Topic: NOI Preaches Kill Whitey
Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 12:26 PM

That would be correct.

Had done.

I didn't do it. My Grandparents didn't do it. My Greatgrandparents didn't do it.

Rich democrats did it.

Now, Eugene, pedophile worshiper, Al, attention whore, Shabitch, extremist terrorists and all other like-thinking ghetto rats and whitey haters want a one-sided law allowing them to provoke violence and kill whitey.
You have obviousely missed the point, you along with Americas whites have benefited greatly from slavery and its institutions. Americas very instotutions were bulit on the premise that came from slavery. The mechanisms of goverment and private industry that were constructed in the past to specifically hamstring Black prospect for success after slavery are extraordinary. In harmony, goverment and private industry, and all sectors of American society, instituted a series of WHITE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAMS FOR THE BENEFIT OF WHITE EURO AMERICANS ONLY, programs which gave them material advantages all your decendents took advantage of to succeed.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 12:29 PM



I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.
They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.
propaganda is as old as its brother, the lie.

willing2's photo
Tue 08/21/12 12:32 PM



I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.
They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.


I haven't missed any point.
There are many negros who are way much better off than I am.
I do not wish them dead nor do I envy what they have accomplished.

Only wanna-be victims claim it's all whiteys or the Jews fault.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 12:34 PM




I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.
They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.
propaganda is as old as its brother, the lie.
Notice the SWASTIKA ON A RED MAN? Quite comical in that the AMERICAN NAZI PARTY, SKINDEADS AND THE REST OF THE ARYAN NATION WOULD ALL APPRECIATE THIS PHOTO OP.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 12:39 PM




I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.
They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.
no such thi

I haven't missed any point.
There are many negros who are way much better off than I am.
I do not wish them dead nor do I envy what they have accomplished.

Only wanna-be victims claim it's all whiteys or the Jews fault.
NO SUCH THING AS A WANNA BE VICTIM, EITHER YOU WERE, OR WERE NOT, BUT NO ONE IS IN LINE WAITING NOR WANTING TO BE A VICTIM, THAT IS JUST BEYOND LOGIC AND INTELLECT.

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 08/21/12 12:53 PM
Edited by AndyBgood on Tue 08/21/12 01:00 PM

Wrong again Andybgood, Malcolm was not killed because he went against Islam, nor of any epiphany. He was killed by rogue banished former members who dispite being banished for their shortcomings remained loyal to the Hon. Elijhah Muhammad, who they loved greatly. The FOI personally conveyed to all members not to harm Malcolm, as this would be indeed self destructive towards the volitile times, of which the COINTELLPRO mechanisms was also in line to further asterbate the situation. Whites have misslead you, however your own hatred clouds this fact. You are obviousely not well read on this subject, as your post clearly suggests the selected and well circulated accepted version of events. I love the Minister because he reminds me of when jesus was despised, hated, spit upon, and betrayed, Malcolm unfortunately betrayed his position, and as were the Rosenburgs, and Benedit Arnold, was punished. Jesus was also betrayed. Men who speak truth are always despised andregulated to "crap spewing bigot", what you really mean is "shut up " n****r, " you prefer the thousands of white groups who spew because they in fact represent your own inate racist views.



PUHLEAZE! You paint a picture all in white paint and label it evil! First off all shall I show you Quran passages that spell out that the core of their faith is to lie, cheat, steal, murder, and oppress all infidels? Islam is a HUGE LIE! They regularly kill their very own! Now when I tell someone to shut up the N word does not come out. There is NO HONOR in Islam. Why? Again the core tenants turn hypocritically on itself and those not of their faith! A religion that says it is acceptable to lie to your own to keep the peace, acceptable to lie to women to shut them up, and acceptable to lie to infidels because "we are at War with them and such is the way of war," is a religion in itself a LIE! you fall back on false morality to justify your beliefs.

Now you wish to discuss the betrayal of Jesus? Well, I am so eager to get my hands on a translated version of the Scripture according to Judas. It does indeed exist and a copy of it recently surfaced! It was written in Greek which was the EDUCATED LANGUAGE OF THE DAY, NOT LATIN! Latin was the language of Rome BUT the Roman elite learned to speak Greek as they seen it as a language of an enlightened culture. That again is historical fact. Now having spoken with at least two people who have actually worked on translation of the words of Judas it painted the betrayal of Jesus as a planned thing between Judas and Jesus because Judas was the only person on earth Jesus could count on to do what he wanted! Supposedly Jesus had to pressure the hell out of Judas to commit the betrayal. Judas agreed but Jesus's instructions to him were to live to teach and keep Jesus's teachings in tact from the others. Judas felt such total guilt listening to his friend ORDER him to betray him he killed himself. That does not sit well or bode with Christian's belief in Jesus died for their sins. Just the idea a man would be murdered to atone for MY actions is fallacious and ludicrous!

Jesus died to promote his own beliefs. Malcolm X died turning on the beliefs of those who followed him! Let's keep that straight.

Whites have mislead me? Dude, I am white but likewise I am a mutt. So which whites are you referring to?> Jews? Eastern Europeans? Mediterraneans? Anglo Saxons? WHELCH? GERMANS? RUSSIANS? L RON HUBBARD? WHO EXACTLY? POINT THE FINGER TO THE SPECIFIC GUILTY PARTY! So far I am seeing two sides of an argument I know BOTH ARE WRONG!

Please don't come to me with this pretentious, holier than thou thought system! Your philosophy is that of a man so torn BY HIS OWN HATRED HE IS SNOW BLIND to the greater facts in this issue. Lewis Pharrakahn has no honor. The FOI has no honor either! the fact here is that groups like this pretend to be so genteel and polite in the media's eye but behind the scenes they promote hate, preach violence and animosity towards others, and are indeed the very enemy of equality we all should be facing down! How about the A & M Baptist Church? Need I dig up some video of some of the hate they have spewed over the years?

Where you see me telling you to shut up is where I SEE MYSELF trying to tell you what you are preaching is a lie parroted from the hatred and bigotry of the 1950s and 1960s. I am telling you YOU ARE BEHIND THE TIMES and not as smart as you think you are! I am not attacking you! I am challenging your beliefs! They are completely contrary to what I believe in! And I know I am not the only one here.

Is this what you really are all about?





My don't these two groups look similar? SO EMPOWERED! SUPERIORITY FOR OUR OWN COLOR!!!! or am I missing something since I don't have a teaching degree?






I can see direct parallels between the two groups!

Wake up! I am not your enemy unless you make me your enemy! Stop trying to make us "whiteys" out to be the problem with the whole world. Since you dare speak of how oppressive whitey is lets take a good look at this historical black man.



Shall I list this man's crimes against humanity? Do you even know who this is?????

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 08/21/12 01:02 PM


Anyone recognize this Historical Figure?

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 01:31 PM
Edited by Ras427 on Tue 08/21/12 01:33 PM
ANDYBGOOD, It is quite unfortunate that you wish to equate the Black struggle movement of struggling against injuctice, segragation, police brutality, voting rights, inaducuate housing, poverty and jim crow laws, with the expansionist, racist, murderous, genocidal war making machine that were the Nazis, many who live with total impunity right here in America among you. Its even more disturbing that you know little about the NOI yet post as if you did. Did not Blacks have the right to seek Black power for the powerless? Common sence would dictate that yes they did. Yet you put a movement that fought for human rights, cival rights and regulate them with the murderous Nazis? There you have solved a common ingrediant to our nations problems. DENIAL!. As for Idi Amin, he was an Enemy of the British, therefore an An enemy of America due to Americas criminal partnership with their brethren the British. Why did you not know that Idi Amin started a struggle against the manipulative British goverments desire to crush the Ugandan fight for independance? You mention and post out of a desperate desire to justify whites crimes, yet you use the very missinformation they themselves created. Idi Amin killed many people, he killed those the the British trained to overthrow his goverment. If someone trains a Mexican group of men to overthrow ours, would not you fight them then punish them as you saw fit? I would hope so. As for Malcolm, its even more unfortunate that you attempt to tell me of his life and thoughts, when his thoughts are taught by those who knew him. Did it ever occur to you that your enemys never tell the truth regarding an enemy. We know exactly the circumstances to Malcolms death. Your version comes from his enemies, hardly a source of truth or accuracy.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 02:05 PM
Lets see, poor Black people with their right arms up symbolizing Black power, for the powerless, equal rights, voting rights, rights for fair wages, rights for equal housing, fighting agaist police brutality, povery and ghetoe conditions, fighting against the violence of voter suppresion, kkk violence. NOW for the photos of Hitler and his Nazi youth; what was Hitler fighting for? Was he fighting against oppression? No! Was he fighting against voting rights laws? No! Was Hitler youth being killed by police? No! Were the Nazis not aganst racism? No! Was Hitler fighting aganst segregation? Dont think so. Was the Nazi a peacefull entity? No! Were the Nazis fighting aganst voter suppresion? No! Were the Nazis non violent ? No! Are there Nazis in America? Yes!

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 02:07 PM
Lets see, poor Black people with their right arms up symbolizing Black power, for the powerless, equal rights, voting rights, rights for fair wages, rights for equal housing, fighting agaist police brutality, povery and ghetoe conditions, fighting against the violence of voter suppresion, kkk violence. NOW for the photos of Hitler and his Nazi youth; what was Hitler fighting for? Was he fighting against oppression? No! Was he fighting against voting rights laws? No! Was Hitler youth being killed by police? No! Were the Nazis not aganst racism? No! Was Hitler fighting aganst segregation? Dont think so. Was the Nazi a peacefull entity? No! Were the Nazis fighting aganst voter suppresion? No! Were the Nazis non violent ? No! Are there Nazis in America? Yes! So where is the logical corralation between the two,? There isnt. So why are the two compared? Racism at its best.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 02:12 PM





I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.
They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.
propaganda is as old as its brother, the lie.
Notice the SWASTIKA ON A RED MAN? Quite comical in that the AMERICAN NAZI PARTY, SKINDEADS AND THE REST OF THE ARYAN NATION WOULD ALL APPRECIATE THIS PHOTO OP.


sorry, but the muslim nations sided with hitler during WW2... and the white supremacists side with the muslims now against the jews...why, i don't know...

mightymoe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 02:16 PM

Lets see, poor Black people with their right arms up symbolizing Black power, for the powerless, equal rights, voting rights, rights for fair wages, rights for equal housing, fighting agaist police brutality, povery and ghetoe conditions, fighting against the violence of voter suppresion, kkk violence. NOW for the photos of Hitler and his Nazi youth; what was Hitler fighting for? Was he fighting against oppression? No! Was he fighting against voting rights laws? No! Was Hitler youth being killed by police? No! Were the Nazis not aganst racism? No! Was Hitler fighting aganst segregation? Dont think so. Was the Nazi a peacefull entity? No! Were the Nazis fighting aganst voter suppresion? No! Were the Nazis non violent ? No! Are there Nazis in America? Yes! So where is the logical corralation between the two,? There isnt. So why are the two compared? Racism at its best.


and do you really think this is not happening to poor white people to? you keep bringing up how "unfairly" blacks are being treated, but in reality, all poor uneducated people are being targeted by the police. the less anyone knows about the laws and their rights, no matter what color, the easier it is for police to hassle/arrest them...

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 08/21/12 02:17 PM

ANDYBGOOD, It is quite unfortunate that you wish to equate the Black struggle movement of struggling against injuctice, segragation, police brutality, voting rights, inaducuate housing, poverty and jim crow laws, with the expansionist, racist, murderous, genocidal war making machine that were the Nazis, many who live with total impunity right here in America among you. Its even more disturbing that you know little about the NOI yet post as if you did. Did not Blacks have the right to seek Black power for the powerless? Common sence would dictate that yes they did. Yet you put a movement that fought for human rights, cival rights and regulate them with the murderous Nazis? There you have solved a common ingrediant to our nations problems. DENIAL!. As for Idi Amin, he was an Enemy of the British, therefore an An enemy of America due to Americas criminal partnership with their brethren the British. Why did you not know that Idi Amin started a struggle against the manipulative British goverments desire to crush the Ugandan fight for independance? You mention and post out of a desperate desire to justify whites crimes, yet you use the very missinformation they themselves created. Idi Amin killed many people, he killed those the the British trained to overthrow his goverment. If someone trains a Mexican group of men to overthrow ours, would not you fight them then punish them as you saw fit? I would hope so. As for Malcolm, its even more unfortunate that you attempt to tell me of his life and thoughts, when his thoughts are taught by those who knew him. Did it ever occur to you that your enemys never tell the truth regarding an enemy. We know exactly the circumstances to Malcolms death. Your version comes from his enemies, hardly a source of truth or accuracy.


And it is sad to me that you are so Myopically fixed on how whites do whatever to blacks instead of viewing this as a greater problem encompassing the greater whole! How does continued Reparations for Blacks benefit ME? How does it benefit ALL OF AMERICA? You are attempting to use Islamic logic to argue here and you are again going cyclically back to the same issues. Again you keep going back to "Your People" and "MY ENEMIES" and how I am so misinformed. This is again a blame game and you are pointing the finger yet again to WHITES IN GENERAL when you are not seeing the BIGGER PICTURE!

Also Idi Amine ATE PEOPLE! Not to mention his ruthless cruelty, torture, use of chemical weapons in his own country, hit squads! Right now all I am finding is references to him using a blistering agent and I remember in the late 1970s it was a huge stink in the UN. And no mention of Pappa Doc Duvalier? Scandalous. I was sure you would remember the most Hated man of Haiti! So how about all that Black on Black violence going on in Africa? How about them tootsie tribesmen being murdered? So are we going to play let's all pretend this world is being trashed just by whitey? Again you miss the point. So far what one organization has been caught time and time again for criminal behavior only to be MILDLY SANCTIONED AND NEVER IMPRISONED??? Who got busted for money laundering billions of Iraqi oil money through American banks and got pissed off when called on it? Where does all the money flow through? The Banks in England! GEE! WHO IS BEING PLAYED FOR A SUCKER? Ever hear of the Bank of Islam? GEE! WHAT HAVE WE GOT HERE NOW?

So now to review who the ultimate enemy of Mankind is... Global Corporations and Global banking. They have only one rule, make profit no matter what! And upon who's backs is this empire of excess being made off of? And you dare to say I am not seeing the real big picture? And you think there are not black executives and powerful black men and women among the elite leadership? So what you thinking? Islam is the answer to the world's problem? Religious ignorance wrapped up in the guise of truth?

You are so incredibly Ignorant to think I am trying to justify any wrong doing. I am just tired of your constant whining how whitey does this and whitey does that! And to call the Nazi's exclusively murderous shows how little you really know or understand about history! Germany in the 1920s was the bastard child of the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versai had the German economy so utterly destroyed it took a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of Bread! Germany was then being oppressed by the world! The Brown Shirts grew from this desperation and suddenly the Oppressed were marching across Europe!

Now your statement... " Did not Blacks have the right to seek Black power for the powerless?" NO THEY DID NOT! NOT WHEN THE POWERLESS SECLUDED THOSE OF OTHER COLORS! In true equality we would be facing racism on all levels of color and not JUST BLACKS! Likewise we in the name of equality need to be careful that policy does not get used as a weapon against ANYONE or INSTIGATE racism in any form including crap like Affirmative Action from ever coming up again! You have never read the child story "if you give a mouse a cookie?" In case you haven't I suggest you do because YOU ARE THE MOUSE! You don't get it. This is not about Power or empowerment. My argument is that there is no fairness or balance in any of your rhetoric. You just want to bash whitey! YOU ARE SO UNFAIR!

If anyone here is floating upon the river Denial it is not me! I do not deny white people in the past have done evil things. What I do deny is that the woes of the world are not just a white thing or instigated solely by whites. Get over yourself please! You forget that there is such a thing as a power balance. If we share power we have harmony. Take too much of mine and you become the oppressor! The fact is I PERSONALLY HAVE ONLY POWER OVER MYSELF AND THAT IS ILLUSIONARY! People can gang up on me and remove my personal sovereignty and freedom. We can and do oppress each other as a species. So how can your anger towards all things white break the cycle we are in?

IT CAN'T and I am afraid that you are never going to get it at all. Go ahead and pretend you are so much smarter than me and others here. I really could care less. I am not stuffing my mouth with feet here! I get it now....




So what about unifying America again? How does this unify us? Please explain how this will help the people of America unite? I'm DYING to see what you have to say.

Pretend that groups like the NOI and Black Panthers are America's saviors? They are just as bad as the Aryan Brotherhood and the KKK! America is not about these groups. America is about AMERICANS! But right now we got some naughty leaders to put in place if people would smarten up and quit acting so trifling and ignorant!

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 02:35 PM






I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.
They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.
propaganda is as old as its brother, the lie.
Notice the SWASTIKA ON A RED MAN? Quite comical in that the AMERICAN NAZI PARTY, SKINDEADS AND THE REST OF THE ARYAN NATION WOULD ALL APPRECIATE THIS PHOTO OP.


sorry, but the muslim nations sided with hitler during WW2... and the white supremacists side with the muslims now against the jews...why, i don't know...
you sure don't, all racist groups in America are true to their creed, America for WHITES ONLY is their mantra. They dont care about anyone but those who share their phylosophy, which is WHITE POWER. but ill agree, you are right, you dont know.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 02:38 PM


ANDYBGOOD, It is quite unfortunate that you wish to equate the Black struggle movement of struggling against injuctice, segragation, police brutality, voting rights, inaducuate housing, poverty and jim crow laws, with the expansionist, racist, murderous, genocidal war making machine that were the Nazis, many who live with total impunity right here in America among you. Its even more disturbing that you know little about the NOI yet post as if you did. Did not Blacks have the right to seek Black power for the powerless? Common sence would dictate that yes they did. Yet you put a movement that fought for human rights, cival rights and regulate them with the murderous Nazis? There you have solved a common ingrediant to our nations problems. DENIAL!. As for Idi Amin, he was an Enemy of the British, therefore an An enemy of America due to Americas criminal partnership with their brethren the British. Why did you not know that Idi Amin started a struggle against the manipulative British goverments desire to crush the Ugandan fight for independance? You mention and post out of a desperate desire to justify whites crimes, yet you use the very missinformation they themselves created. Idi Amin killed many people, he killed those the the British trained to overthrow his goverment. If someone trains a Mexican group of men to overthrow ours, would not you fight them then punish them as you saw fit? I would hope so. As for Malcolm, its even more unfortunate that you attempt to tell me of his life and thoughts, when his thoughts are taught by those who knew him. Did it ever occur to you that your enemys never tell the truth regarding an enemy. We know exactly the circumstances to Malcolms death. Your version comes from his enemies, hardly a source of truth or accuracy.


And it is sad to me that you are so Myopically fixed on how whites do whatever to blacks instead of viewing this as a greater problem encompassing the greater whole! How does continued Reparations for Blacks benefit ME? How does it benefit ALL OF AMERICA? You are attempting to use Islamic logic to argue here and you are again going cyclically back to the same issues. Again you keep going back to "Your People" and "MY ENEMIES" and how I am so misinformed. This is again a blame game and you are pointing the finger yet again to WHITES IN GENERAL when you are not seeing the BIGGER PICTURE!

Also Idi Amine ATE PEOPLE! Not to mention his ruthless cruelty, torture, use of chemical weapons in his own country, hit squads! Right now all I am finding is references to him using a blistering agent and I remember in the late 1970s it was a huge stink in the UN. And no mention of Pappa Doc Duvalier? Scandalous. I was sure you would remember the most Hated man of Haiti! So how about all that Black on Black violence going on in Africa? How about them tootsie tribesmen being murdered? So are we going to play let's all pretend this world is being trashed just by whitey? Again you miss the point. So far what one organization has been caught time and time again for criminal behavior only to be MILDLY SANCTIONED AND NEVER IMPRISONED??? Who got busted for money laundering billions of Iraqi oil money through American banks and got pissed off when called on it? Where does all the money flow through? The Banks in England! GEE! WHO IS BEING PLAYED FOR A SUCKER? Ever hear of the Bank of Islam? GEE! WHAT HAVE WE GOT HERE NOW?

So now to review who the ultimate enemy of Mankind is... Global Corporations and Global banking. They have only one rule, make profit no matter what! And upon who's backs is this empire of excess being made off of? And you dare to say I am not seeing the real big picture? And you think there are not black executives and powerful black men and women among the elite leadership? So what you thinking? Islam is the answer to the world's problem? Religious ignorance wrapped up in the guise of truth?

You are so incredibly Ignorant to think I am trying to justify any wrong doing. I am just tired of your constant whining how whitey does this and whitey does that! And to call the Nazi's exclusively murderous shows how little you really know or understand about history! Germany in the 1920s was the bastard child of the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versai had the German economy so utterly destroyed it took a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of Bread! Germany was then being oppressed by the world! The Brown Shirts grew from this desperation and suddenly the Oppressed were marching across Europe!

Now your statement... " Did not Blacks have the right to seek Black power for the powerless?" NO THEY DID NOT! NOT WHEN THE POWERLESS SECLUDED THOSE OF OTHER COLORS! In true equality we would be facing racism on all levels of color and not JUST BLACKS! Likewise we in the name of equality need to be careful that policy does not get used as a weapon against ANYONE or INSTIGATE racism in any form including crap like Affirmative Action from ever coming up again! You have never read the child story "if you give a mouse a cookie?" In case you haven't I suggest you do because YOU ARE THE MOUSE! You don't get it. This is not about Power or empowerment. My argument is that there is no fairness or balance in any of your rhetoric. You just want to bash whitey! YOU ARE SO UNFAIR!

If anyone here is floating upon the river Denial it is not me! I do not deny white people in the past have done evil things. What I do deny is that the woes of the world are not just a white thing or instigated solely by whites. Get over yourself please! You forget that there is such a thing as a power balance. If we share power we have harmony. Take too much of mine and you become the oppressor! The fact is I PERSONALLY HAVE ONLY POWER OVER MYSELF AND THAT IS ILLUSIONARY! People can gang up on me and remove my personal sovereignty and freedom. We can and do oppress each other as a species. So how can your anger towards all things white break the cycle we are in?

IT CAN'T and I am afraid that you are never going to get it at all. Go ahead and pretend you are so much smarter than me and others here. I really could care less. I am not stuffing my mouth with feet here! I get it now....




So what about unifying America again? How does this unify us? Please explain how this will help the people of America unite? I'm DYING to see what you have to say.

Pretend that groups like the NOI and Black Panthers are America's saviors? They are just as bad as the Aryan Brotherhood and the KKK! America is not about these groups. America is about AMERICANS! But right now we got some naughty leaders to put in place if people would smarten up and quit acting so trifling and ignorant!

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/21/12 03:09 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 08/21/12 03:10 PM
fighting against injustice and for equality is not on par with fighting for absolute power to oppress,,,


this discussion will never go anywhere so long as people continue to make the two fights equal,,,,frustrated frustrated

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/21/12 03:22 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 08/21/12 03:23 PM
analogy for the day

say susan works 100 hours a pay period and joe works 75,
say susan earns 50 bucks for that pay period(Same job) and joe earns 150 for his


stay with me,,,,this means that susan is earning 50 cents an hour and working longer hours

while joe earns 2 dollars an hour and works fewer hours

a DISPARITY susan has a gripe about


,,but,, eventually, susans hours increase 25 percent as does joes

now working 125 and approximately 94 hours respectfully

in addition, both have their pay decreased 20 percent

now earning 40 cents an hour and 1.60 per hour with total pay period income of 50 dollars and 150 dollars per pay period


susan still has the issue she always had with the disparity and joes response is

'quit crying over that, because my hours were extended and my pay was cut too, it hasnt just happened to you! Its happening to me as well NOW........(now being a very important word and the only one that is significant to Joe, who doesnt want to address how the past is impacting the NOW)"


,,,,,,get the point?


'struggling' in the broad sense is not the issue,, the issue is the DISPARITY caused by the historical discrimination

Joe doesnt get it, cause he is (ironically) only able to see that he is struggling and therefore susan has no more of a gripe than he does just because she is struggling too

he doesnt get that even when he is still struggling, the DISPARITY continues to make their suffering anything but equally impactive upon their opportunity and access to the american 'dream'


Ras427's photo
Tue 08/21/12 03:25 PM
Edited by Ras427 on Tue 08/21/12 03:29 PM
ANDYBGOOD; it makes very little sence to suggest that im pretending to be smarter then you simply for disagreeing with your position. Are you trying to pretend to be smarter then I simply for dissagreeing? Does that make sence to you ? I diss agree, plain and simple, how is that pretending to be smarter then you. And why have you reached that conclusion? Simply because I dissagree? People will often disagree, and ill never agree with a racist who uses the "N"word in one post, then have the audacity to ask how does my positipn unite us. Like thats what you want. Right, im not a hypocrite, you are not my people, im for the down trodden, the poor, the despised. I dont pretend to like you nor want to be unified with you. One thing is for sure, im smart enough to know that we are indeed natural enemies, that is a fact. If you were truly against racism, you would have achknowledged the reality of a dangerouse and well armed entity that are white supremists. To deflect that fact with the NOI, and your participation and silence when mindless threads are created to start the racist dialog you so convieniently ignore is indeed mindless. If you feel less smart because I disagree, may I suggest therapy?

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Tue 08/21/12 04:15 PM

What the Hon. Minister Farrakhan has said have been and are true. The Jew have indeed practiced a "gutter " religion in that they were involved heavily in the slave trade. They financed it, and profitted from it. The Minister did not say that the Jewish faith was a gutter religion, how could he,? considering that Muslim honor the holy Torah" and the gospal (Injil). However, the term "gutter" religion is in reference to the hypocracy of Jews and Christians alike, who have corrupted both religions and practiced gutter religion. Muslims around the world are also guilty of practicing gutter religion. The Minister has always maintained that he is refering to the political corruption weilded by powerfull Jewish influeneced and Jewish political might. People prefer to look at the words of the Ministers enemys for validation. However, the enemys of the Minister are the very ones who have lead this counrty to a brink of financial collaps. The countless lives lost to corporate sponsoerd wars are ignored as are the rise of right wing extremism. As for the Malchom X assasanation, the Minister has reconciled with the family long ago, as the truth of Malchoms death is not the business of outsiders. Anyone with the knowledge of Malchoms death all know who killed him. Those who act as if they know have no clue, what person of logic and common sence would refer or quote the FBI, or CIA of reliability in regards to truth? One of little conscious intellect. Mugabi, Qhadaffi and all enemys of the American goverment because they refuse or have spoken against Americas little repect for third world nations, along with Americas quest for the worlds resources. The goverments enemys are not my enemys. My loyalty is to people of rightiousness, hypocrates in the goverment through their media control the very thinking of the people. The NOI did not, were not, nor were involved with the murders of JFK, RFK, MLK, MDEGER EVERS, BLACK PANTHERS, YOUNG LORDS, NATIVE AMERICAN ACTIVISTS GROUPS. How interesting that no WHITE SUPREMIST group leaders have ever been assacanated, very few prosactuted, and even less impriisoned. What is even more interesting is the selective propagating towards the NOI, who are the most law abiding people in America. While all choose to focus on them, 1000 white right wing racist organizations have grown 100% since President Obamas election. What is truly amazing is most Americans call Obama a socialist, yet there are over a thousand white socialist groups in America. Ill never be a hypacrite, whits are indeed our enemys, consistant, and historically. And ONLY FOOLS LOVE THEIR ENEMYS.


Nonsense. Christians and Jews are not gutter religions.
Islam is no better than any other religion.

Farrakhan is just a revolting and ignorant bigot.
The anti-Jewish conspiracy theory is likewise a bunch of
discredited hogwash repetition of Nazi propaganda.

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Tue 08/21/12 04:18 PM







I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.
They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.
propaganda is as old as its brother, the lie.
Notice the SWASTIKA ON A RED MAN? Quite comical in that the AMERICAN NAZI PARTY, SKINDEADS AND THE REST OF THE ARYAN NATION WOULD ALL APPRECIATE THIS PHOTO OP.


sorry, but the muslim nations sided with hitler during WW2... and the white supremacists side with the muslims now against the jews...why, i don't know...
you sure don't, all racist groups in America are true to their creed, America for WHITES ONLY is their mantra. They dont care about anyone but those who share their phylosophy, which is WHITE POWER. but ill agree, you are right, you dont know.


huh... seems a pretty racist statement there... not sure what you are trying to say