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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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He did threaten to prosecute people who questioned the official (his version) of what happened. That's not exactly correct. He threatened prosecution for the spread of misinformation.
Spreading 'misinformation' is not a crime, and anyway who decides what is "misinformation?" He was very clear. Anything that did not come from or agree with him and only him qualifies as "misinformation." And He spread a bit of misinformation himself, and the story kept changing... His delusions of power and authority over the free press (and the internet) and freedom of speech (that includes any and all information even misinformation) are absurd. Don't you people in Australia have freedom of speech? 
Spin on JB. See you have no argument against logic and truth.
Not at all, I just can't be bothered arguing with someone who completely distorts the information. You're assuming again, you really need to stop that. |
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@ ENK Not true but good ole philosophy none the less... Do you watch TV? They got this show, "Hell on Wheels". It's pretty good. I haven't seen the second season, but the first was well written and produced. |
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@ ENK Not true but good ole philosophy none the less... Do you watch TV? They got this show, "Hell on Wheels". It's pretty good. Is it on cable? I don't have cable. I haven't heard of it. I can be though 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 02/03/13 05:41 PM
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He did threaten to prosecute people who questioned the official (his version) of what happened. That's not exactly correct. He threatened prosecution for the spread of misinformation.
Spreading 'misinformation' is not a crime, and anyway who decides what is "misinformation?" He was very clear. Anything that did not come from or agree with him and only him qualifies as "misinformation." And He spread a bit of misinformation himself, and the story kept changing... His delusions of power and authority over the free press (and the internet) and freedom of speech (that includes any and all information even misinformation) are absurd. Don't you people in Australia have freedom of speech?
Spin on JB. See you have no argument against logic and truth.
Not at all, I just can't be bothered arguing with someone who completely distorts the information. You're assuming again, you really need to stop that. I do not distort the information at all. Is it true that this man, hiding behind the long and impressive organization's name you posted, is your only source? Is it not true that he threatened to investigate and prosecute anyone spreading misinformation via social networks and other things? Has he been successful in that endeavor yet? He is nothing but ignorance and blow. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Sun 02/03/13 05:48 PM
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He did threaten to prosecute people who questioned the official (his version) of what happened. That's not exactly correct. He threatened prosecution for the spread of misinformation.
Spreading 'misinformation' is not a crime, and anyway who decides what is "misinformation?" He was very clear. Anything that did not come from or agree with him and only him qualifies as "misinformation." And He spread a bit of misinformation himself, and the story kept changing... His delusions of power and authority over the free press (and the internet) and freedom of speech (that includes any and all information even misinformation) are absurd. Don't you people in Australia have freedom of speech?
Spin on JB. See you have no argument against logic and truth.
Not at all, I just can't be bothered arguing with someone who completely distorts the information. You're assuming again, you really need to stop that. I do not distort the information at all. Is it true that this man, hiding behind the long and impressive organization's name you posted, is your only source? Is it not true that he threatened to investigate and prosecute anyone spreading misinformation via social networks and other things? Had he been successful in that endeavor? He is nothing but ignorance and blow. So, where are your sources that prove all your claims? So far you've offered desperate sounding gibberish and a letter from *rense*. Nothing with any credibility whatsoever, and yet, you're wasting my time arguing about the veracity of a statement issued by a police dept. Please go away, your whole argument is tedious and pathetic. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 02/03/13 05:48 PM
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Wasting your time? Then you are excused.
I'm watching the super bowl where some 'conspiracy theorist' has predicted a major terrorist attack. Half the power has gone out and the game has been interrupted. So, I gotta go watch to see if the place blows up. 
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Wasting your time? Then you are excused. I'm watching the super bowl where some 'conspiracy theorist' has predicted a major terrorist attack. Half the power has gone out and the game has been interrupted. So, I gotta go watch to see if the place blows up.
I'm sure that'll make your day.
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Wasting your time? Then you are excused. I'm watching the super bowl where some 'conspiracy theorist' has predicted a major terrorist attack. Half the power has gone out and the game has been interrupted. So, I gotta go watch to see if the place blows up.
I'm sure that'll make your day.
No, you are mistaken. Why would you even say such a thing? 
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So, where are your sources that prove all your claims?
I read tons of 'sources' and I certainly don't keep a record of every place I get information so I can prove something to you or anyone else. Since according to Mr.Vance, he is the only 'credible' source, no amount of proof or any other 'source' would make you happy anyway. They would all be "misinformation sources." |
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Edited by
Enkoodabaoo
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Sun 02/03/13 06:32 PM
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@ ENK Not true but good ole philosophy none the less... Do you watch TV? They got this show, "Hell on Wheels". It's pretty good. Is it on cable? I don't have cable. I haven't heard of it. I can be though
I bet you can. ;) It's like this, a man is only free if he has the power to hold onto his freedom. If you are free, but you can't protect yourself, then how free are you? They got armed guards in every pawn shop, every bank, every high class retailer, but we can't have armed teachers or school employees? I think it's a sad state of affairs when we say that money and things deserve better protection than women and children. |
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Edited by
willowdraga
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Sun 02/03/13 06:44 PM
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@ ENK Not true but good ole philosophy none the less... Do you watch TV? They got this show, "Hell on Wheels". It's pretty good. Is it on cable? I don't have cable. I haven't heard of it. I can be though
I bet you can. ;) It's like this, a man is only free if he has the power to hold onto his freedom. If you are free, but you can't protect yourself, then how free are you? They got armed guards in every pawn shop, every bank, every high class retailer, but we can't have armed teachers or school employees? I think it's a sad state of affairs when we say that money and things deserve better protect than women and children. The problem here is that a gun is really not any protection from anything. If you are smarter, you can beat out a gun every time. A gun in the school will do no good because it will have to be locked up well and saftied which makes it of no use for protection. Just as in a home with children. A gun separated from it's bullets is of no protection whatsoever. It is all the old ignorant philosophy given to us by those who were "amazed" by the power of a musket...they might have been smart for their time but not for ours. The gun crazy ideology does us no favors and allows 20 children to be mowed down in their classroom in minutes. It doesn't protect anyone. Ask JFK how those guns surrounding him protected him that day or Reagan or MLK or Bobby Kennedy, etc... They are surrounded by loaded holstered guns and die anyway. It is a fallacy of days gone by... |
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@ ENK Not true but good ole philosophy none the less... Do you watch TV? They got this show, "Hell on Wheels". It's pretty good. Is it on cable? I don't have cable. I haven't heard of it. I can be though
I bet you can. ;) It's like this, a man is only free if he has the power to hold onto his freedom. If you are free, but you can't protect yourself, then how free are you? They got armed guards in every pawn shop, every bank, every high class retailer, but we can't have armed teachers or school employees? I think it's a sad state of affairs when we say that money and things deserve better protect than women and children. The problem here is that a gun is really not any protection from anything. If you are smarter, you can beat out a gun every time. A gun in the school will do no good because it will have to be locked up well and saftied which makes it of no use for protection. Just as in a home with children. A gun separated from it's bullets is of no protection whatsoever. It is all the old ignorant philosophy given to us by those who were "amazed" by the power of a musket...they might have been smart for their time but not for ours. The gun crazy ideology does us no favors and allows 20 children to be mowed down in their classroom in minutes. It doesn't protect anyone. Ask JFK how those gun surrounding him protected him that day or Reagan or MLK or Bobby Kennedy, etc... They are surrounded by loaded holstered guns and die anyway. It is a fallacy of days gone by... I can see we aren't going to agree. You have a nice evening and I'll see you around. ;) |
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@ ENK Not true but good ole philosophy none the less... Do you watch TV? They got this show, "Hell on Wheels". It's pretty good. Is it on cable? I don't have cable. I haven't heard of it. I can be though
I bet you can. ;) It's like this, a man is only free if he has the power to hold onto his freedom. If you are free, but you can't protect yourself, then how free are you? They got armed guards in every pawn shop, every bank, every high class retailer, but we can't have armed teachers or school employees? I think it's a sad state of affairs when we say that money and things deserve better protect than women and children. The problem here is that a gun is really not any protection from anything. If you are smarter, you can beat out a gun every time. A gun in the school will do no good because it will have to be locked up well and saftied which makes it of no use for protection. Just as in a home with children. A gun separated from it's bullets is of no protection whatsoever. It is all the old ignorant philosophy given to us by those who were "amazed" by the power of a musket...they might have been smart for their time but not for ours. The gun crazy ideology does us no favors and allows 20 children to be mowed down in their classroom in minutes. It doesn't protect anyone. Ask JFK how those guns surrounding him protected him that day or Reagan or MLK or Bobby Kennedy, etc... They are surrounded by loaded holstered guns and die anyway. It is a fallacy of days gone by... Ok then, so why don't we take them away from the politicians too? why should they be allowed to have em if they aren't protecting anyone? Either everyone has guns or no one has them, INCLUDING them. To say otherwise is being hypocritical. |
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The gun crazy ideology does us no favors and allows 20 children to be mowed down in their classroom in minutes.
It doesn't protect anyone. Sandy Hook was a gun free zone. That didn't protect anyone either. |
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The gun crazy ideology does us no favors and allows 20 children to be mowed down in their classroom in minutes.
It doesn't protect anyone. Sandy Hook was a gun free zone. That didn't protect anyone either. The difference between Sandy Hook and the assassinations that my lovely new friend mentioned is the number of victims. No policy can stop murders or assassinations, but guns in the hands of the good guys can stop shooting sprees short. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Sun 02/03/13 10:06 PM
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So, where are your sources that prove all your claims?
I read tons of 'sources' and I certainly don't keep a record of every place I get information so I can prove something to you or anyone else.
I read a plethora of sources and I bookmark the more useful and relevant. It's probably my academic background, being able to support my claims. I know, it's a bit odd in Mingleland, where libellous rants are the accepted norm, but on other sites, source citation is just common courtesy. I remember a thread on this very subject, where you vehemently took me to task for not providing a source when in actuality, I had provided it some pages earlier. Since according to Mr.Vance, he is the only 'credible' source, no amount of proof or any other 'source' would make you happy anyway. They would all be "misinformation sources."
You wouldn't be misrepresenting what I posted again, would you? How about you prove that the document, the content and the website are false, and dispense with all this nonsense? It's that simple, put up or shut up as they say. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sun 02/03/13 11:37 PM
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well,isn't this special?
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/convicted-rapist-is-leader-of-ohio-anti-gun-movement/ Convicted Rapist is Leader of Ohio Anti Gun Movement 2013 February 3 Tweet submit to reddit Pin It jerrome-mccorry-02 According to Buckeyefirearms.org, one of the organizers of an anti gun protest at a gun show in Ohio is, in fact, a convicted rapist. In an interview with Dayton Daily News Jerome McCorry made the following statements. “We know that guns are being sold on the floor inside Hara Arena illegally” said Jerome McCorry. “No background checks no identification of any kind.” McCorry said “AK-47s and M16s are not gonna be used for hunting, they’re not going to be used to protect anybody. These are the weapons that are coming back and being used in mass murders and mass killings.” First off we just want to point out that private sales are still legal in most states, none of the weapons in question are fully automatic, no rifle used in a mass shooting has ever been linked to a gun show, the AR-15 is currently the most popular hunting platform in the USA and murders with rifles account for less than 400 deaths a year. OK, now that that’s out of the way. According to Buckeyefirearms.com, the same Jerome McCorry who has given multiple interviews in the media over the years advocating for stricter gun control is in fact the same Jerome McCorry who is listed in the sex offender registry as a convicted rapist. The Dayton Daily News made no mention of McCorry’s criminal past. Read the full article here: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8759 someone must have plugged his Patoot in one of his Forays! 
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Rense.com produced this open letter making some rather emotional and illogical claims: Open Letter to Lt. J. Paul Vance, Spokesman for The Connecticut State Police By Jim Kirwan 12-18-12 This is what Vance said: “One thing is becoming somewhat of a concern and that is ‘MISINFORMATION’ that’s being posted on social media sites. It is important to note that we (the royal we) have discussed with federal authorities that these issues are crimes. They will be investigated statewide and federally and prosecution will take place when people perpetrating this information are identified. Again: All Information relative to THIS CASE is coming from these microphones and any information coming from other sources cannot be confirmed and in many cases, it’s been found that it’s inaccurate. So that’s the newest twist today that we want to make sure that’s perfectly clear that social media websites that contain information relative to this case are NOT being posted by Connecticut State Police, are NOT being posted by the Newtown Police, are NOT being posted by any authorities in this case.” (Blocking of evidence is a CRIME in and of itself - k) “So any of that information and people that are putting that information up there IN ANY MANNER alright that can be construed as a violation of state or federal law, will be prosecuted will be investigated and prosecuted…” (1) You are out-of-line Lieutenant. The American people are not in boot-camp. You are not our Drill Instructor and we are NOT in the military. You do not get to inform the American public as if we are trainees as to what is and is not part of our lives today. or any other day: But especially not when it comes to your massively flawed “investigation” of the crimes that took place last Friday in Sandy-Hook-Elementary school. You can read this Open letter to Lt. Paul Vance here: http://rense.com/general95/oplttrvance.html You, Lt. Vance, are perhaps the worst possible public-representation of what a public-servant is supposed to stand for. You have NO CREDIBILITY. You stand for nothing but the POLICE-STATE at its most corrupt. How DARE you! Now, the information presented to the dupes who follow rense was edited in order to discredit the Police Officer. Note the omission: Well, best I can explain, I'm not a social media expert, I'm not going to claim to be, but there have been indications that there have been quotes by people who are posing as the shooter. You can go on different Facebook pages and find this information out. I know members of the press have. And suffice it to say that the information can, in fact, be -- has, in fact, been deemed as threatening. It's been inaccurate, it's been people posing as other people... And discussing with federal authorities they believe it's a violation of state or federal law and warrants an investigation. Anyone perpetrating that information, could, in fact, be subject to arrest and be prosecuted federally. Now, this is hardly suppressing evidence. More from Lt. Vance: One thing that's becoming somewhat of a concern and that is misinformation is being posted on social media sites. There has been misinformation coming from people posing as the shooter in this case, posing using other I.D.s, mimicking this crime and crime scene and criminal activity that took place in this community. There's been some things and somewhat of a threatening manner. It is important to note that we have discussed with federal authorities that these, these issues are crimes, they will be investigated statewide and federally, and prosecution will take place when people perpetrating this information are identified. Again, all information relative to this case is coming from these microphones and any information coming from other sources cannot be confirmed and, in many cases, it has been found as inaccurate. So, I simply, that's the newest twist today that we want to make sure that's perfectly clear; that social media web sites that contain information relative to this case are not being posted by the Connecticut State Police, are not being posted by the Newtown police, are not being posted by any authorities in this case. So, any of that information and people that are that are putting that information up there in any manner all right, alright, can be construed as a violation of state or federal law will be prosecuted, will be investigated and prosecuted. A full transcript of the media conference that spawned the open letter: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/16/se.02.html So, it would appear that the investigating officer in the Sandy Hook case is not quite the character some would be trying to suggest. |
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The gun crazy ideology does us no favors and allows 20 children to be mowed down in their classroom in minutes.
It doesn't protect anyone. Sandy Hook was a gun free zone. That didn't protect anyone either. The difference between Sandy Hook and the assassinations that my lovely new friend mentioned is the number of victims. No policy can stop murders or assassinations, but guns in the hands of the good guys can stop shooting sprees short. Except good guys do bad things and who decides who is a good guy, if they fear enough to want to carry a weapon, that makes them unreliable in and of itself so a gun in their hands just as dangerous... People are silly...for real |
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