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Come on, it wasn't difficult. Having marked a few papers in my time, I've an eye for it. I'm not talking about the NIST report. So what 109 page report were you recommending we waste our time with? How about you read the thread? I see you've pre-judged it without even reading it. You reached a conclusion and any evidence that may contradict that must have no value. If only I could get away with such sloppy methodology. On your claims regarding the NIST report. It is not easily refuted and the best any truther scientist has been able to come up with is disputing minutiae which doesn't alter the report's conclusion. There is one being scrutinised on JREF as we speak and the scientist offered it to them for critiquing. This paper is one of many attempts to discredit the NIST report, but none have succeeded to reach alternative conclusions. Please, offer a paper discrediting the NIST for scrutiny, but the chances are I've seen it and its peer review. So, basically you're unaware of the lack of evidence surrounding the truther claims? What I said had nothing to do with any "truther claims", so why should I be concerned with whatever unprovable evidence they purport to have? So, whose claims are you citing? After all, the conspiracy theories in discussion on this thread are attributable to the truther movement. So, if not using the populist theories promulgated by truthers, you must've reached a conclusion based on available evidence from someone or somewhere? Your proof does NOT prove the existence of some Cabal/Illuminati/Freemason/Catholic Star Chamber/Reptilian group ruling the planet. I grew out of this comic book crap in the 1980's when I realised that I had a brain. Your so-called evidence doesn't prove their existence whatsoever. These points you posted may confirm your paranoia or bias/prejudice, but that is about it. Yeah, you're right…documented evidence of fraud on a massive scale doesn't prove that it was done by reptilians…just your run-of-the-mill criminal banksters who control the economy & governments of almost the entire planet. Nothing to see here…move along…LMAO Documented evidence of fraud is only that: evidence of fraud. Because you choose to extrapolate beyond that does not constitute a logic failure on my part. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? Higher production values with more dramatic impact? (Just guessing) Hmm...guessing? Try logic. ...the logic is just too stupid to even give it credence. Oh don't be so hard on yourself. Anybody might miss the fact that a "nation under attack" has a MUCH stronger impact on the public mind than a simple terrorist bombing. The terrorist bombing would have been the last straw anyway in light of the previous attacks. I take it you're aware of the escalation of Al-Qaeda attacks since 1993? The destruction of the Twin Towers from a bombing attributed to Al-Qaeda would've been more than sufficient for some 'False Flag' scenario. My point still stands. ...which along with the anomalies and improbable rationalizations, proves beyond a reasonable doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. Based on that statement, in the event you are called upon for Jury Service, please refuse, in the interests of justice being served. Don't worry; the jury selection process almost always includes intelligent critical thinkers & skeptics. FTFY. |
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Questions from Hotrod: If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.' The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. Hotrod, If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. here, this for you JB, since you seem to want to talk about it in every forum... http://www.blacklistednews.com/Who_Runs_The_World%3F_Solid_Proof_That_A_Core_Group_Of_Wealthy_Elitists_Is_Pulling_The_Strings/23927/0/38/38/Y/M.html |
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Questions from Hotrod: If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.' The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. Hotrod, If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. here, this for you JB, since you seem to want to talk about it in every forum... http://www.blacklistednews.com/Who_Runs_The_World%3F_Solid_Proof_That_A_Core_Group_Of_Wealthy_Elitists_Is_Pulling_The_Strings/23927/0/38/38/Y/M.html actually it is these two!  Dangerous Criminals and Usurpers of Democracy! |
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Questions from Hotrod: If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.' The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. Hotrod, If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. here, this for you JB, since you seem to want to talk about it in every forum... http://www.blacklistednews.com/Who_Runs_The_World%3F_Solid_Proof_That_A_Core_Group_Of_Wealthy_Elitists_Is_Pulling_The_Strings/23927/0/38/38/Y/M.html actually it is these two! Dangerous Criminals and Usurpers of Democracy! so, what are we going to do today brain? |
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Questions from Hotrod: If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.' The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. Hotrod, If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. here, this for you JB, since you seem to want to talk about it in every forum... http://www.blacklistednews.com/Who_Runs_The_World%3F_Solid_Proof_That_A_Core_Group_Of_Wealthy_Elitists_Is_Pulling_The_Strings/23927/0/38/38/Y/M.html actually it is these two! Dangerous Criminals and Usurpers of Democracy! so, what are we going to do today brain? Going to take over the world! We are the Elite! 
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i heard the elite didn't like the WTC buildings... they thought they were ugly and did the whole 911 scenario as a way to remove an eyesore from NYC...
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Edited by
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How about you read the thread? I see you've pre-judged it without even reading it. How can I pre-judge it without reading it? I don't even know what it's about. I thought you were referring to the NIST report, but now have no idea what it was about. Does the report explain how building 7 fell as it did at free-fall accelleration? If so, does it talk about how the demolition was accomplished? (That's the only way I'm aware of that building seven could have possibly fallen the way it did.) On your claims regarding the NIST report. It is not easily refuted First off, I made NO CLAIMS regarding the NIST report. I only said it was easily refuted (You should know that a single falsification is all that's required to blow a theory to smithereens) and the falsification of the NIST report is right there in the video of it falling. I even provided links to the refutation, which I see you didn't bother to watch. Please, offer a paper discrediting the NIST for scrutiny, but the chances are I've seen it and its peer review. I doubt it, since you didn't even comment on the refutation I DID provide. So, whose claims are you citing? You just don't get it do you? My default position is that of a skeptic. It is YOU who must prove to ME that the official story is true. I know it's an uphill battle for you, but maybe you're good with statistics, so I'll let you answer a few questions for me: 1) What is the probability that an international newscaster would announce the falling of building 7 several minutes before it fell? 2) What is the probability of building 7 falling with free fall acceleration as it did without all the supports failing completely and simultaneously as they would in a controlled demolition? 3) What is the probability of terrorist planes flying into the twin towers at exactly the same time that a NORAD a security drill depicting the very same scenario is going on? 4) What is the probability of an idiot like Bush exhorting people not to fall for crazy conspiracy theories immediately after the event, before there was even time to produce any? (OK…That one is pretty high…The man IS an idiot after all.) 5) What is the probability of the militarily mightiest nation on earth being at first so incredibly inept that doing something about the planes attacking it looked like a Keystone Kops chase scene, and then IMMEDIATELY after, being so talented and brilliant that within a few hours could state with confidence exactly who did what when and to whom, to the point that the entire attack scenario was figured out and all the perps pinpointed, when an investigation like that would NORMALLY have taken months or years to piece together AFTER poring scrupulously over the intelligence and forensic evidence (evidence which they didn't even bother with and sold & shipped to China for scrap steel within a few days...which is in itself a crime!)? 6) If the country had actually been under attack, what is the probability that Bush would not have been immediately scooped from the classroom to be moved ASAP to a safer and undisclosed location (in keeping with the Secret Service's avowed policy of protecting the President's life? 7) What is the probability of a bunch of greedy lying losers that we know politicians to be, not concocting a cock & bull story to hide their treason against the American people? I have a LOT more questions regarding these statistically unlikely scenarios, but these should do for the moment. Taking from just this set of improbable probabilities, what is the product of probabilities? I don't even have to do the calculations to say with enough confidence to convince any reasonable man that the official story of 9/11 is a pile of stuff that rightly belongs in a cattle pasture. if not using the populist theories promulgated by truthers, you must've reached a conclusion based on available evidence from someone or somewhere? I was never out to prove what I thought really happened to anyone. You know that's an impossible task. It is MUCH easier to DISPROVE something with a single falsification, so all I've done is to see the official story as the least likely conspiracy theory of the bunch. IMO, 9/11 being an attack by interplanetary reptilian aliens is a much more likely explanation than the crap we've been fed by the government and its compliant Geobbellian media. Of course, if you really believe the official ******** story you are more than welcome to try to convince me of its truth. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Are you saying that crooked banksters exist is an extraordinary claim? Are you saying that documented fraud in the Billions or trillions of dollars doesn't constitute extraordinary evidence of criminal banker activities? I take it you're aware of the escalation of Al-Qaeda attacks since 1993? I'm also aware that Al Qaida was an American creation used to justify attacks in various parts of the world to achieve American foreign policy objectives. The destruction of the Twin Towers from a bombing attributed to Al-Qaeda would've been more than sufficient for some 'False Flag' scenario. Apparently some of the crooks in the administration didn't think so. Maybe the flop in 1993 taught them to be more dramatic and not to rely on a simple terrorist bombing. Don't worry; the jury selection process almost always excludes intelligent critical thinkers & skeptics. Don't worry; the jury selection process almost always includes intelligent critical thinkers & skeptics. …FTFY No you didn't… Obviously you are not familiar with the jury selection process. The side with the weaker case will alway try to exclude logical dispassionate thinkers in favour of people more easily persuaded by emotional/rhetorical arguments. i heard the elite didn't like the WTC buildings... they thought they were ugly and did the whole 911 scenario as a way to remove an eyesore from NYC... …and to make a few bucks on the side. Netanyahoo's buddy Silverstein made a fortune on the asbestos-ridden derelicts he'd only just bought. |
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i heard the elite didn't like the WTC buildings... they thought they were ugly and did the whole 911 scenario as a way to remove an eyesore from NYC... …and to make a few bucks on the side. Netanyahoo's buddy Silverstein made a fortune on the asbestos-ridden derelicts he'd only just bought. you, best and JB should have a nice chat about that... the elite, 911, and jews all in one topic... pretty much sums it up for yall.... |
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i heard the elite didn't like the WTC buildings... they thought they were ugly and did the whole 911 scenario as a way to remove an eyesore from NYC... …and to make a few bucks on the side. Netanyahoo's buddy Silverstein made a fortune on the asbestos-ridden derelicts he'd only just bought. you, best and JB should have a nice chat about that... the elite, 911, and jews all in one topic... pretty much sums it up for yall.... |
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i heard the elite didn't like the WTC buildings... they thought they were ugly and did the whole 911 scenario as a way to remove an eyesore from NYC... …and to make a few bucks on the side. Netanyahoo's buddy Silverstein made a fortune on the asbestos-ridden derelicts he'd only just bought. you, best and JB should have a nice chat about that... the elite, 911, and jews all in one topic... pretty much sums it up for yall.... Who said anything about JOOS? I only mentioned the guy who bought the twin towers and one of his politically connected friends. It isn't my fault those crooks happen to be Jewish. Are you guys contending that the global elite is "JOOS"? If so, I have to disagree. |
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i heard the elite didn't like the WTC buildings... they thought they were ugly and did the whole 911 scenario as a way to remove an eyesore from NYC... …and to make a few bucks on the side. Netanyahoo's buddy Silverstein made a fortune on the asbestos-ridden derelicts he'd only just bought. you, best and JB should have a nice chat about that... the elite, 911, and jews all in one topic... pretty much sums it up for yall.... Who said anything about JOOS? I only mentioned the guy who bought the twin towers and one of his politically connected friends. It isn't my fault those crooks happen to be Jewish. Are you guys contending that the global elite is "JOOS"? If so, I have to disagree.  And it isn't the first time either! Just read the other Threads on the matter! If in doubt and run out of Argument,bring in Israel and the Jews! Worked in the Thirties,so why not now!  As Frederik of Prussia once said:"Ich Kenne Meine Papenheimer"! |
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If in doubt and run out of Argument,bring in Israel and the Jews! Gee...That's a pretty slick trick! I'll have to remember that if I ever run out of argument.
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If in doubt and run out of Argument,bring in Israel and the Jews! Gee...That's a pretty slick trick! I'll have to remember that if I ever run out of argument. Come on fellows you can do better than that. Then government officials who were called to testify before the 911 commission included: George W. Bush - President; testimony not under oath. The session was not officially transcribed because the White House considered it a "private meeting" in which highly classified information would be discussed. Asked to limit the length of testimony to one hour (However, the meeting lasted for three hours and ten minutes). Testimony took place in the Oval Office. Initially, Bush insisted that he testify only to the Chairman and Vice Chairman of the commission, but later agreed to testify before the full panel.[11] Dick Cheney - Vice President; testimony not under oath. The session was not officially transcribed because the White House considered it a "private meeting" in which highly classified information would be discussed. Testimony took place in the Oval Office.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission Why bother to testify if your not going under oath? Lets make it simple for those who are well, simple. It is so you can LIE. |
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If in doubt and run out of Argument,bring in Israel and the Jews! Gee...That's a pretty slick trick! I'll have to remember that if I ever run out of argument. Never fails in these Threads! |
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If in doubt and run out of Argument,bring in Israel and the Jews! Gee...That's a pretty slick trick! I'll have to remember that if I ever run out of argument. Come on fellows you can do better than that. Then government officials who were called to testify before the 911 commission included: George W. Bush - President; testimony not under oath. The session was not officially transcribed because the White House considered it a "private meeting" in which highly classified information would be discussed. Asked to limit the length of testimony to one hour (However, the meeting lasted for three hours and ten minutes). Testimony took place in the Oval Office. Initially, Bush insisted that he testify only to the Chairman and Vice Chairman of the commission, but later agreed to testify before the full panel.[11] Dick Cheney - Vice President; testimony not under oath. The session was not officially transcribed because the White House considered it a "private meeting" in which highly classified information would be discussed. Testimony took place in the Oval Office.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission Why bother to testify if your not going under oath? Lets make it simple for those who are well, simple. It is so you can LIE. |
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If in doubt and run out of Argument,bring in Israel and the Jews! Gee...That's a pretty slick trick! I'll have to remember that if I ever run out of argument. Come on fellows you can do better than that. Then government officials who were called to testify before the 911 commission included: George W. Bush - President; testimony not under oath. The session was not officially transcribed because the White House considered it a "private meeting" in which highly classified information would be discussed. Asked to limit the length of testimony to one hour (However, the meeting lasted for three hours and ten minutes). Testimony took place in the Oval Office. Initially, Bush insisted that he testify only to the Chairman and Vice Chairman of the commission, but later agreed to testify before the full panel.[11] Dick Cheney - Vice President; testimony not under oath. The session was not officially transcribed because the White House considered it a "private meeting" in which highly classified information would be discussed. Testimony took place in the Oval Office.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission Why bother to testify if your not going under oath? Lets make it simple for those who are well, simple. It is so you can LIE. Not really grasping at straws Mr Conrad you see here in america well at least the america I grew up in we believe in democracy and honesty from our government but ever since the neocons and globalists hijacked it we have to fight for it. One would think that the biggest failure in US history would at least have an honest accounting. We owe it to the vets who served and died and to the countless innocents we slaughtered over 911m the trillions we spent to commit these crimes. What would the people in your country demand? |
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You just don't get it do you? My default position is that of a skeptic. It is YOU who must prove to ME that the official story is true. I know it's an uphill battle for you, but maybe you're good with statistics, so I'll let you answer a few questions for me: 
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If in doubt and run out of Argument,bring in Israel and the Jews! Gee...That's a pretty slick trick! I'll have to remember that if I ever run out of argument. As if Israel and "the Joos" don't even exsist..... A Jew owned all of the world trade center buildings, and he made out quite well with insurance, which by the way covered acts of terrorism. Hey if a Jew is a criminal, you can't arrest him right? Why? Because you might be called anti-Semitic. I don't believe in Jews anymore. They don't exist. |
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Questions from Hotrod: If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? It is important to be able to distinguish between 'the government' and the Elite Cabal or 'club' that uses their power, influence and wealth to install said 'governments.' The wealthy install the governments. The wealthy contribute millions to the campaigns and election results and many of the electronic voting machines are owned by convicted felons. It has been testified to in court that these machines have been tampered with. Elections themselves are fixed and manipulated by the Elite. Now to answer your question, 'the government' did not plan and execute the attack on 9-11. But 'the government' (being a tool of the Elite) was complicit in the attacks. This does not mean every single politician was involved, but key people were complicit. The operation is always on a need to know basis and was carried out as black operations. Of course details like the 'dancing Jews' were just screw ups. They were Mossad and yes, they were 'documenting' the event for their masters.... the Elite. WTC 7 and all of the buildings were owned by the same person or company. There were many reasons for the operation most of them were financial. It all has to do with gaining power, and a tyrannical control. What a load of speculative and unsubstantiated nonsense. Hotrod, If you can't comprehend who the real criminals are, your world view can't possibly be accurate. Just look at where the money came from in the last two presidential campaigns. In order for the installed puppet government of the elite to justify taking away our liberty in exchange for our safety, there has to be some terrible enemy. (War on drugs, war on terror, Bin Laden, Saddam,) I personally get tired of them telling me who my enemy is while they rob me and the public of everything. But the people are beginning to realize who that 'terrible enemy' is. Here is an example: Goldman Sachs has a derivative exposure of $44.192 Trillion dollars. Goldman Sachs has advantage over other banks because it has awesome connections in US Government. A lot of former Goldman employees hold high-level US Government positions. Mitt Romney's top donor is Goldman Sachs, and one of Obama's best donors. Ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson became the Secretary of Treasury under Bush and during the 2008 financial crisis authored the TARP bill demanding $700 billion bail-out. In UK, Goldman Sachs escaped £10 million bill on a failed tax avoidance scheme with help of good connections. The bank is the largest player in the food commodities market, earned $955m from food speculation in 2009" - That's your $$$. Goldman Sachs employees are arming themselves with guns in case there is a populist uprising against the bank. Goldman Sachs calls their investors "muppets". and use clients to make money for themselves, disregarding the clients. The bank was fined $22 million for sharing valuable nonpublic information with top clients (Think insider trading with best clients). Goldman Sachs was part-owner America's leading website for prostitution ads until the ownership stake was exposed. Goldman Sachs helped Greece conceal its debt with secret loans, while simultaneously taking advantage of Greece. Goldman Sachs got a $814 billion SECRET bailout from the Federal Reserve during the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs got $10 billion of the 2008 TARP bailout, and in the same year paid $10.9 billion in employee compensation and "benefits", while paying a tax rate of 1%. That means an average of $327,000 to each Goldman Sach's employee. I comprehend much more than you think and I've been reading this theory wrapped up in several guises since the 1970's. Your so-called proof does NOT prove the existence of some Cabal/Illuminati/Freemason/Catholic Star Chamber/Reptilian group ruling the planet. I grew out of this comic book crap in the 1980's when I realised that I had a brain. These points you posted may confirm your paranoia or bias/prejudice, but that is about it. I comprehend your world view (despite you assertions, it's not difficult), but I don't believe it. I'm not in the business of coming up with a hypothesis and searching around for titbits that may or may not confirm it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and no-one EVER supplies that. I know people want simple explanations to complex situations, but the world isn't like that, and realising it isn't how we'd like it to be and then accepting it is just a part of growing as a person. That doesn't mean we don't speak against injustice, but by God, when we do, we should identify the said injustice without room for doubt. Now, getting back to my point that judging by your irrelevant response, you completely misunderstood. Let's try it again: If 'the government' was really going to use explosives to take down the WTC, why not do so and blame it on the Al Qaeda anyhow? Why introduce aircraft hijackings, 'dancing Jews', WTC7 et cetera? Now, I'll go through it again. Now, if da gubbmint really wanted to blow up the World Trade Centre in order to create a so-called 'False Flag' operation, why bother using planes? Just blow it up and blame AL-Qaeda. There was no need to use planes because UBL had already attempted to bring them down in 1993. Just make it look like he succeeded. Bush/Cheney whoever your bogeyman might be didn't need to go to such lengths, nor did they need to damage the Pentagon and cause a plain crash in a field. And on and on it goes...the logic is just too stupid to even give it credence. Just blow it up and be done with it. "No, we'll devise a crazy scenario that could be exposed at any time by using thousands of participants who are all completely loyal to us." Yeah, right.... http://web.archive.org/web/20120119212000/http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/42181 Seriously? First you are assuming "da gubbmint" (the government) is behind the 9-11 attack. Wrong. Then you rationalize your point of view by asking "why bother to use planes?" as if that logic proves or disproves something. You think they can "just blow it up and blame AL-Qaeda"?? Really? Because as so many of you have pointed out, planting explosives takes a lot of time and planning and our invented enemy "AL-Qaeda" (created by the CIA and media hype) was painted as a bunch of third world Arabs living in caves, who could only come up with a lame plot of hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. They aren't supposed to know anything about planting bombs, nor could they have gotten access to those buildings for weeks before the bombing in order to do it. The questions you ask shows your ignorance of the way the world really works. The wealthy elite pretty much own the politicians. "Those who are capable of tyranny are capable of perjury to sustain it." The people responsible for 9-11 are capable of more than perjury. They are desperate at this point, and will stop at nothing to cover up their many crimes. Their crimes are the theft of the real wealth of the world and people, and war crimes and genocide of the worst kind. |
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