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but I am an african american in america concerned with whats going on with AMERICAS minority race,,, MsH, we may not agree on much of anything, we may scrap like 2 dogs over a bone, but aside from all that, you're always welcome in this white boys home. If respect is given, it will be returned in kind here, no matter the color or origin. I don't buy into the hate, only the reality, and not all reality is good or equal, in any person. I value respect as the measure of character. |
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I'm not going anywhere, no matter who wins. This is my country. As Americans, we have to be willing to fight from within, too. Germany (as related by the historians) before Hitlers brown shirts and the police state, was a beautiful, democratic country. The Germans were kind, loving, happy people, as were the Jews who lived among them. Nobody would have believed a nation so gullible as to allow the actions of Hitlers regime. It didn't happen over night. It started with the school system, then business, then local leaders, the media..... Wow! Doesn't that sound familiar?! |
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you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions.  You want logic? mingle is devoid of logic in most cases.. |
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you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions. You want logic? mingle is devoid of logic in most cases.. Like reality TV and Wash DC |
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but I am an african american in america concerned with whats going on with AMERICAS minority race,,, MsH, we may not agree on much of anything, we may scrap like 2 dogs over a bone, but aside from all that, you're always welcome in this white boys home. If respect is given, it will be returned in kind here, no matter the color or origin. I don't buy into the hate, only the reality, and not all reality is good or equal, in any person. I value respect as the measure of character. I agree, I have no personal prejudgements about anyone, I am discussing the INSTITUTIONAL affects of INSTITUTIONAL racism,,,, |
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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. sometimes people with lung cancer no longer smoke, but what would that have to do with them needing to address the cancer the smoking CAUSED? I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either but that has nothing to do with how well AMERICA treats americans,,, you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions. what 'people'? if a government set up a foundation that disproportionately disenfranchised and segregated an ENTIRE POPULATION of people, than that GOVERNMENT should be held accountable for setting straight those past injustices it is not the same government. a war was waged. the constitution was amended. laws were enacted specifically to address past indiscretions. you need to be specific on your remedies beyond all that has already been done.. expecting the government of today to answer for the government of 150 years ago, especially since slavery was institutionalized by the British long before we became independent, for what happened is not the answer.. |
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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. sometimes people with lung cancer no longer smoke, but what would that have to do with them needing to address the cancer the smoking CAUSED? I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either but that has nothing to do with how well AMERICA treats americans,,, you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions. what 'people'? if a government set up a foundation that disproportionately disenfranchised and segregated an ENTIRE POPULATION of people, than that GOVERNMENT should be held accountable for setting straight those past injustices it is not the same government. a war was waged. the constitution was amended. laws were enacted specifically to address past indiscretions. you need to be specific on your remedies beyond all that has already been done.. expecting the government of today to answer for the government of 150 years ago, especially since slavery was institutionalized by the British long before we became independent, for what happened is not the answer.. this is not BRITAIN this is USA and up until 50 years ago opportunities were not EQUAL and wealth adn resources were not EQUALLY available to be obtained I expect the government to care about its people, ALL its people, and to work towards making sure ALL Its people truly have as level a playing field as is possible in a country where MONEY is power, that means addressing the ways that INSTITUTIONALLY, minorities have not been able to obtain the WEALTH or, therefore, POWER,,,,to be equally represented,, |
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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. sometimes people with lung cancer no longer smoke, but what would that have to do with them needing to address the cancer the smoking CAUSED? I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either but that has nothing to do with how well AMERICA treats americans,,, you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions. what 'people'? if a government set up a foundation that disproportionately disenfranchised and segregated an ENTIRE POPULATION of people, than that GOVERNMENT should be held accountable for setting straight those past injustices it is not the same government. a war was waged. the constitution was amended. laws were enacted specifically to address past indiscretions. you need to be specific on your remedies beyond all that has already been done.. expecting the government of today to answer for the government of 150 years ago, especially since slavery was institutionalized by the British long before we became independent, for what happened is not the answer.. this is not BRITAIN this is USA and up until 50 years ago opportunities were not EQUAL and wealth adn resources were not EQUALLY available to be obtained I expect the government to care about its people, ALL its people, and to work towards making sure ALL Its people truly have as level a playing field as is possible in a country where MONEY is power, that means addressing the ways that INSTITUTIONALLY, minorities have not been able to obtain the WEALTH or, therefore, POWER,,,,to be equally represented,, because the slave trade began under british rule, with british ships at the behest of the british landowners and with the approval of the british crown, you cannot simply disregard their complicity in this. by the time we became independent, slavery was already established throughout the world. Doesn't make it right by any means, but it was certainly not only in America and it was the british government that established it.. anyway.. I asked for remedies.. What do you think needs to be done.. and be specific.. |
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Edited by
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be specific..  I'm sorry. I thought I was still reading in the joke section. Good luck wit dat!
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be specific.. I'm sorry. I thought I was still reading in the joke section. Good luck wit dat! |
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My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism? No honest person can deny that there was a time when racism was acceptable and it caused many of the problems minorities had to deal with. BUT.. That level of racism no longer exists. A child born into an american minority community today has the opportunity to succeed. There is still about 98% of the world in which that same child would have zero chance of success being a minority.. That is the true litmus test for equality.. sometimes people with lung cancer no longer smoke, but what would that have to do with them needing to address the cancer the smoking CAUSED? I also dont know that 98 percent of the world would give african americans no chance either but that has nothing to do with how well AMERICA treats americans,,, you are stepping into the gray areas of this discussion.. but this is the real crux of it.. should people that had nothing to do with it be held accountable for it. that is where emotions start getting in the way of logical discussions. what 'people'? if a government set up a foundation that disproportionately disenfranchised and segregated an ENTIRE POPULATION of people, than that GOVERNMENT should be held accountable for setting straight those past injustices it is not the same government. a war was waged. the constitution was amended. laws were enacted specifically to address past indiscretions. you need to be specific on your remedies beyond all that has already been done.. expecting the government of today to answer for the government of 150 years ago, especially since slavery was institutionalized by the British long before we became independent, for what happened is not the answer.. this is not BRITAIN this is USA and up until 50 years ago opportunities were not EQUAL and wealth adn resources were not EQUALLY available to be obtained I expect the government to care about its people, ALL its people, and to work towards making sure ALL Its people truly have as level a playing field as is possible in a country where MONEY is power, that means addressing the ways that INSTITUTIONALLY, minorities have not been able to obtain the WEALTH or, therefore, POWER,,,,to be equally represented,, because the slave trade began under british rule, with british ships at the behest of the british landowners and with the approval of the british crown, you cannot simply disregard their complicity in this. by the time we became independent, slavery was already established throughout the world. Doesn't make it right by any means, but it was certainly not only in America and it was the british government that established it.. anyway.. I asked for remedies.. What do you think needs to be done.. and be specific.. feel free to start another thread and some of those suggestions can be presented this thread was supposed to be about ones 'choice' to move to another country |
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Unfortunately, the time is quickly approaching in that many will want to leave, does not matter which figure head is selected.
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Unfortunately, the time is quickly approaching in that many will want to leave, does not matter which figure head is selected. also true either way, some will be unhappy |
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I dont support Romney or his elitist perspective or vision I will be one doing my best to move if he wins,,,, I laughed really damned hard when I read that. The fact that you don't see all of them as elitists is highly amusing to me..... Ask yourself if there is one member of congress or senate that would hurt even a little bit if they missed three months worth of paychecks. Now think of how much trouble anyone you know would be in if their income stopped for three months....... |
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I dont support Romney or his elitist perspective or vision I will be one doing my best to move if he wins,,,, I laughed really damned hard when I read that. The fact that you don't see all of them as elitists is highly amusing to me..... Ask yourself if there is one member of congress or senate that would hurt even a little bit if they missed three months worth of paychecks. Now think of how much trouble anyone you know would be in if their income stopped for three months....... that is where you are confused my reference to elitist isnt about their income there are poor and struggling americans who have bought into elitist mentality as well my reference to elitist is more about philosophy and attitude towards those who are not members of the 'elite' |
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The only elitist are Caucasians.
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I understand.
All of them are out to be elected so that their political party can have/maintain or achieve power and status. If you think the republicrats or demicons give a crap about you or me........then you are drinking the kool-aid. |
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The are only elitist are Caucasians. I thought everyone new that. more race baiting,,,, yeah, anyway,nothing in my post about caucasians,,, |
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I understand. All of them are out to be elected so that their political party can have/maintain or achieve power and status. If you think the republicrats or demicons give a crap about you or me........then you are drinking the kool-aid. I am a 'democrat' and I care, so its not beyond belief that other individuals care too,, regardless of their political affiliation I dont think Romney is one of them,,,, |
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Hussein an elitist?
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