Well said.

I see what you mean, you are talking about a continuous wave. So yes, your amplitude will always have the same value starting from zero seconds. You can have a constant amplitude but amplitude is not a constant.
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Again i know this and you at least understand what i was getting at.
Amplitude can't be the physics meaning of "a constant" but it can be constant.
I think the constant i was referring to and what others thought i meant got misconstrued.
Then again particles are my thing not radio wavelengths.

It would seem to me that to more properly judge whether there is a difference in the speed of the change in entangled photons, using the much larger distances in space would be appropriate. What seems instantaneous at 10 kls, may show delay at 10 light years.

I would respond but I don't understand your post. It went right past me.... at the speed of light.

I think what he is saying is that the further away the photons are from each other the more likely the quantum entanglment between the two will vary in time, so yes on earth it appears entangled but if we could do these experiments 10,000 lightyears apart would it still be instantaneous.

Personally I think it will always be instantaneous. Its like saying the gravitational pull from the center of the galaxy will have a delay of gravitation pull on our solar system because of the mass distance between them. But what we need to realize about gravity and quantum entanglement is that the reaction between the two bodies does not travel any distance. Its effects are always prevalent. The two bodys are intrinsically connected beyond space and time itself.

Thanks, and I agree with you.

His speculation seems illogical anyway, (and rather pointless since an experiment of that sort is not possible anyway.)

Actually, his comment was direct, valid, and to the point.

NASA has performed measurements on the curvature of spacetime in a similar manner.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/04may_epic/

In any case, slowhand had it right a few posts back.

Don't forget that the exchange of gravitons in the gravitational field is also valid.

I've seen a few posters flip flop on here,first they accept "quantum consciousness" then go back to equivalence principle with inertial mass and gravity.
In the real world of physics quantum theory and relativistic physics cause multiple singularities.Quantum physics is more of possibilities and or probabilities that can be plausible with some adjustment or monte carlo simulations.
Yes some quantum theories or hypothesis is gaining merit at the microuniverse level but if you dig deeper into it, it's still rather weak.
In time i accept quantum gravity theories will start to explain space-time(gravity) more effectively and with better algorithms also with stronger validity.
I also accept that it will get down to what "dark matter" actually is besides a "wimp".In my opinion gravity plays way more of a key role in our universe than physicist believe it to.

i agree, when the scientists start taking "time" out of the equation and start looking at the electro-magnetic wave properties of gravity, then they might get an understanding of what gravity might be...

Isn't it theoretically possible we will one day be able to precisely manipulate these photons; thus enabling two-way communication across the universe at near instantaneous speed? You have one photon in your office, I carry the other photon in my 90% light speed ship with anti-matter drive. Then we can converse in near virtual real time about how cool the next star systems is . . .

(Otherwise it's gonna suck, the ship is halfway built out in the garage . . .)

And I don't disagree with NASA's measurements on the curvature of spacetime, but that's not really what I'm talking about.

I could not find any post by slowhand "a few posts back" would you link to it please?

Manipulate photons?

Two way communication? (Just two way?)

Yep

Start learning telepathy and teleportation via vortexes and wormholes or use a star gate machine.

From Slowhand:

"it does not matter how the photons or particles are moving...
the two entities are related by quantum mechanics and when you
make a measurement of the polarization of one of them you make
a measurement of the polarization of both of them.

this is essentially different from everyday experience but there
are a lot of things about quantum mechanics which are quite different
from our usual experience.

nonetheless...going back to the analogy with the clay...

if you don't know which one is clay and which one is copper then
when you measure one of them and it is found to be convex then the
other one is automatically concave since they are formed together
and their states are forever connected...as is the case with the
photons...

laugh"

The above is a non-statement.

"Related by quantum mechanics" Seriously?

Doesn't that just means that they are connected??

How is "related" different than "connected" ?

So they are "related." SO what???



That does not really say much.

It defines what quantum entanglement is really about. What "is" always "was". Definition occurred upon creation. You know both by knowing one.

Calling "tails" when it lands on "heads" is always the loser.

Heisenberg's uncertainty relation. In essence, he said, it all depends on what you mean by "reality."

If quantum mechanics is only about information and a way of predicting the results of measurements, these questions don't matter, but, if you take the view that the formalism is reflecting something out there in real world, it matters immensely.

As a result, theorists have come up with a menu of alternative interpretations and explanations. According to one popular notion, known as decoherence, quantum waves are very fragile and collapse from bumping into the environment. Another theory, by the late David Bohm, restores determinism by postulating a "pilot wave" that acts behind the scenes to guide particles.

the pilot-wave model, a version of quantum theory discovered by Louis de Broglie in 1927 and rediscovered by David Bohm in 1952.


In relativity, movement is continuous, causally determinate and well defined, while in quantum mechanics it is discontinuous, not causally determinate and not well defined. Each theory is committed to its own notions of essentially static and fragmentary modes of existence (relativity to that of separate events, connectable by signals, and quantum mechanics to a well-defined quantum state). One thus sees that a new kind of theory is needed which drops these basic commitments and at most recovers some essential features of the older theories as abstract forms derived from a deeper reality in which what prevails in unbroken wholeness. (David Bohm, On Quantum Mechanics, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, 1980

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Anton Zeilinger of the University of Vienna said that he thought, "The world is not as real as we think.

"My personal opinion is that the world is even weirder than what quantum physics tells us," he added.