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Topic: 9/11 truth documentary among 'most watched' on PBS
Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 09/09/12 07:17 AM
As are all the posters on this thread.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 09/09/12 07:21 AM
As for "trust you" ill kindly decline, I trust my own instinct, the one that tells me, dont believe nothing the goverment says. THE SCIENTIFIC AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS ALWAYS WRONG! This has been proven over and over again and can be demonstrated with popsicle sticks. Well then ill save the popsicle sticks and await your scientific and engineering analysis to conclude, let me know your results, until then belief is all you have and will continue to have, the facts will remain classified. You believe, I dont, and considering you were not with the scientific community actually involved in their analytical conclusions, you will have to take their word for it. Unless that is your own analysis prove different. Again look up the old posts. That is what they are saying. What you don't know is metalwing is a licensed structural engineer. He has done the math and explained it in great detail in other threads just to have it ignored. All the stuff truthers claim is impossible in the collapse he has proven are possible. Just most people don't have the back ground in physics, strength and materials, etc to really realize what's going on. It is understandable Why he doesn't continue to try to make the argument. unfortunately many people on public forums claim to be experts on this subject. The fact is his so called expertise is one of millions no more credible then the next, fact, THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE KNOWN, WE WILL JUST BELIEVE THAT WHICH COMFORTS OUR CONSCIOUS. BESIDES, EXPERTS SAID THE WORLD WAS FLAT. AHA! If the world is FLAT as you say then how could the twin towers have ever fallen if they were only 2-dimensional? Huh? " If the world is flat as you say?" Where did you read that?

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Sun 09/09/12 07:25 AM
As for "trust you" ill kindly decline, I trust my own instinct, the one that tells me, dont believe nothing the goverment says. THE SCIENTIFIC AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS ALWAYS WRONG! This has been proven over and over again and can be demonstrated with popsicle sticks. Well then ill save the popsicle sticks and await your scientific and engineering analysis to conclude, let me know your results, until then belief is all you have and will continue to have, the facts will remain classified. You believe, I dont, and considering you were not with the scientific community actually involved in their analytical conclusions, you will have to take their word for it. Unless that is your own analysis prove different. Again look up the old posts. That is what they are saying. What you don't know is metalwing is a licensed structural engineer. He has done the math and explained it in great detail in other threads just to have it ignored. All the stuff truthers claim is impossible in the collapse he has proven are possible. Just most people don't have the back ground in physics, strength and materials, etc to really realize what's going on. It is understandable Why he doesn't continue to try to make the argument. unfortunately many people on public forums claim to be experts on this subject. The fact is his so called expertise is one of millions no more credible then the next, fact, THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE KNOWN, WE WILL JUST BELIEVE THAT WHICH COMFORTS OUR CONSCIOUS. BESIDES, EXPERTS SAID THE WORLD WAS FLAT. Chaz is an engineer also. sure he is, as are the rest of the posters here.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 09/09/12 08:05 AM
and they went and regurgitated the Old regurgitated regurgitated regurgitated disproven regurgitated Conspiracy-Theories!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 09/09/12 08:07 AM
Slow, you are indeed slow in catching on, so ill leave you with this fact, Homeland Security does indeed moniter all websights in the US since 911 to moneter potential domestic and international terrorists groups. If you watch television, you are being controled by media, how else do comercials sell you a product. Its called SUBLIMINAL DEDUCTION, check it out, you will learn something new. So you don't think we should monitor domestic and international terrorists? And you think that BOTH the Mouseketeers AND subliminal advertising exercise thought control over you? How can you be sure?! There is only one logical conclusion. YOU ARE ONLY SAYING WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SAY. BETTER BE QUIET OR RISK SPREADING THE CANCER!! I use the tinfoil anti-mouseketeer helmet!! Actually you raise an interesting point on the crucial art of subliminal deduction used in everyda life. Your simplistic analogy useing a cartoon actually represented a subconscious confirmation as to the limited position held, the cartoon has always been used in various forms to influence children to urge parents to submitt to a specific desire or wish. The goverment has always monotored its own citizens. Subliminal influence is often referred to as a stimulus that exists below the threshold of our conscious mind or outside of our conscious awareness. Its an influence that we dont notice. In other words people have no awareness of the stimulus being used which leading towards influencing their motivation and thinking. Its the difference between something that we can process in our conscious mind and something that enters the subconscious mind without any conscious recognition. As for spreading the cancer, most people are alreading infected with the cancer called ignorence and mental slumber. An unfortunate condition most will remain in. Finally the goverment knows the scientific process to condition mental swaying. Our society could not function without it. Political advisores are all masters at subliminal deduction, they understand the mental neutrility the masses maintain. Just watch the presidential advertisments both canidates will use to influence which way you vote. Simple psychology. Too simple. But it definitely explains my cravings for pop tarts, Bratz and Pokemon! I'm going to secure my tinfoil mouse ears and ride them out cold turkey! I completely understand, subjects such as this is somewhat difficult for some. May I suggest a simpler topic, perhaps you can start a new thread more suited for your responce, im sure you will enlighten me as to the relevence of mickey mouse towards this thread. I to do enjoy cartoons, although I usually regulate them to a more less demanding of intellect forum. They are part of the Hollywood subliminal mind control. Without the tinfoil ears one is completely at their mercy. I know this is why most people have to post gibberish they can't help it without the mouse ears. The mylar balloons just aren't as effective. I must concur, "gibberish" is indeed along with cartoon references are mere deflections people use in order to present a premise so as to replace a lack of sound reason and intellgent dialogue. A common tactic often used by people who lack understanding of a subject will often deflect by useing humor and other deflections as a means of ignoring a common shortcoming, lack of understanding and intellect often contribute to those who post "gibberish as a replacement for nothing sound to say. sound reasoning on Conspiracy-Gibberish,that can't stand up to any scientific scrutiny?

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 09/09/12 08:30 AM
Logical deduction if the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. says. "at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” Or The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php This is the reality no spin here. The arguments for the official version of 911 should now be buried and the real version brought forth. no silly photo buckets, no name calling or snide comments lets stick to the facts and if the facts do not fit your argument I ask kindly that you stay out of the topic.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 09/09/12 08:35 AM
Logical deduction if the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. says. "at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” Or The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php This is the reality no spin here. The arguments for the official version of 911 should now be buried and the real version brought forth. no silly photo buckets, no name calling or snide comments lets stick to the facts and if the facts do not fit your argument I ask kindly that you stay out of the topic. what real version? The 99 Conspiracy-Theories that won't and can't hold water?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 09/09/12 08:48 AM
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" is getting public attention and casting doubt on the scientific validity of the U.S. government's investigation into the WTC tragedy. PBS is the first major network to air the program. Just days away from the 11th anniversary of the World Trade Center tragedy and months away from the U.S. presidential election, a game-changing 9/11 documentary is ranking number three among "most watched" documentaries on PBS and number one among "most shared." Available for free online August 18th - September 4th, the documentary could have a significant effect on public opinion. [Update: PBS has extended viewing indefinitely.] Both the Republicans and Democrats, as equally staunch defenders of the official story, stand to be affected if the public's suspicion of government corruption grows deeper. An earlier report on Digital Journal found that the claims made in the documentary can be verified by reading the government reports themselves. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the government agency charged with the investigation, did not provide any data -- no measurements or estimates -- of the mass or energy that would be required to bring down the buildings in about ten seconds. Normally a scientific report would present all the data that is used to construct a theory. The omission of data is a red flag to anyone familiar with scientific procedure. It appears that the investigators may have intentionally produced reports that the scientific community would reject. According to the experts appearing in Explosive Evidence, the scientific community did reject the reports immediately, but it has taken a very long time for this message to reach the public. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the producers of the documentary, have been trying to educate the public for a number of years. The PBS broadcast of their work represents a major step forward for them. While most people have probably heard that a scientific investigation has been conducted and that the building collapses were explained, few have probably looked at the NIST reports themselves. Links to the NIST reports can be found in the above mentioned Digital Journal article. NIST provides no data whatsoever on the actual collapse sequence itself. The new attention to the issue could be significant for the U.S. presidential election. Prior to the publication of the reports in 2005 and 2008, almost half the population was suspicious of the official story of 9/11, according to several opinion polls. Since then the 9/11 tragedy has been used to direct the policies that have led to the enormous increases in military spending and to a loss of civil liberties in the U.S. and worldwide. Like this article559 Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332051#tab=comments&sc=1530297#ixzz25oWsSjMd you mean SOROS-TV,do you?

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 09/09/12 09:03 AM
Logical deduction if the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. says. "at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” Or The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php This is the reality no spin here. The arguments for the official version of 911 should now be buried and the real version brought forth. no silly photo buckets, no name calling or snide comments lets stick to the facts and if the facts do not fit your argument I ask kindly that you stay out of the topic. what real version? The 99 Conspiracy-Theories that won't and can't hold water? When those who wrote the 911 report claim they were lied to and misled all the arguments for the "official version" become absurd. I am not privy to any classified data and nor are you or anyone on this website. All I really know is the official version is a vile pack of lies used to take this country to war and kill hundreds of thousands and bankrupt it as well. Every day more and more people are saying this as is evident in the great number of people who chose to watch this documentary on PBS. I would suggest you do the same.

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Sun 09/09/12 12:13 PM
Logical deduction if the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. says. "at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” Or The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php This is the reality no spin here. The arguments for the official version of 911 should now be buried and the real version brought forth. no silly photo buckets, no name calling or snide comments lets stick to the facts and if the facts do not fit your argument I ask kindly that you stay out of the topic. what real version? The 99 Conspiracy-Theories that won't and can't hold water? When those who wrote the 911 report claim they were lied to and misled all the arguments for the "official version" become absurd. I am not privy to any classified data and nor are you or anyone on this website. All I really know is the official version is a vile pack of lies used to take this country to war and kill hundreds of thousands and bankrupt it as well. Every day more and more people are saying this as is evident in the great number of people who chose to watch this documentary on PBS. I would suggest you do the same. Sorry, I wouldn't waste the time.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 09/09/12 01:14 PM
Logical deduction if the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. says. "at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” Or The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php This is the reality no spin here. The arguments for the official version of 911 should now be buried and the real version brought forth. no silly photo buckets, no name calling or snide comments lets stick to the facts and if the facts do not fit your argument I ask kindly that you stay out of the topic. what real version? The 99 Conspiracy-Theories that won't and can't hold water? When those who wrote the 911 report claim they were lied to and misled all the arguments for the "official version" become absurd. I am not privy to any classified data and nor are you or anyone on this website. All I really know is the official version is a vile pack of lies used to take this country to war and kill hundreds of thousands and bankrupt it as well. Every day more and more people are saying this as is evident in the great number of people who chose to watch this documentary on PBS. I would suggest you do the same. Sorry, I wouldn't waste the time. Of course you wont, no big surprise.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 09/09/12 05:18 PM
I can watch it - I'm immune to Disney propaganda.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Sun 09/09/12 08:15 PM Edited by Chazster on Sun 09/09/12 08:17 PM
As for "trust you" ill kindly decline, I trust my own instinct, the one that tells me, dont believe nothing the goverment says. THE SCIENTIFIC AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS ALWAYS WRONG! This has been proven over and over again and can be demonstrated with popsicle sticks. Well then ill save the popsicle sticks and await your scientific and engineering analysis to conclude, let me know your results, until then belief is all you have and will continue to have, the facts will remain classified. You believe, I dont, and considering you were not with the scientific community actually involved in their analytical conclusions, you will have to take their word for it. Unless that is your own analysis prove different. Again look up the old posts. That is what they are saying. What you don't know is metalwing is a licensed structural engineer. He has done the math and explained it in great detail in other threads just to have it ignored. All the stuff truthers claim is impossible in the collapse he has proven are possible. Just most people don't have the back ground in physics, strength and materials, etc to really realize what's going on. It is understandable Why he doesn't continue to try to make the argument. unfortunately many people on public forums claim to be experts on this subject. The fact is his so called expertise is one of millions no more credible then the next, fact, THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE KNOWN, WE WILL JUST BELIEVE THAT WHICH COMFORTS OUR CONSCIOUS. BESIDES, EXPERTS SAID THE WORLD WAS FLAT. Chaz is an engineer also. sure he is, as are the rest of the posters here. I have seen his license. See people that actually have known each other have exchanged personal information. If you know someone's name and state of residence then you can look up their engineering license. It's public record. Want my family to send me a photo of my degree? I am a EE.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Mon 09/10/12 03:47 AM Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 09/10/12 03:49 AM
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" is getting public attention and casting doubt on the scientific validity of the U.S. government's investigation into the WTC tragedy. PBS is the first major network to air the program. Just days away from the 11th anniversary of the World Trade Center tragedy and months away from the U.S. presidential election, a game-changing 9/11 documentary is ranking number three among "most watched" documentaries on PBS and number one among "most shared." Available for free online August 18th - September 4th, the documentary could have a significant effect on public opinion. [Update: PBS has extended viewing indefinitely.] Both the Republicans and Democrats, as equally staunch defenders of the official story, stand to be affected if the public's suspicion of government corruption grows deeper. An earlier report on Digital Journal found that the claims made in the documentary can be verified by reading the government reports themselves. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the government agency charged with the investigation, did not provide any data -- no measurements or estimates -- of the mass or energy that would be required to bring down the buildings in about ten seconds. Normally a scientific report would present all the data that is used to construct a theory. The omission of data is a red flag to anyone familiar with scientific procedure. It appears that the investigators may have intentionally produced reports that the scientific community would reject. According to the experts appearing in Explosive Evidence, the scientific community did reject the reports immediately, but it has taken a very long time for this message to reach the public. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the producers of the documentary, have been trying to educate the public for a number of years. The PBS broadcast of their work represents a major step forward for them. While most people have probably heard that a scientific investigation has been conducted and that the building collapses were explained, few have probably looked at the NIST reports themselves. Links to the NIST reports can be found in the above mentioned Digital Journal article. NIST provides no data whatsoever on the actual collapse sequence itself. The new attention to the issue could be significant for the U.S. presidential election. Prior to the publication of the reports in 2005 and 2008, almost half the population was suspicious of the official story of 9/11, according to several opinion polls. Since then the 9/11 tragedy has been used to direct the policies that have led to the enormous increases in military spending and to a loss of civil liberties in the U.S. and worldwide. Like this article559 Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332051#tab=comments&sc=1530297#ixzz25oWsSjMd This crap is old and already disproven. 'Architects & Engineers For 9/11 truth'-Richard Gage-what a crank!

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Mon 09/10/12 04:47 AM Edited by Ras427 on Mon 09/10/12 04:58 AM
As for "trust you" ill kindly decline, I trust my own instinct, the one that tells me, dont believe nothing the goverment says. THE SCIENTIFIC AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS ALWAYS WRONG! This has been proven over and over again and can be demonstrated with popsicle sticks. Well then ill save the popsicle sticks and await your scientific and engineering analysis to conclude, let me know your results, until then belief is all you have and will continue to have, the facts will remain classified. You believe, I dont, and considering you were not with the scientific community actually involved in their analytical conclusions, you will have to take their word for it. Unless that is your own analysis prove different. Again look up the old posts. That is what they are saying. What you don't know is metalwing is a licensed structural engineer. He has done the math and explained it in great detail in other threads just to have it ignored. All the stuff truthers claim is impossible in the collapse he has proven are possible. Just most people don't have the back ground in physics, strength and materials, etc to really realize what's going on. It is understandable Why he doesn't continue to try to make the argument. unfortunately many people on public forums claim to be experts on this subject. The fact is his so called expertise is one of millions no more credible then the next, fact, THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE KNOWN, WE WILL JUST BELIEVE THAT WHICH COMFORTS OUR CONSCIOUS. BESIDES, EXPERTS SAID THE WORLD WAS FLAT. Chaz is an engineer also. sure he is, as are the rest of the posters here. I have seen his license. See people that actually have known each other have exchanged personal information. If you know someone's name and state of residence then you can look up their engineering license. It's public record. Want my family to send me a photo of my degree? I am a EE. According to many, "truthers" are also experts. What one chooses to believe often depends on ones line of thinking and perceptions. Some choose to believe the goverment version of events, others dont. Both sides have presented interesting theories. And still none will sway the other as most have their minds made up and will not budge. My position is a simple one. I keep my mind open for all possibilties, as I well understand that truth is not a trait of goverment nor politicians. Not to mention mans natural impulse to conspire is as natural as breathing since the dawn of man. I would not doubt if the truth is indeed true, but my understanding of mans nature along with his inclination to lie is greater then telling the truth. You can choose to believe, not a problem, I choose not to, conspiracy is what men do, since Cain and Abel, which symbolicly tells me, man=conspiracy. Maybe the goverment is telling the truth, MAYBE NOT. As for your licence, it would do little to confirm one way or the other in changing opinions many adamantly believe, nor will in provide anything new in reference to this topic. A licence can not provide insight. Both truthers and deniers have licences, and still no one on either side will be totally convinced one way or the other. Which leaves one with one own abilitie to decipher truth from bullcrap by useing ones own mind, and still ALL WILL SIMPLY BE CONJECTERING WITH LITTLE TO PROVE THEIR POSITION. I CHOOSE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL BECAUSE OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF MANS MOST PREVELENT CHARACTERISTIC, DIABOLICAL.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Mon 09/10/12 05:51 AM
The either claim to be experts on what? Now Let's at least acknowledge that their ate lots of different CTs about this event. They don't all agree. Now what I am talking about is just about how the trotters claim that the buildings couldn't have fallen like they did. Now we have a structural engineer on the site and failure analysis is what they do and that is who you would hire to answer that Sorry of question. One of our countries top combustion experts also wrote about the fire and I had linked his stuff in a previous thread. Now whether the government knew anything prior to the event I can't argue. I can however argue the science. The scientific community the world over accepts the official scientific explanation because that is what everything points to and can be proven mathematically. If it couldn't there would have been a big breakthrough in the world scientific community as the US has no control over them.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Mon 09/10/12 05:56 AM
As for "trust you" ill kindly decline, I trust my own instinct, the one that tells me, dont believe nothing the goverment says. THE SCIENTIFIC AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS ALWAYS WRONG! This has been proven over and over again and can be demonstrated with popsicle sticks. Well then ill save the popsicle sticks and await your scientific and engineering analysis to conclude, let me know your results, until then belief is all you have and will continue to have, the facts will remain classified. You believe, I dont, and considering you were not with the scientific community actually involved in their analytical conclusions, you will have to take their word for it. Unless that is your own analysis prove different. Again look up the old posts. That is what they are saying. What you don't know is metalwing is a licensed structural engineer. He has done the math and explained it in great detail in other threads just to have it ignored. All the stuff truthers claim is impossible in the collapse he has proven are possible. Just most people don't have the back ground in physics, strength and materials, etc to really realize what's going on. It is understandable Why he doesn't continue to try to make the argument. unfortunately many people on public forums claim to be experts on this subject. The fact is his so called expertise is one of millions no more credible then the next, fact, THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE KNOWN, WE WILL JUST BELIEVE THAT WHICH COMFORTS OUR CONSCIOUS. BESIDES, EXPERTS SAID THE WORLD WAS FLAT. Chaz is an engineer also. sure he is, as are the rest of the posters here. I have seen his license. See people that actually have known each other have exchanged personal information. If you know someone's name and state of residence then you can look up their engineering license. It's public record. Want my family to send me a photo of my degree? I am a EE. According to many, "truthers" are also experts. What one chooses to believe often depends on ones line of thinking and perceptions. Some choose to believe the goverment version of events, others dont. Both sides have presented interesting theories. And still none will sway the other as most have their minds made up and will not budge. My position is a simple one. I keep my mind open for all possibilties, as I well understand that truth is not a trait of goverment nor politicians. Not to mention mans natural impulse to conspire is as natural as breathing since the dawn of man. I would not doubt if the truth is indeed true, but my understanding of mans nature along with his inclination to lie is greater then telling the truth. You can choose to believe, not a problem, I choose not to, conspiracy is what men do, since Cain and Abel, which symbolicly tells me, man=conspiracy. Maybe the goverment is telling the truth, MAYBE NOT. As for your licence, it would do little to confirm one way or the other in changing opinions many adamantly believe, nor will in provide anything new in reference to this topic. A licence can not provide insight. Both truthers and deniers have licences, and still no one on either side will be totally convinced one way or the other. Which leaves one with one own abilitie to decipher truth from bullcrap by useing ones own mind, and still ALL WILL SIMPLY BE CONJECTERING WITH LITTLE TO PROVE THEIR POSITION. I CHOOSE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL BECAUSE OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF MANS MOST PREVELENT CHARACTERISTIC, DIABOLICAL. "According to many, "truthers" are also experts." No. There is no source of information anywhere that would indicate that a meaningful percentage of the real scientific and engineering world believes this nonsense. If you had read the past posts, you would realize that we have not backed any "government" version of 9/11, we have the education to do the math and physics ourselves. That is the big difference between my position and yours. You admit you know nothing but don't have a clue what others know. Trying to turn the debate into a "who believes the government and who doesn't" argument only works if you don't know where and how the government got their information. All the math and physics necessary to understand and debunk most of the CT nonsense has been posted. You obviously don't have the tools to debate the topic.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Mon 09/10/12 06:33 AM
As for "trust you" ill kindly decline, I trust my own instinct, the one that tells me, dont believe nothing the goverment says. THE SCIENTIFIC AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS IS ALWAYS WRONG! This has been proven over and over again and can be demonstrated with popsicle sticks. Well then ill save the popsicle sticks and await your scientific and engineering analysis to conclude, let me know your results, until then belief is all you have and will continue to have, the facts will remain classified. You believe, I dont, and considering you were not with the scientific community actually involved in their analytical conclusions, you will have to take their word for it. Unless that is your own analysis prove different. Again look up the old posts. That is what they are saying. What you don't know is metalwing is a licensed structural engineer. He has done the math and explained it in great detail in other threads just to have it ignored. All the stuff truthers claim is impossible in the collapse he has proven are possible. Just most people don't have the back ground in physics, strength and materials, etc to really realize what's going on. It is understandable Why he doesn't continue to try to make the argument. unfortunately many people on public forums claim to be experts on this subject. The fact is his so called expertise is one of millions no more credible then the next, fact, THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE KNOWN, WE WILL JUST BELIEVE THAT WHICH COMFORTS OUR CONSCIOUS. BESIDES, EXPERTS SAID THE WORLD WAS FLAT. Chaz is an engineer also. sure he is, as are the rest of the posters here. I have seen his license. See people that actually have known each other have exchanged personal information. If you know someone's name and state of residence then you can look up their engineering license. It's public record. Want my family to send me a photo of my degree? I am a EE. According to many, "truthers" are also experts. What one chooses to believe often depends on ones line of thinking and perceptions. Some choose to believe the goverment version of events, others dont. Both sides have presented interesting theories. And still none will sway the other as most have their minds made up and will not budge. My position is a simple one. I keep my mind open for all possibilties, as I well understand that truth is not a trait of goverment nor politicians. Not to mention mans natural impulse to conspire is as natural as breathing since the dawn of man. I would not doubt if the truth is indeed true, but my understanding of mans nature along with his inclination to lie is greater then telling the truth. You can choose to believe, not a problem, I choose not to, conspiracy is what men do, since Cain and Abel, which symbolicly tells me, man=conspiracy. Maybe the goverment is telling the truth, MAYBE NOT. As for your licence, it would do little to confirm one way or the other in changing opinions many adamantly believe, nor will in provide anything new in reference to this topic. A licence can not provide insight. Both truthers and deniers have licences, and still no one on either side will be totally convinced one way or the other. Which leaves one with one own abilitie to decipher truth from bullcrap by useing ones own mind, and still ALL WILL SIMPLY BE CONJECTERING WITH LITTLE TO PROVE THEIR POSITION. I CHOOSE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL BECAUSE OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF MANS MOST PREVELENT CHARACTERISTIC, DIABOLICAL. "According to many, "truthers" are also experts." No. There is no source of information anywhere that would indicate that a meaningful percentage of the real scientific and engineering world believes this nonsense. If you had read the past posts, you would realize that we have not backed any "government" version of 9/11, we have the education to do the math and physics ourselves. That is the big difference between my position and yours. You admit you know nothing but don't have a clue what others know. Trying to turn the debate into a "who believes the government and who doesn't" argument only works if you don't know where and how the government got their information. All the math and physics necessary to understand and debunk most of the CT nonsense has been posted. You obviously don't have the tools to debate the topic. I never debate, so tools are not required. This topic is all about opinions. All the math and physics will do little to sway those who choose not to believe. How can you debunk a theory without having 100% information. There is no debate here. Just people voicing their positions. Your position has no more validity then anyother poster. Debate is a disscussion involving opposing viewpoints, offering opinions, facts, and concerns regarding a specific topic. Considering you nor I have nor were actually involved in the official investigation, nor do we have 100% of the required data necessary to form an accurate opinion, we are thus left to depend on keypad experts on dating site for accuracy now being that nobody including you have 100% goverment classified data, your expertise is like a rear end, we all habe one.

tombraider Joined Wed 09/12/07 Posts: 5042	Mon 09/10/12 06:37 AM
perhaps one could start by building a scaled down version of 9/11 and perform some test,with all the technology we now possess we probably have the capabilities to perform such test...but i suppose it is much easier to speculate with vast theories as to how this could have happened..makes more sense <--- yea that's sarcasm there..

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Mon 09/10/12 06:45 AM Edited by Ras427 on Mon 09/10/12 06:49 AM
True debating requires one primary ingredient, FACTS, and it is impossible to have all the facts regarding this topic as most of the data regarding 911 is still classified and its full release would undermine the integrity of National Security, leaving you to be an expert on limited info to go on. All info concerning 911 is limited are what is known is mot fully disclosed. Therefore there are no tools required for this topics, just the ego. At the end of the day experts opinions matter little as well, as their first inclination is dependent on goverments version of events.