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TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 10/10/12 06:13 PM
Ok, you are alone in a Subway car around 115th street NYC. The car stops. Sinbad walks in. Are you scared?

indianadave4 Joined Wed 02/09/11 Posts: 1308	Wed 10/10/12 06:33 PM
msharmony, a question: My ancestors are from Sweden and Germany. While I recognize this I never consider myself A Swedish American or German American. I'm American. Since most blacks families have been in this country for at least two hundred years why continue to call themself African Americans? Why not just Black Americans? In a way it puts a divide or distinction between us. Inquiring minds want to know. not to answer a question with a question,, but why should it matter to a white person what a person who is not 'white' calls themself? During the 60's when the black community was finding their roots it was understandable. To maintain this approach sets the tone that they are different than everyone else. Yes, we have differences but our past has caused enough separation. Can't we all live as AMERICANS? Not African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Chinese Americans, Italian Americans? Ethnic terms end up separated one group away from everyone else. Sometimes this African American philosophy puts up a wall and Caucasians are uncomfortable in trying to scale that wall. I am proud of my German/Swedish ancestry. However, I don't use it to define who I am. I'm An American.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Wed 10/10/12 06:41 PM
Ok, you are alone in a Subway car around 115th street NYC. The car stops. Sinbad walks in. Are you scared? Hell no! Sinbad is a decrepit old fart now.

jacktrades Joined Tue 09/11/12 Posts: 4395	Wed 10/10/12 11:44 PM
The comedian of the sailor?

wux Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7426	Thu 10/11/12 08:44 AM
Ok, you are alone in a Subway car around 115th street NYC. The car stops. Sinbad walks in. Are you scared? Depends on where the Dep ends. On its deep end? (Dep is a river in the Belgian Lowlands.) Is that "badass" Sin Bad, or Pop-eye Synbath?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 10/11/12 09:21 AM
Ok. So....hypothetical situation. You are on a subway. You are white male, alone, and you are minding your business. Then, coming through the door and into your train car is a group of guys, all African American, who are dressed as if they are in a gang. Now. You, the white male, believe you are not a racist. But you feel this fear inside for your safety. Even though the group of black men is not threatening you at all, you still feel as if the chance for them to "start something" is high. Why you feel this way? You can't seem to rationalize why. You just know you feel scared. You feel they will see your nice clothes, watch, etc...and will bother you or may hurt you to get it. Oh, and you are the only person in this car (aside from the gang that walked in that put fear in you). Now. Is this just fear for your safety? Would a white male not feel threatened if it were a white gang? Would the white male treat a Mexican gang the same? Or is racism involved here? Profiling? Is it all these things? interesting,,,I think it depends upon what invokes the fear,, the race of the men or their dress if white males dressed the same way would invoke a fear ,than Id say its not racist if white males dressed the same way would not invoke the same fear,, than ID say it is racist,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 10/11/12 09:23 AM
Ok, you are alone in a Subway car around 115th street NYC. The car stops. Sinbad walks in. Are you scared? nope, unless he behaves in an odd or threatening/intimidating manner

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 10/11/12 09:25 AM
msharmony, a question: My ancestors are from Sweden and Germany. While I recognize this I never consider myself A Swedish American or German American. I'm American. Since most blacks families have been in this country for at least two hundred years why continue to call themself African Americans? Why not just Black Americans? In a way it puts a divide or distinction between us. Inquiring minds want to know. not to answer a question with a question,, but why should it matter to a white person what a person who is not 'white' calls themself? During the 60's when the black community was finding their roots it was understandable. To maintain this approach sets the tone that they are different than everyone else. Yes, we have differences but our past has caused enough separation. Can't we all live as AMERICANS? Not African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Chinese Americans, Italian Americans? Ethnic terms end up separated one group away from everyone else. Sometimes this African American philosophy puts up a wall and Caucasians are uncomfortable in trying to scale that wall. I am proud of my German/Swedish ancestry. However, I don't use it to define who I am. I'm An American. the point keeps getting missed, AFrican americans are americans too american is a reference to NATIONALITY African AMerica is a term used to denote RACE and we should be able to 'live' as americans even if we identify ourself as male or female, african american, colored, white , caucasian or whatever I dont see the issue,,,,

Goofball73 Joined Mon 11/05/07 Posts: 33913	Thu 10/11/12 11:19 AM
Ok, you are alone in a Subway car around 115th street NYC. The car stops. Sinbad walks in. Are you scared? Nope. I'd walk up to him, and slap him hard and tell him, "That's for making the movie First Kid".

Torgo70 Joined Fri 06/27/08 Posts: 27387	Thu 10/11/12 12:33 PM
Ok, you are alone in a Subway car around 115th street NYC. The car stops. Sinbad walks in. Are you scared? Nope. I'd walk up to him, and slap him hard and tell him, "That's for making the movie First Kid". Then he would hug you for actually watching it.

indianadave4 Joined Wed 02/09/11 Posts: 1308	Thu 10/11/12 05:59 PM
msharmony, a question: My ancestors are from Sweden and Germany. While I recognize this I never consider myself A Swedish American or German American. I'm American. Since most blacks families have been in this country for at least two hundred years why continue to call themself African Americans? Why not just Black Americans? In a way it puts a divide or distinction between us. Inquiring minds want to know. not to answer a question with a question,, but why should it matter to a white person what a person who is not 'white' calls themself? During the 60's when the black community was finding their roots it was understandable. To maintain this approach sets the tone that they are different than everyone else. Yes, we have differences but our past has caused enough separation. Can't we all live as AMERICANS? Not African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Chinese Americans, Italian Americans? Ethnic terms end up separated one group away from everyone else. Sometimes this African American philosophy puts up a wall and Caucasians are uncomfortable in trying to scale that wall. I am proud of my German/Swedish ancestry. However, I don't use it to define who I am. I'm An American. the point keeps getting missed, AFrican americans are americans too american is a reference to NATIONALITY African AMerica is a term used to denote RACE and we should be able to 'live' as americans even if we identify ourself as male or female, african american, colored, white , caucasian or whatever I dont see the issue,,,, I'm really not trying to disagree or argue with you, please. Maybe it's a "cultural" difference?????? I grew up during the 60's when the black community didn't want any labels. Yes there were the "I'm black and I'm proud" slogans but for the most part most blacks I knew only wanted to be know as a human being and as an American. Perhaps this has changed in younger generations? By the way, because of tensions during the 60's a Caucasian and Black individual would never of had the kind of dialog we have had about this subject. To many walls and a lack of trust between both groups. Believe it or not it's nice to be able to discuss this without causing anger.

wux Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7426	Thu 10/11/12 06:16 PM Edited by wux on Thu 10/11/12 06:18 PM
interesting,,,I think it depends upon what invokes the fear,, the race of the men or their dress if white males dressed the same way would invoke a fear ,than Id say its not racist if white males dressed the same way would not invoke the same fear,, than ID say it is racist,, That's a well-thought out, good answer. Now... being afraid of black widow spiders, but not of black ladies whose husbands are deceased... is that speciesist? Say on one day you meat a gang of one type on the subway, and on another day, the gang of the other type. What woudl be your reaction, and why? Would you be ashamed of your own reaction? ------------- For me, I would be awfully ashamed. I would ask out all the black ladies who had become widowed, and I would get extremely embarrassed when they laugh at me, individually or in groups, when at the proper stage of our relationship, following a nice and kind, respectful courtship, I drop my pants. "yee, haw, Linda, take a load of this... Haha, I would, Jacqueline, but there is no load there... an eartworm would be harder to carry around in my purse... hahaha" and such like.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Thu 10/11/12 07:40 PM
Anyhow, besides Wux's shortcommings, generally you are not afraid of people you are familiar with (whether white, African American, Latino, Asian, etc.) but you are fearful of the unknown. Which is normal, but taken to an extreme its Xenophobia

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48938	Thu 10/11/12 08:11 PM
African AMerica is a term used to denote RACE No, it isn't. It is a term that denotes an ethnic group. The words Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negro denote race.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Thu 10/11/12 08:39 PM
African AMerica is a term used to denote RACE No, it isn't. It is a term that denotes an ethnic group. The words Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negro denote race. I think your textbook may be a little out of date there.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 10/11/12 11:27 PM
msharmony, a question: My ancestors are from Sweden and Germany. While I recognize this I never consider myself A Swedish American or German American. I'm American. Since most blacks families have been in this country for at least two hundred years why continue to call themself African Americans? Why not just Black Americans? In a way it puts a divide or distinction between us. Inquiring minds want to know. not to answer a question with a question,, but why should it matter to a white person what a person who is not 'white' calls themself? During the 60's when the black community was finding their roots it was understandable. To maintain this approach sets the tone that they are different than everyone else. Yes, we have differences but our past has caused enough separation. Can't we all live as AMERICANS? Not African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Chinese Americans, Italian Americans? Ethnic terms end up separated one group away from everyone else. Sometimes this African American philosophy puts up a wall and Caucasians are uncomfortable in trying to scale that wall. I am proud of my German/Swedish ancestry. However, I don't use it to define who I am. I'm An American. the point keeps getting missed, AFrican americans are americans too american is a reference to NATIONALITY African AMerica is a term used to denote RACE and we should be able to 'live' as americans even if we identify ourself as male or female, african american, colored, white , caucasian or whatever I dont see the issue,,,, I'm really not trying to disagree or argue with you, please. Maybe it's a "cultural" difference?????? I grew up during the 60's when the black community didn't want any labels. Yes there were the "I'm black and I'm proud" slogans but for the most part most blacks I knew only wanted to be know as a human being and as an American. Perhaps this has changed in younger generations? By the way, because of tensions during the 60's a Caucasian and Black individual would never of had the kind of dialog we have had about this subject. To many walls and a lack of trust between both groups. Believe it or not it's nice to be able to discuss this without causing anger. I agree, it is not as non pc for people of different races to communicate with each other,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 10/11/12 11:30 PM
African AMerica is a term used to denote RACE No, it isn't. It is a term that denotes an ethnic group. The words Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negro denote race.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Fri 10/12/12 05:37 PM
Msharmony, wonderfull pictures, got anymore?

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Fri 10/12/12 09:17 PM
Ok, you are alone in a Subway car around 115th street NYC. The car stops. Sinbad walks in. Are you scared? Hell no! Sinbad is a decrepit old fart now. and you are a spring chicken?

ThatSmoothD Joined Sat 10/06/12 Posts: 25	Sat 10/13/12 12:21 AM
these terms seem to be used interchangably but they dont actually mean EXACTLY The same thime PREJUDICE: a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge BIGOT" one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance RACIST' one who holds : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race RACE" a: a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics NATIONALITY" b: membership in a particular nation NOTE: my race is African American, my nationality is American, my religion is Christian (Baptist to be more specific) NOTE: All racists are bigots, but not all bigots are racists and not all racists or bigots have to dislike a group they are not a part of, some are self hating racists and bigots have strong PREJUDICES about individuals that are based in some pre conceived and usually bigoted idea about a group There are only two races: 1)The one you strive to win while running and the human race. Therefore, a racist doesn't truly exist. Such are simply hatemongers and possibly segregationists, but not necessarily evolutionists though that could be a fitting term. I'm just saying.