not time itself) SO no I am not offering any mysticism or god explanation and nor have I ever mentioned god. I'm saying consciousness has been the elusive variable that scientists for a long time could not fit in to their equations. But finally in recent years, with the advancement of Quantum mechanics, scientists now understand the importance of consciousness and how the mere act of observing greatly transforms the matter and energy around us. Quantum Entanglement is yet another proof that all things are connected on a deep intrinsic level. SO I CAN argue this point because WE DO have so much evidence that the source of the universe is in fact consciousness. Every great scientist will not deny this. It just takes a level of thinking that differs from common knowledge of what "layman's" think the substance of time and matter truly is. I have a very valid argument. Yes it may seem "Mystical" to you, because anything people do not understand they label it as "mystical" But there is real science supporting it and real Math involved in the study of consciousness and the true substance of the universe.



You're missing my point also,how can consciousness exist without a brain?Yes it could be possible for our brains to have somehow be part of the universe cause we are made up of compounds that exist in the universe.Though without a brain does consciousness still exist?That can't be proven,for that matter science really can't prove YET what consciousness is.
Layman terms isn't how i see it the fact is consciousness can't be proven to exist without a brain.As evolution of humans began from a common descent which is proven so did encephalization which has a lot to do with consciousness.
Is consciousness just simply the human brain at work being aware or is it more than that?No one really knows yet.





Dovebear is right.

What do you think a brain is anyway? It is just grey matter. It cannot have consciousness and it is not what produces consciousness. Take a brain out of a person and keep the grey matter alive in a jar and it cannot have consciousness. It does not produce consciousness nor does it create consciousness.

The brain provides for electrical impulses to navigate throughout the body that's all it does. Absent a brain, the universe has its own way of navigating electrical impulses throughout. The brain is specific to certain life forms. It is created (actually it is manifested) by consciousness.

There is nothing 'mystical' about the truth. If scientists would stop ignoring the evidence just because they can't understand it, they would soon have it all figured out. There are two levels of scientists in this world. The ones who actually KNOW about the fabric of reality and the ones who can't grasp it and who cling to traditional and the concrete things they can grasp.

In my opinion, it is better that they do not know any of this. The first thing they would do is attempt to make a weapon with this information and then proceed to use it for their own agenda.

If you don't believe there are scientists who are doing this anyway, then you are naive. They are working on hacking reality as we speak.

Yes, hacking reality through consciousness.

They know that what people believe shapes events. Hence, propaganda. Another great example of hacking reality is hypnotism. Another is mind altering drugs and mind control. Another is a project where they are reading people's minds, implanting false memories etc.








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Mon 06/17/13 10:46 AM
Edited by RKISIT on Mon 06/17/13 10:47 AM
Dovebear is right.

What do you think a brain is anyway? It is just grey matter. It cannot have consciousness and it is not what produces consciousness. Take a brain out of a person and keep the grey matter alive in a jar and it cannot have consciousness. It does not produce consciousness nor does it create consciousness.

The brain provides for electrical impulses to navigate throughout the body that's all it does. Absent a brain, the universe has its own way of navigating electrical impulses throughout. The brain is specific to certain life forms. It is created (actually it is manifested) by consciousness.

There is nothing 'mystical' about the truth. If scientists would stop ignoring the evidence just because they can't understand it, they would soon have it all figured out. There are two levels of scientists in this world. The ones who actually KNOW about the fabric of reality and the ones who can't grasp it and who cling to traditional and the concrete things they can grasp.

In my opinion, it is better that they do not know any of this. The first thing they would do is attempt to make a weapon with this information and then proceed to use it for their own agenda.

If you don't believe there are scientists who are doing this anyway, then you are naive. They are working on hacking reality as we speak.

Yes, hacking reality through consciousness.

They know that what people believe shapes events. Hence, propaganda. Another great example of hacking reality is hypnotism. Another is mind altering drugs and mind control. Another is a project where they are reading people's minds, implanting false memories etc.
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Until a neuroscientist comes up with what consciousness truly is i'll just keep typing they really don't know(could be just a philosophical word also) or there is one person on this earth that has solipsism and we are all in his or hers mind.

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Mon 06/17/13 10:54 AM
Until a neuroscientist comes up with what consciousness truly is i'll just keep typing they really don't know(could be just a philosophical word also) or there is one person on this earth that has solipsism and we are all in his or hers mind.


laugh laugh

Yep I agree that 'they don't know" what consciousness is.

I'm working on trying to figure out how to hack reality myself. laugh laugh

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Mon 06/17/13 11:32 AM
Everything has consciousness. It is the force that drives all forces. It is the very thing that binds the universe together.

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Mon 06/17/13 12:02 PM
Edited by dovebear on Mon 06/17/13 12:28 PM
The brain is not the essence of consciousness, The brain is merely a tool that processes information and takes in external data, organizes it in a way we can comprehend it. But that's it. We do not exist in our brains. That's the greatest dilemma of our time, to many people spending to much time in their head. Your whole body is conscious. If anything your naval center is the strongest center for consciousness.

Imagine all your major energy centers as a speaker system, You have your brain and you pineal. It is a massive 14" sub, hooked up to an amplifier and volume is always cranked on full blast during your waking state. You have your other centers. But they are only 1 inch speakers, the volume is only on minimum and they are not hooked up to an amp. Most of us cant even feel the smaller speakers because they are being over powered by the brain. You need to dial down the brain so you can detect your other centers. Your brain is powerful, noisy and blinded by your eyes, and yes your eyes blind you so much because it is a powerful overwhelming sense, Your brain is overloaded with powerful senses and you need to learn how to tune them out in order to listen in on your other senses you may be completely unaware of.

and yes, everything has consciousness but you need to understand that there are levels of consciousness. You need to know that your Ego is not consciousness. It is a result of higher levels of consciousness directly effected by your brain, thats why you think consciousness is in your brain because you feel like you exist in your head, bu you dont, your ego exists in your head.

Namaste

P.S. It wont be a neuro scientist who finds out what consciousness is, It will be a quantum physicist. And, I would love for you to explain to me why the sky is blue, and why the rain falls. Because when it comes down to it not even the greatest scientists can explain gravity. The curvature of the atmosphere is curved because of gravity. Who can explain the mechanics? We can do our best to measure everything. And I'm sure we can always dive deeper into the rabbit hole to uncover new variables. So yeah, no one knows why the rain falls essentially.


.....Yet. I'm working on it. :P


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Mon 06/17/13 12:32 PM
There was a show on television last night explaining why it rains but I fell asleep or missed part of it. It was really interesting though.

I have always said that everything has consciousness and there are an infinite number of levels. This does not mean that a bacteria is conscious like we think of ourselves of being conscious.

Yes so many people think the answers are in the brain, but the brain is just a blob of grey matter that is a tool manifested by consciousness.




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Mon 06/17/13 01:46 PM

P.S. It wont be a neuro scientist who finds out what consciousness is, It will be a quantum physicist. And, I would love for you to explain to me why the sky is blue, and why the rain falls. Because when it comes down to it not even the greatest scientists can explain gravity. The curvature of the atmosphere is curved because of gravity. Who can explain the mechanics? We can do our best to measure everything. And I'm sure we can always dive deeper into the rabbit hole to uncover new variables. So yeah, no one knows why the rain falls essentially.
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dovebear please type you do know why the sky is blue and why rain falls.I mean at least lie and type you do.
You're not really serious are you?

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Mon 06/17/13 02:17 PM
Edited by dovebear on Mon 06/17/13 02:31 PM
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Mon 06/17/13 02:22 PM
I don't believe they found the Higgs boson. I think they are fooling themselves and trying to justify all the time and money they are spending. They actually found two Higgs Bosons they claim now. They are confused.

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Mon 06/17/13 02:23 PM
As far as why the rain falls, there is a lengthy scientific explanation of that I am quite sure that satisfies most objective science, but they still don't know much about gravity, and there are many more questions they can't answer.


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Mon 06/17/13 07:27 PM

As far as why the rain falls, there is a lengthy scientific explanation of that I am quite sure that satisfies most objective science, but they still don't know much about gravity, and there are many more questions they can't answer.




if they do know what gravity is, they're not telling...

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Mon 06/17/13 08:14 PM


As far as why the rain falls, there is a lengthy scientific explanation of that I am quite sure that satisfies most objective science, but they still don't know much about gravity, and there are many more questions they can't answer.




if they do know what gravity is, they're not telling...


yeah, Gravity is the biggest secret. I suspect it has something to do with the next great weapon of mass destruction. Or possibly the next generation of Air-space control. All I know is it has to be something to do with military. I think if you can control gravity you can possibly control time. Its been proven that gravity directly effects the passage of time. So if you can increase/decrease gravity in a small contained area you can technically control time in a contained area too.

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Mon 06/17/13 08:16 PM



As far as why the rain falls, there is a lengthy scientific explanation of that I am quite sure that satisfies most objective science, but they still don't know much about gravity, and there are many more questions they can't answer.




if they do know what gravity is, they're not telling...


yeah, Gravity is the biggest secret. I suspect it has something to do with the next great weapon of mass destruction. Or possibly the next generation of Air-space control. All I know is it has to be something to do with military. I think if you can control gravity you can possibly control time. Its been proven that gravity directly effects the passage of time. So if you can increase/decrease gravity in a small contained area you can technically control time in a contained area too.


That gives me an idea.

If I can control time with my consciousness... then perhaps I can control gravity.

bigsmile

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Mon 06/17/13 08:55 PM
Edited by dovebear on Mon 06/17/13 08:57 PM
Gravity surely is a powerful thing.

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Mon 06/17/13 11:10 PM
I'll look into that. laugh



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Tue 06/18/13 04:52 AM
Ok im not to hip with physics, but this forum seems cool e=mc2, i thought that was the calculation for the speed of light, 186,000x186,000 im sorry if i am wrong i know the c in the equasion stands for light,just in a different meaning, someone throwme some knowledge lol

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Tue 06/18/13 08:25 AM



As far as why the rain falls, there is a lengthy scientific explanation of that I am quite sure that satisfies most objective science, but they still don't know much about gravity, and there are many more questions they can't answer.




if they do know what gravity is, they're not telling...


yeah, Gravity is the biggest secret. I suspect it has something to do with the next great weapon of mass destruction. Or possibly the next generation of Air-space control. All I know is it has to be something to do with military. I think if you can control gravity you can possibly control time. Its been proven that gravity directly effects the passage of time. So if you can increase/decrease gravity in a small contained area you can technically control time in a contained area too.


no such thing as time, just a perception... gravity cannot affect a perception...

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Tue 06/18/13 08:26 AM

Ok im not to hip with physics, but this forum seems cool e=mc2, i thought that was the calculation for the speed of light, 186,000x186,000 im sorry if i am wrong i know the c in the equasion stands for light,just in a different meaning, someone throwme some knowledge lol


i think the "c" stands for velocity, not light...

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Tue 06/18/13 08:43 AM
Someone still has to tell me why Nuclear Power,and all the other Calculations using 186'000miles/sec works!
Frequency to Wavelength uses it,and so do many others!
If the Speed of Light weren't a Constant at least in this Corner of the Universe,none of those Calculations,and therefore not even a simple Radio-Frequency-Oscillator would be possible!

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Tue 06/18/13 08:49 AM

Ok im not to hip with physics, but this forum seems cool e=mc2, i thought that was the calculation for the speed of light, 186,000x186,000 im sorry if i am wrong i know the c in the equasion stands for light,just in a different meaning, someone throwme some knowledge lol


Yes C is the speed of light (Latin, celeritas meaning speed)