Metal,

I must respectfully disagree. The OP is partially correct. Neil Heslin is a father.

Except this isn't what happens....

You state the fantasy that you accuse me of.

More innocents die from guns than are ever saved from the same gun supposedly being used to save their lives.

That is the truth of the matter

Your fantasy of the gun saving someone is part of the problem.

Gun do not save lives, they kill.

My statement still stands and you are right the militia is not guaranteed anything larger than a bebe gun.

And he was disrespectfully heckled while he made his statement of which the crowd had no right to speak.

You are ignoring the fact that crime RISES in gun free zones, Chicago ring any bells? They have the strictest gun laws around, but it doesn't stop shootings from happening in high numbers does it? Ever asked yourself why? Fact is, when you remove the weapons from those who would use them strictly to defend themselves and their loved ones, you leave them open to attack. They become defenseless and an easy target. That is the truth regardless of what you think about it. Who is a criminal gonna target more likely someone who can defend themselves, or someone who can't? The answer is obvious and the numbers prove it.

Only in your Mind!

That's a LIE!
Disproven many times!
And repeating it,doesn't make your cause more credible!

Newtown Sides with NRA: Votes for Armed Guards In Schools

y John Nolte 1 Feb 2013 post a comment
Alternate headline: "Piers Morgan Hit Hardest."

When the rubber hits the road, when the stark and very real choice is either empty political posturing with useless gun control laws or doing something practical to protect your children, the only people laughing at the NRA are a media determined to protect anything and everything involving Barack Obama. Today the Newtown Board of Education made the only choice any parent can: It voted to put armed guards in its schools:

The vote, for now, only represents a request — it still needs to clear budget and logistical boundaries since the guards would come from the town's police resources as opposed to the school board itself. But the plan 'would put two eyes and ears -- one armed, one unarmed -- at each Newtown school,' reports Bronxville Patch's Davis Dunavin. The guards, officially called school resource officers (SROs), were already a fixture at all Newtown schools in the wake of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, but until this vote they were budgeted only to be a presence at middle and high Schools, according to NBC Connecticut.

The current push for gun controls by The State and its media is nothing more than another front in the relentless culture wars against Red State Americans and Bitter Clingers. None of the proposed laws would have stopped the Sandy Hook murderer, which should tell you everything you need to know.

Meanwhile, in Democrat-run Chicago, there's a Newtown every month. But the only solution to that problem would be admitting harsh gun control laws and liberalism run amok have failed. So the media would rather Chicago's monthly Sandy Hook goes on than ever admit to such an inconvenient truth.

The NRA proposed putting armed guns in schools, and now the school board closest to this tragedy agrees.

Keep laughing and ignoring Chicago, media. You’re only fooling your corrupt selves.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/01/Newtown-Votes-To-Put-Armed-Guards-In-Schools

READ IT AND WEEP!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you continue to tell stories that have been proven to be lies?

We better have DNA tests to confirm that statement.

I stand corrected!

Watch Out, Mr. Homeland Security may get mad at you for thinking they are not doing a good job!

just an addendum to this......you say more innocents die from guns, well when only criminals can have access to them in areas, then there's no one that can defend said innocents. now does that cover all the cases, the accidental shootings and such? no, but.....I can just about guarantee you you put a gun in the hand of a responsible person, and you'll see less innocents die. So a lot of innocent people die from guns, more than those that are saved from them that may be true, but the only reason for that is people are hardly given a chance to save anyone with them in the areas it happens most.

You would give Lawyers fits! Again I wish I had said this too! I applaud you yet again!

FBI Stats: More Murders With Hammers and Clubs Than Rifles

We’ve written again and again that all data goes against the anti-gun crowd. All of it. The UK gun ban failed, the DC gun ban failed, the Australian gun ban failed, the US “gun-free” zones failed, and gun control has failed everywhere else. Now we’re seeing even more and more data pouring in that shows how preposterous the anti-gun crowd is.

According to FBI crime data, for example, more people use hammers and clubs to murder than rifles. So much for an “assault rifle” ban stopping murder. Are they going to ban hammers and clubs next? Don’t give them any ideas… in the UK, they’re trying to ban kitchen knives because their gun ban resulted in 60,000 people being stabbed. Oops.

The only way to understand why gun control always leads to more crime is to understand the nature of what a criminal is. A criminal, by definition, is someone who breaks laws. This means if there is a tool that can be used to commit a crime by a criminal or to stop a crime by a law-abiding citizen, then banning it will only result in the criminal being given an advantage. That’s it. Nothing else. The criminal side of the equation will not give up the gun — because they’re the criminal.

It’s like the old saying: “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns.”

The UK is one of the best examples of how gun control doesn’t reduce crime. They reacted strongly to a public shooting in the late 90s, only to see their violent crime double after a handgun ban. The ban didn’t work. The criminals ignored it. The innocent had to follow it. And the result was a more violent, powerful criminal class. It’s ludicrous to try the same policy here in the US, and yet they keep trying it. Madness.

Two more facts criminals and liberals don’t want you to know:

1. Hands and feet killed more than rifles, according to the FBI.

2. Other weapons are used in a third of murders. Just as many are killed without guns. That’s because you don’t need a gun to murder someone, as all of human history shows us. This is not rocket science for goodness’ sake. Only a historically bankrupt person could believe that murder somehow popped into existence with the invention of the gun.

3. Guns are used in self-defense millions of times per year. You can see an interesting tool here. They’re used to fight animals, frighten away thieves, protection from would-be murderers, and to stop sexual violence. Many, if not most, of these events never make the news and never even make a police report.

In the end, all data obliterates the anti-gun position. Guns prevent crimes, save lives, and help make sure women are able to stop a larger man dead in his tracks. Guns protect property, protect liberty, and provide for the security of a free people. And that’s why we have to fight back against the leftist lies about guns.

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/hammer-murders/

that's another dubious statement by OP!

http://www.cato.org/guns-and-self-defense

Jack Thompson estimates it was three seconds between his back door being kicked in until his bedroom door began opening, and he started shooting. "It's terrifying when you see somebody in your bedroom door," said Thompson, 78, of Brewers. Thompson got off three shots with his Walther .32-caliber semiautomatic about 4 a.m. Monday when the pistol jammed. "Then I was in trouble," Thompson said. He grabbed the loaded 12-gauge shotgun that always lies on his dresser and fired once. "All I could see was the silhouette of him coming in the door," he said of the intruder. Deputy sheriffs found Mitchell Saddoris, 22, of Kirskey lying in a pool of blood on the back porch of Jack and Judy Thompson's home on Oak Grove Church Road minutes later. He had a pistol wound to the abdomen and had taken a shotgun blast to his shoulder. He was going in and out of consciousness. Sheriff Kevin Byars said investigators believe a second person was with Saddoris at the home, but escaped. "Mr. Thompson did exactly what he was allowed to do," Byars said. "There won't be any kind of criminal charges against Mr. Thompson, because he was definitely defending his home." Byars believes the shooting was a burglary gone wrong. The intruders didn't realize the Thompsons had slept with their windows open, and Thompson had time to get his pistol when the couple heard talking and footsteps. Marshall sheriff's detective Matt Hilbrecht said investigators tried to interview Saddoris at Marshall County Hospital, but emergency room staff had put a tube down his throat. Afterward, Saddoris was transferred to Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn., where he was in critical condition and having surgery. Hilbrecht said Saddoris would face robbery, burglary and possibly other charges once released from the hospital, if he survives. "I'm sorry, but I had no other choice," Thompson said of shooting Saddoris, and added, "That's all that saved my life, I guess, was having a weapon." (The Paducah Sun, Paducah, KY, 3/20/12)

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Kendra St. Clair, a 12-year-old at home alone one day during her fall break, called her mother at work to say there was a man repeatedly ringing the doorbell and banging on the door. When no one answered the door, she said he disappeared. St. Clair's mother instructed her daughter to get her .40-cal. Glock pistol and go into a bathroom closet. St. Clair heard him break in through the back door. As the man made his way through her home, 911 dispatchers kept St. Clair on the phone. He was inside the home for approximately six minutes before he made his way to the bathroom where St. Clair was hiding. When she saw the door knob begin to turn, she fired the gun. The 32-year-old intruder was taken into custody after being treated for a gunshot to the chest. (The Oklahoman, Durant, OK, 10/20/12)

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Scott Stith was in his bedroom when he heard a loud crash coming from the first floor of his home. He grabbed his .45 cal. pistol and crept downstairs to investigate. He spotted the silhouette of a man, but did not fire because he had teenage sons in the house and was not 100 percent sure of his target. He called out only to discover the man was an intruder who had broken through the glass of the back door. Stith held the 29-year-old intruder at gunpoint until police arrived. Everyone involved was reportedly unharmed. (Sandusky Register., Milan, OH, 9/29/12)

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I suppose none of these saved their own lives or lives of family members then? They must be gun toting loonies that want to protect their 2nd Amendment right just because it's there.

I can find plenty of other examples.

The part in bold .... That's Gun Control!!! Proper firearms training.

The story of the 12 year old girl brings tears to my eyes. I am grateful she wasn't left defenseless.