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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. |
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ummm... that's a demographic right there...
An entire school of all blacks achieved success... THAT IS A DEMOGRAPHIC. |
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Gee, if msharmony is correct, then I wonder how all of my high school classmates were able to achieve their goals. Here is a group photo from my recent 30-year high school class reunion:  When I was born, my high school was an all-black high school located a few short miles from the site of a race riot that took place in 1921. My black classmates were determined not to let any racism prevent them from achieving their goals, and they didn't. The harsh reality is that a complete elimination of institutional racism doesn't result in economic equality for all. When the playing field is level, there will still be losers because not everyone is equally talented. The fact that you lost and someone else won doesn't imply that the other person had an unfair advantage. again with INDIVIDUALS I am happy for your class DODO but that also does nothing to refute the DEMOGRAPHICS of how wealth and opportunity are tied to race in this country,,, we all 'lose' and 'win' at different points in life, but that is no excuse to avoid attacking those things which 'stack the odds' against some for reasons they have NO CONTROL OVER (their history in the US)  Again, what century are we living in now?
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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. sometimes people with lung cancer no longer smoke, but what would that have to do with them needing to address the cancer the smoking CAUSED? I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either but that has nothing to do with how well AMERICA treats americans,,, |
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A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. um... where in that statement did he specify that the child was African American? Are not Mexican, Arab, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, etc... also minorities??? I think they are... Stop assuming that African Americans are the ONLY minority. |
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Gee, if msharmony is correct, then I wonder how all of my high school classmates were able to achieve their goals. Here is a group photo from my recent 30-year high school class reunion: When I was born, my high school was an all-black high school located a few short miles from the site of a race riot that took place in 1921. My black classmates were determined not to let any racism prevent them from achieving their goals, and they didn't. The harsh reality is that a complete elimination of institutional racism doesn't result in economic equality for all. When the playing field is level, there will still be losers because not everyone is equally talented. The fact that you lost and someone else won doesn't imply that the other person had an unfair advantage. It's easier to say I didn't succeed because of others than to say you didn't succeed because of yourself. Sad thing is some people are raised with this mindset and Thus achieve nothing as they never really try. Those taught they can do anything typically succeed more often. |
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A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. um... where in that statement did he specify that the child was African American? Are not Mexican, Arab, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, etc... also minorities??? I think they are... Stop assuming that African Americans are the ONLY minority. He said minority. The point of reference is the country. Thus in Japan a Japanese is not a minority, but it is hard for say a Filipino to succeed in Japan. I believe this is the point he is making. |
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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. sometimes people with lung cancer no longer smoke, but what would that have to do with them needing to address the cancer the smoking CAUSED? I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either but that has nothing to do with how well AMERICA treats americans,,, you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions. |
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you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions.  You want logic?
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He said minority. The point of reference is the country. Thus in Japan a Japanese is not a minority, but it is hard for say a Filipino to succeed in Japan. I believe this is the point he is making. And I quote A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. Your response: I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either Please show me his mentioning African Americans here or anywhere else in the world. |
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A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. um... where in that statement did he specify that the child was African American? Are not Mexican, Arab, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, etc... also minorities??? I think they are... Stop assuming that African Americans are the ONLY minority. He said minority. The point of reference is the country. Thus in Japan a Japanese is not a minority, but it is hard for say a Filipino to succeed in Japan. I believe this is the point he is making. that is exactly the point.. how are minorities doing in Europe? The British are about to revolt over the numbers of Polish entering the country and taking jobs.. minority status is not exclusive to a single race.. |
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Getting back to the original topic of this thread (Remember it?), I consider it to be quite silly to want to move out of the USA because you don't like the result of a presidential election.
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Getting back to the original topic of this thread (Remember it?), I consider it to be quite silly to want to move out of the USA because you don't like the result of a presidential election. Tell that to 6 million Jews! |
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A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. um... where in that statement did he specify that the child was African American? Are not Mexican, Arab, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, etc... also minorities??? I think they are... Stop assuming that African Americans are the ONLY minority. He said minority. The point of reference is the country. Thus in Japan a Japanese is not a minority, but it is hard for say a Filipino to succeed in Japan. I believe this is the point he is making. and so should institutional racism against that minority also be ignored because of those who succeed in spite of it,,? |
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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. sometimes people with lung cancer no longer smoke, but what would that have to do with them needing to address the cancer the smoking CAUSED? I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either but that has nothing to do with how well AMERICA treats americans,,, you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions. what 'people'? if a government set up a foundation that disproportionately disenfranchised and segregated an ENTIRE POPULATION of people, than that GOVERNMENT should be held accountable for setting straight those past injustices |
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He said minority. The point of reference is the country. Thus in Japan a Japanese is not a minority, but it is hard for say a Filipino to succeed in Japan. I believe this is the point he is making. And I quote A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. Your response: I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either Please show me his mentioning African Americans here or anywhere else in the world. the word 'minority' in america generallay refers to either blacks or hispanics but I will play the game,,, Im not sure if 98 percent of the world would not give the same opportunity to that hcild,,,, |
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Getting back to the original topic of this thread (Remember it?), I consider it to be quite silly to want to move out of the USA because you don't like the result of a presidential election. it would be silly, not so much though if you dont like the direction the CULTURE is going and to me, electing Romney, would be an indicator of a culture which is leaning towards favoring plutocracy,,,, of course Im not gonna move the day after, I would give some time to see if I am wrong about that direction,,,,, |
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A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. um... where in that statement did he specify that the child was African American? Are not Mexican, Arab, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, etc... also minorities??? I think they are... Stop assuming that African Americans are the ONLY minority. He said minority. The point of reference is the country. Thus in Japan a Japanese is not a minority, but it is hard for say a Filipino to succeed in Japan. I believe this is the point he is making. that is exactly the point.. how are minorities doing in Europe? The British are about to revolt over the numbers of Polish entering the country and taking jobs.. minority status is not exclusive to a single race.. agreed but I am an african american in america concerned with whats going on with AMERICAS minority race,,, |
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I'm not going anywhere, no matter who wins. This is my country. As Americans, we have to be willing to fight from within, too.
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I'm not going anywhere, no matter who wins. This is my country. As Americans, we have to be willing to fight from within, too. I respect that position too, good luck,, |
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