Topic: Mixed Terms,,,
markc48's photo
Thu 10/04/12 07:30 PM
Need a paddle to stir that?

willing2's photo
Thu 10/04/12 07:40 PM







White devil????

White devil is a derrogatory term extremist negros like kang shabitch and the leader of the Nation of Islam calls Caucasians and Jews.

It doesn't matter where you're from, to them, because of your race, you and all Caucasians are the enemy.


not true at all

white devil does not indicate all whites as devil

anymore than white woman indicates all women are white

More BS.

Farycan was very specific!

I forget. Who said this?? What Extremist group is he with??



that is the NEW BPP,,,,not having to do with FArrakhan, who is rep for the NOI

Are you telling all of us, the leader of the NOI apologized for his white devil comment?


apologized for it ? no



Historic!!!laugh laugh laugh laugh

A straight answer.:wink: smokin

I really think Eugene owes those he called devils an apology.

Think it will ever happen? Maybe when he goes to hell to be with his pedo prophet mohammed. (May his soul burn hotter in hell and all his victims find peace)

Dang! I done went and blasphemed agin.smokin

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/04/12 07:41 PM








White devil????

White devil is a derrogatory term extremist negros like kang shabitch and the leader of the Nation of Islam calls Caucasians and Jews.

It doesn't matter where you're from, to them, because of your race, you and all Caucasians are the enemy.


not true at all

white devil does not indicate all whites as devil

anymore than white woman indicates all women are white

More BS.

Farycan was very specific!

I forget. Who said this?? What Extremist group is he with??



that is the NEW BPP,,,,not having to do with FArrakhan, who is rep for the NOI

Are you telling all of us, the leader of the NOI apologized for his white devil comment?


apologized for it ? no



Historic!!!laugh laugh laugh laugh

A straight answer.:wink: smokin

I really think Eugene owes those he called devils an apology.

Think it will ever happen? Maybe when he goes to hell to be with his pedo prophet mohammed. (May his soul burn hotter in hell and all his victims find peace)

Dang! I done went and blasphemed agin.smokin


sure, those who feel he was talking about them should ask him for an apology

for those which the shoe doesnt fit,,,,thats a different story,,,

willing2's photo
Thu 10/04/12 07:49 PM









White devil????

White devil is a derrogatory term extremist negros like kang shabitch and the leader of the Nation of Islam calls Caucasians and Jews.

It doesn't matter where you're from, to them, because of your race, you and all Caucasians are the enemy.


not true at all

white devil does not indicate all whites as devil

anymore than white woman indicates all women are white

More BS.

Farycan was very specific!

I forget. Who said this?? What Extremist group is he with??



that is the NEW BPP,,,,not having to do with FArrakhan, who is rep for the NOI

Are you telling all of us, the leader of the NOI apologized for his white devil comment?


apologized for it ? no



Historic!!!laugh laugh laugh laugh

A straight answer.:wink: smokin

I really think Eugene owes those he called devils an apology.

Think it will ever happen? Maybe when he goes to hell to be with his pedo prophet mohammed. (May his soul burn hotter in hell and all his victims find peace)

Dang! I done went and blasphemed agin.smokin


sure, those who feel he was talking about them should ask him for an apology

for those which the shoe doesnt fit,,,,thats a different story,,,

The ADL already called him on it. No apology.

Has he found a place to flock his people?

Is his spaceship coming soon?

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/04/12 07:58 PM










White devil????

White devil is a derrogatory term extremist negros like kang shabitch and the leader of the Nation of Islam calls Caucasians and Jews.

It doesn't matter where you're from, to them, because of your race, you and all Caucasians are the enemy.


not true at all

white devil does not indicate all whites as devil

anymore than white woman indicates all women are white

More BS.

Farycan was very specific!

I forget. Who said this?? What Extremist group is he with??



that is the NEW BPP,,,,not having to do with FArrakhan, who is rep for the NOI

Are you telling all of us, the leader of the NOI apologized for his white devil comment?


apologized for it ? no



Historic!!!laugh laugh laugh laugh

A straight answer.:wink: smokin

I really think Eugene owes those he called devils an apology.

Think it will ever happen? Maybe when he goes to hell to be with his pedo prophet mohammed. (May his soul burn hotter in hell and all his victims find peace)

Dang! I done went and blasphemed agin.smokin


sure, those who feel he was talking about them should ask him for an apology

for those which the shoe doesnt fit,,,,thats a different story,,,

The ADL already called him on it. No apology.

Has he found a place to flock his people?

Is his spaceship coming soon?



God bless the ADL

even though they are well intentioned, they tend to be hypersensitive about the jewish population or anything short of PASSIONATE support for it,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/04/12 08:54 PM
Is his spaceship coming soon?


huh



Oh,no. You can't blame extraterrestrials for what you are fussing about. Everyone talked about in this thread (thus) far is an Earth-born and Earth-bred homo-sapien. You will just have to live with the fact that some of you humans are just plain crazy. rant

EmmiSam's photo
Fri 10/05/12 12:53 AM


There's positive and negative in all racial descriptions. But its only really Americans who avoid the word black. And I never understand either why Americans call mixed race people black, that confuses British people. One white Parent? Not black! Mixed race! Maybe it's a British thing but were kind of "state the obvious"



mixed race doesnt truly group a common ancestry, that is why we dont use it as a racial distinction

'mixed' could imply african and irish, or mexican and indian, or indian and irish, or any number of combinations, many which have no common ancestry

most americans , to be truthful have a 'mixed' heritage, but we associate by the heritage that we MOST connect with

I also have scot(white) and west indian ancestry far back , for instance, but noone who saw me commit a crime would ever describe me as white or west indian, they would say it was a black woman

its not as obvious to most black folks what 'black ' is, because we have so much variance in our appearance, because of the historically FORCED mixing many of our ancestors were subjected to

so, the 'obvious' than becomes subjective based upon a persons experience,,,to me it is 'obvious' that mariah carey is black,,not because she has no white ancestry, but because I see more african than white in her when I look at her (Except her skin tone) and because I see features in her that I see in many of my own 'black' family members

,,,basically, race is largely PRESUMED by the observer based on asthetics, and different people have different experiences that ause them to categorize certain asthetics as 'black' and not others

and those who fit neither category can neatly fit in a 'mixed' box

but most , can fit people into one of the boxes offered,,,
U
and most are probably going to have a category they MOST associate with based upon their life experiences and treatment by others,,,

EmmiSam's photo
Fri 10/05/12 12:59 AM


There's positive and negative in all racial descriptions. But its only really Americans who avoid the word black. And I never understand either why Americans call mixed race people black, that confuses British people. One white Parent? Not black! Mixed race! Maybe it's a British thing but were kind of "state the obvious"



mixed race doesnt truly group a common ancestry, that is why we dont use it as a racial distinction

'mixed' could imply african and irish, or mexican and indian, or indian and irish, or any number of combinations, many which have no common ancestry

most americans , to be truthful have a 'mixed' heritage, but we associate by the heritage that we MOST connect with

I also have scot(white) and west indian ancestry far back , for instance, but noone who saw me commit a crime would ever describe me as white or west indian, they would say it was a black woman

its not as obvious to most black folks what 'black ' is, because we have so much variance in our appearance, because of the historically FORCED mixing many of our ancestors were subjected to

so, the 'obvious' than becomes subjective based upon a persons experience,,,to me it is 'obvious' that mariah carey is black,,not because she has no white ancestry, but because I see more african than white in her when I look at her (Except her skin tone) and because I see features in her that I see in many of my own 'black' family members

,,,basically, race is largely PRESUMED by the observer based on asthetics, and different people have different experiences that ause them to categorize certain asthetics as 'black' and not others

and those who fit neither category can neatly fit in a 'mixed' box

but most , can fit people into one of the boxes offered,,,
U
and most are probably going to have a category they MOST associate with based upon their life experiences and treatment by others,,,


But just because one culture deems that you should class yourself as "one thing" based on what you most relate to doesn't mean it is right. My two children are both mixed race. If they called themselves white OR black I would be extremely offended as they are ignoring part of their heritage. When I look at you I do not see an African Americanas you do not display the same physical appearance of Africans. Your facial features are different and your skin tone is lighter. You would not "look like a local" in Africa and so how can you most relate to an African American culture? If you have more than one ethnic heritage then ignoring some and putting yourself in one catatory is ignorant and what breeds racism. I myself am Irish Spanish and English. I do not describe myself as only one, I Proudly include all my cultures. I would expect my children tO do the same.

EmmiSam's photo
Fri 10/05/12 01:00 AM
And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/05/12 02:18 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 10/05/12 02:36 AM



There's positive and negative in all racial descriptions. But its only really Americans who avoid the word black. And I never understand either why Americans call mixed race people black, that confuses British people. One white Parent? Not black! Mixed race! Maybe it's a British thing but were kind of "state the obvious"



mixed race doesnt truly group a common ancestry, that is why we dont use it as a racial distinction

'mixed' could imply african and irish, or mexican and indian, or indian and irish, or any number of combinations, many which have no common ancestry

most americans , to be truthful have a 'mixed' heritage, but we associate by the heritage that we MOST connect with

I also have scot(white) and west indian ancestry far back , for instance, but noone who saw me commit a crime would ever describe me as white or west indian, they would say it was a black woman

its not as obvious to most black folks what 'black ' is, because we have so much variance in our appearance, because of the historically FORCED mixing many of our ancestors were subjected to

so, the 'obvious' than becomes subjective based upon a persons experience,,,to me it is 'obvious' that mariah carey is black,,not because she has no white ancestry, but because I see more african than white in her when I look at her (Except her skin tone) and because I see features in her that I see in many of my own 'black' family members

,,,basically, race is largely PRESUMED by the observer based on asthetics, and different people have different experiences that ause them to categorize certain asthetics as 'black' and not others

and those who fit neither category can neatly fit in a 'mixed' box

but most , can fit people into one of the boxes offered,,,
U
and most are probably going to have a category they MOST associate with based upon their life experiences and treatment by others,,,


But just because one culture deems that you should class yourself as "one thing" based on what you most relate to doesn't mean it is right. My two children are both mixed race. If they called themselves white OR black I would be extremely offended as they are ignoring part of their heritage. When I look at you I do not see an African Americanas you do not display the same physical appearance of Africans. Your facial features are different and your skin tone is lighter. You would not "look like a local" in Africa and so how can you most relate to an African American culture? If you have more than one ethnic heritage then ignoring some and putting yourself in one catatory is ignorant and what breeds racism. I myself am Irish Spanish and English. I do not describe myself as only one, I Proudly include all my cultures. I would expect my children tO do the same.



I dont berate anyones right to call themself whatever they wish,,,although I could call myself WHITE all day long and just be laughed at regardless of whether there are any white ancestors in my bloodline,,its a personal choice

as to what africans look like, that is a common mistake of westerners to put such a small box of asthetics together to fit that definition

in fact AFRICA is a continent, rather large, with a rather large and diverse combination of asthetic features existent upon it

this woman is african




(nigerian)


this woman is african



(kenyan)


this woman is african


(malian)



and these







the common misperception is that africans features are limited to features consisting of thick lips, broad nose , and dark skin


when the continent , in reality, wasnt restricted to such a short list of features at all


being from an african american family with diverse tones and features, perhaps I have more insight into that fact,,,but in the end, its not a major issue

unless or until I commit some crime, or apply to a job, or walk into a store, where someone observing me decides I am 'black'







msharmony's photo
Fri 10/05/12 02:24 AM

And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.


its a common heritage

in the US, for hundreds of years, it was the ruling class that dictated what 'black' was, and that is deeply ingrained in the culture and the history

so, whatever ones actual BIOLOGY, their EXPERIENCE in america will be based more upon their APPEARANCE

African americans have for a long while recognized other african americans, people who share a common AMERICAN experience as having african descendants because they were NOT considered part of the MAJORITY/European descended class


so there is a biological classification, and there is a social classification

in american culture, our experience is based more upon our social classification which is defined by our appearance


many african americans could 'pass' as white, but there was a reason it was ever considered 'passing', because the history dictated that it was less likely for an american to be considered 'white' unless it was clear there was NO african ancestry in them


my own child could 'pass' if she so chose, and that will be her decision when she grows up,,,,I could understand her calling herself white (as much as it may hurt my ego) because she could very well be treated and seen as such in her SOCIAL surroundings and therefore relate to it more

many mixed children, that dont have an 'obvious' non african feature, experience the same obstacles and treatment SOCIALLY that those with 'obvious' african features have, and so when those mixed race kids associate with 'african americans', I dont begrudge them either

that is their AMERICAN experience,,,,

EmmiSam's photo
Fri 10/05/12 03:54 AM


And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.


its a common heritage

in the US, for hundreds of years, it was the ruling class that dictated what 'black' was, and that is deeply ingrained in the culture and the history

so, whatever ones actual BIOLOGY, their EXPERIENCE in america will be based more upon their APPEARANCE

African americans have for a long while recognized other african americans, people who share a common AMERICAN experience as having african descendants because they were NOT considered part of the MAJORITY/European descended class


so there is a biological classification, and there is a social classification

in american culture, our experience is based more upon our social classification which is defined by our appearance


many african americans could 'pass' as white, but there was a reason it was ever considered 'passing', because the history dictated that it was less likely for an american to be considered 'white' unless it was clear there was NO african ancestry in them


my own child could 'pass' if she so chose, and that will be her decision when she grows up,,,,I could understand her calling herself white (as much as it may hurt my ego) because she could very well be treated and seen as such in her SOCIAL surroundings and therefore relate to it more

many mixed children, that dont have an 'obvious' non african feature, experience the same obstacles and treatment SOCIALLY that those with 'obvious' african features have, and so when those mixed race kids associate with 'african americans', I dont begrudge them either

that is their AMERICAN experience,,,,


I'm aware that Africa is a continent. I am also acutely aware of the fact that west Africans have differing facial features aswell as bone structure height and even hair type to those from the east such as Ethiopian, the north such as morrocco and the south such as Zimbabwe. I am more than educated on the differing appearances of not only the African continent, but the other continents also. The American experience is exactly my point. It is the only so called "civilised" country in the world that still bases such an emphasis on what race people are. No where in the western world as you call it is race such a dividing issue as it is in America. And I am not speaking ignorantly, I have visited the US and many other countries many times. Issues that should remain in the past as nothing more than historical lessons are still used as a basis to segregate each race from the other. By both the public and by its government. All I'm saying is that while that may be the American experience, it does not mean it is a good or right one. The only way Americans and America will ever get over its racism is to stop the emphasis on why each individual is different from another. Basing someone's racial description purely on what they look like or what they THInK they look like is ridiculous.

Barack Obama has a white mother, and yet he and the American people as well as its government and media refer to him as black. This is a racist and segratory view born from the values that black people supposedly resent. The idea that once you have any black heritage be it half or whatever, that you are solely "black" is prejudiced. It implies that being black is some kind of affliction that you only need a little of to be entirely distanced from another culture, which is ridiculous. No one is saying you should call yourself white but you do not have to be resigned to any one label regardless of how others do or do not see you. If Barack Obama stood and said "I am not black, I am mixed race" who could argue? Mixtures of any cultures are a beautiful thing and people of mixed heritage should stand proud in that they refuse to fit into a category just because their particular society finds it easier that way.

willing2's photo
Fri 10/05/12 06:40 AM



And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.
This is a racist and segratory view born from the values that black people supposedly resent.

I agree 100%. That term African-American that many American negros want to represent them is a segregationist term. That gets them 'special' privileges.

If an white African who became an American Citizen mailed in an application for 'special' free stuff, he'd get it ib a heartbeat.

If he/she went in in person, they wouldn't want to view him as African-American because, mistakenly, American negros don't view any Caucasian as a minority.

Addedly, if the American negro dropped the African part, they'd just be Americans, lose their 'special' status and all their freebies.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/05/12 09:06 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 10/05/12 09:10 AM



And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.


its a common heritage

in the US, for hundreds of years, it was the ruling class that dictated what 'black' was, and that is deeply ingrained in the culture and the history

so, whatever ones actual BIOLOGY, their EXPERIENCE in america will be based more upon their APPEARANCE

African americans have for a long while recognized other african americans, people who share a common AMERICAN experience as having african descendants because they were NOT considered part of the MAJORITY/European descended class


so there is a biological classification, and there is a social classification

in american culture, our experience is based more upon our social classification which is defined by our appearance


many african americans could 'pass' as white, but there was a reason it was ever considered 'passing', because the history dictated that it was less likely for an american to be considered 'white' unless it was clear there was NO african ancestry in them


my own child could 'pass' if she so chose, and that will be her decision when she grows up,,,,I could understand her calling herself white (as much as it may hurt my ego) because she could very well be treated and seen as such in her SOCIAL surroundings and therefore relate to it more

many mixed children, that dont have an 'obvious' non african feature, experience the same obstacles and treatment SOCIALLY that those with 'obvious' african features have, and so when those mixed race kids associate with 'african americans', I dont begrudge them either

that is their AMERICAN experience,,,,


I'm aware that Africa is a continent. I am also acutely aware of the fact that west Africans have differing facial features aswell as bone structure height and even hair type to those from the east such as Ethiopian, the north such as morrocco and the south such as Zimbabwe. I am more than educated on the differing appearances of not only the African continent, but the other continents also. The American experience is exactly my point. It is the only so called "civilised" country in the world that still bases such an emphasis on what race people are. No where in the western world as you call it is race such a dividing issue as it is in America. And I am not speaking ignorantly, I have visited the US and many other countries many times. Issues that should remain in the past as nothing more than historical lessons are still used as a basis to segregate each race from the other. By both the public and by its government. All I'm saying is that while that may be the American experience, it does not mean it is a good or right one. The only way Americans and America will ever get over its racism is to stop the emphasis on why each individual is different from another. Basing someone's racial description purely on what they look like or what they THInK they look like is ridiculous.

Barack Obama has a white mother, and yet he and the American people as well as its government and media refer to him as black. This is a racist and segratory view born from the values that black people supposedly resent. The idea that once you have any black heritage be it half or whatever, that you are solely "black" is prejudiced. It implies that being black is some kind of affliction that you only need a little of to be entirely distanced from another culture, which is ridiculous. No one is saying you should call yourself white but you do not have to be resigned to any one label regardless of how others do or do not see you. If Barack Obama stood and said "I am not black, I am mixed race" who could argue? Mixtures of any cultures are a beautiful thing and people of mixed heritage should stand proud in that they refuse to fit into a category just because their particular society finds it easier that way.



the issue is not quite as simple, really

if how people look isnt what defines their race, why would those in Britain not consider me african american? but mixed

because all an observer has to go on when decerning ones attributes is their APPEARANCE


why do drag queens get mistaken for women even though their biology is a man? because an observer has NO Way to look into ones actual biology, just like they have no way to know for certain ones ancestral background

and if we were to not assume ancestral background, we should all then be ASSUMED 'mixed' which has no specific ancestral definition like other races do,,,

but that is not the case in this world (western or otherwise), people do assess our ancestry and our gender by our appearance,, and thats not a problem or a bad thing to me

its only when that gender or ancestry causes a presumption of character, that it becomes a problem



btw, when I or others call Obama black, it is because that is the closest description to what his experience has been , he has not been seen as WHITE, or NATIVE, or PACIFIC ISLANDER, or ASIAN,,, for certain, and as I Said before 'mixed' is not a racial classification , its an avoidance of classification

we also call him the first 'black president' because its true that he is the first president with a black parent,, he has a white parent too of course, but that is not a FIRST in terms of the presidency so it is not highlighted in terms of the historical nature of his election,,,


msharmony's photo
Fri 10/05/12 09:12 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 10/05/12 09:13 AM




And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.
This is a racist and segratory view born from the values that black people supposedly resent.

I agree 100%. That term African-American that many American negros want to represent them is a segregationist term. That gets them 'special' privileges.

If an white African who became an American Citizen mailed in an application for 'special' free stuff, he'd get it ib a heartbeat.

If he/she went in in person, they wouldn't want to view him as African-American because, mistakenly, American negros don't view any Caucasian as a minority.

Addedly, if the American negro dropped the African part, they'd just be Americans, lose their 'special' status and all their freebies.



If the american CAUCASIAN would not concern themself so much with continuing to try to dictate what we name ourselves, it may be a great beginning towards true equality,,,


africa is a continent, america is a country, african nor american are RACES but rather nationalities

it is not mutually exclusive to be both african american and an american


willing2's photo
Fri 10/05/12 09:19 AM





And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.
This is a racist and segratory view born from the values that black people supposedly resent.

I agree 100%. That term African-American that many American negros want to represent them is a segregationist term. That gets them 'special' privileges.

If an white African who became an American Citizen mailed in an application for 'special' free stuff, he'd get it ib a heartbeat.

If he/she went in in person, they wouldn't want to view him as African-American because, mistakenly, American negros don't view any Caucasian as a minority.

Addedly, if the American negro dropped the African part, they'd just be Americans, lose their 'special' status and all their freebies.



If the american CAUCASIAN would not concern themself so much with continuing to try to dictate what we name ourselves, it may be a great beginning towards true equality,,,




Reading comprehension 101.

I made reference to a CAUCASIAN from AFRICA who became an AMERICAN citizen.

He go into the NAACP office and want his Africa-American binis, they'd think he wuz nuts.slaphead

Segregationist. I like that term. That's what negros who call themselves African-Americans want and will have.

Special names aren't conducive to equality.

I couldn't type it any slower.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/05/12 09:21 AM






And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.
This is a racist and segratory view born from the values that black people supposedly resent.

I agree 100%. That term African-American that many American negros want to represent them is a segregationist term. That gets them 'special' privileges.

If an white African who became an American Citizen mailed in an application for 'special' free stuff, he'd get it ib a heartbeat.

If he/she went in in person, they wouldn't want to view him as African-American because, mistakenly, American negros don't view any Caucasian as a minority.

Addedly, if the American negro dropped the African part, they'd just be Americans, lose their 'special' status and all their freebies.



If the american CAUCASIAN would not concern themself so much with continuing to try to dictate what we name ourselves, it may be a great beginning towards true equality,,,




Reading comprehension 101.

I made reference to a CAUCASIAN from AFRICA who became an AMERICAN citizen.

He go into the NAACP office and want his Africa-American binis, they'd think he wuz nuts.slaphead

Segregationist. I like that term. That's what negros who call themselves African-Americans want and will have.

Special names aren't conducive to equality.

I couldn't type it any slower.


my reading comprehension has never suffered low scores

neither does it miss the attempt(by a caucasian american) to belittle what others choose to call themself

and I can type it much slower, but that would have nothing to do with how quickly the reader would understand it,,,,

Goofball73's photo
Fri 10/05/12 09:27 AM




There's positive and negative in all racial descriptions. But its only really Americans who avoid the word black. And I never understand either why Americans call mixed race people black, that confuses British people. One white Parent? Not black! Mixed race! Maybe it's a British thing but were kind of "state the obvious"



mixed race doesnt truly group a common ancestry, that is why we dont use it as a racial distinction

'mixed' could imply african and irish, or mexican and indian, or indian and irish, or any number of combinations, many which have no common ancestry

most americans , to be truthful have a 'mixed' heritage, but we associate by the heritage that we MOST connect with

I also have scot(white) and west indian ancestry far back , for instance, but noone who saw me commit a crime would ever describe me as white or west indian, they would say it was a black woman

its not as obvious to most black folks what 'black ' is, because we have so much variance in our appearance, because of the historically FORCED mixing many of our ancestors were subjected to

so, the 'obvious' than becomes subjective based upon a persons experience,,,to me it is 'obvious' that mariah carey is black,,not because she has no white ancestry, but because I see more african than white in her when I look at her (Except her skin tone) and because I see features in her that I see in many of my own 'black' family members

,,,basically, race is largely PRESUMED by the observer based on asthetics, and different people have different experiences that ause them to categorize certain asthetics as 'black' and not others

and those who fit neither category can neatly fit in a 'mixed' box

but most , can fit people into one of the boxes offered,,,
U
and most are probably going to have a category they MOST associate with based upon their life experiences and treatment by others,,,


But just because one culture deems that you should class yourself as "one thing" based on what you most relate to doesn't mean it is right. My two children are both mixed race. If they called themselves white OR black I would be extremely offended as they are ignoring part of their heritage. When I look at you I do not see an African Americanas you do not display the same physical appearance of Africans. Your facial features are different and your skin tone is lighter. You would not "look like a local" in Africa and so how can you most relate to an African American culture? If you have more than one ethnic heritage then ignoring some and putting yourself in one catatory is ignorant and what breeds racism. I myself am Irish Spanish and English. I do not describe myself as only one, I Proudly include all my cultures. I would expect my children tO do the same.



I dont berate anyones right to call themself whatever they wish,,,although I could call myself WHITE all day long and just be laughed at regardless of whether there are any white ancestors in my bloodline,,its a personal choice

as to what africans look like, that is a common mistake of westerners to put such a small box of asthetics together to fit that definition

in fact AFRICA is a continent, rather large, with a rather large and diverse combination of asthetic features existent upon it

this woman is african




(nigerian)


this woman is african



(kenyan)


this woman is african


(malian)



and these







the common misperception is that africans features are limited to features consisting of thick lips, broad nose , and dark skin


when the continent , in reality, wasnt restricted to such a short list of features at all


being from an african american family with diverse tones and features, perhaps I have more insight into that fact,,,but in the end, its not a major issue

unless or until I commit some crime, or apply to a job, or walk into a store, where someone observing me decides I am 'black'









Honestly....Once these pictures were posted I lost all track of the context of this thread. bigsmile laugh

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/05/12 09:28 AM





There's positive and negative in all racial descriptions. But its only really Americans who avoid the word black. And I never understand either why Americans call mixed race people black, that confuses British people. One white Parent? Not black! Mixed race! Maybe it's a British thing but were kind of "state the obvious"



mixed race doesnt truly group a common ancestry, that is why we dont use it as a racial distinction

'mixed' could imply african and irish, or mexican and indian, or indian and irish, or any number of combinations, many which have no common ancestry

most americans , to be truthful have a 'mixed' heritage, but we associate by the heritage that we MOST connect with

I also have scot(white) and west indian ancestry far back , for instance, but noone who saw me commit a crime would ever describe me as white or west indian, they would say it was a black woman

its not as obvious to most black folks what 'black ' is, because we have so much variance in our appearance, because of the historically FORCED mixing many of our ancestors were subjected to

so, the 'obvious' than becomes subjective based upon a persons experience,,,to me it is 'obvious' that mariah carey is black,,not because she has no white ancestry, but because I see more african than white in her when I look at her (Except her skin tone) and because I see features in her that I see in many of my own 'black' family members

,,,basically, race is largely PRESUMED by the observer based on asthetics, and different people have different experiences that ause them to categorize certain asthetics as 'black' and not others

and those who fit neither category can neatly fit in a 'mixed' box

but most , can fit people into one of the boxes offered,,,
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and most are probably going to have a category they MOST associate with based upon their life experiences and treatment by others,,,


But just because one culture deems that you should class yourself as "one thing" based on what you most relate to doesn't mean it is right. My two children are both mixed race. If they called themselves white OR black I would be extremely offended as they are ignoring part of their heritage. When I look at you I do not see an African Americanas you do not display the same physical appearance of Africans. Your facial features are different and your skin tone is lighter. You would not "look like a local" in Africa and so how can you most relate to an African American culture? If you have more than one ethnic heritage then ignoring some and putting yourself in one catatory is ignorant and what breeds racism. I myself am Irish Spanish and English. I do not describe myself as only one, I Proudly include all my cultures. I would expect my children tO do the same.



I dont berate anyones right to call themself whatever they wish,,,although I could call myself WHITE all day long and just be laughed at regardless of whether there are any white ancestors in my bloodline,,its a personal choice

as to what africans look like, that is a common mistake of westerners to put such a small box of asthetics together to fit that definition

in fact AFRICA is a continent, rather large, with a rather large and diverse combination of asthetic features existent upon it

this woman is african




(nigerian)


this woman is african



(kenyan)


this woman is african


(malian)



and these







the common misperception is that africans features are limited to features consisting of thick lips, broad nose , and dark skin


when the continent , in reality, wasnt restricted to such a short list of features at all


being from an african american family with diverse tones and features, perhaps I have more insight into that fact,,,but in the end, its not a major issue

unless or until I commit some crime, or apply to a job, or walk into a store, where someone observing me decides I am 'black'









Honestly....Once these pictures were posted I lost all track of the context of this thread. bigsmile laugh



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willing2's photo
Fri 10/05/12 09:35 AM







And Marian carets mother is Irish so calling her black is like dismissing the woman who carried and have birth to her.
This is a racist and segratory view born from the values that black people supposedly resent.

I agree 100%. That term African-American that many American negros want to represent them is a segregationist term. That gets them 'special' privileges.

If an white African who became an American Citizen mailed in an application for 'special' free stuff, he'd get it ib a heartbeat.

If he/she went in in person, they wouldn't want to view him as African-American because, mistakenly, American negros don't view any Caucasian as a minority.

Addedly, if the American negro dropped the African part, they'd just be Americans, lose their 'special' status and all their freebies.



If the american CAUCASIAN would not concern themself so much with continuing to try to dictate what we name ourselves, it may be a great beginning towards true equality,,,




Reading comprehension 101.

I made reference to a CAUCASIAN from AFRICA who became an AMERICAN citizen.

He go into the NAACP office and want his Africa-American binis, they'd think he wuz nuts.slaphead

Segregationist. I like that term. That's what negros who call themselves African-Americans want and will have.

Special names aren't conducive to equality.

I couldn't type it any slower.


my reading comprehension has never suffered low scores

neither does it miss the attempt(by a caucasian american) to belittle what others choose to call themself

and I can type it much slower, but that would have nothing to do with how quickly the reader would understand it,,,,

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