One of the central problems with NOI is it is led by a thoroughly
repugnant disgusting bigot whose policies cannot be trusted because
of his hateful rhetoric. It is inexcusable that NOI members would
tolerate someone like Louis Farrakhan as their leader.



For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

Following the 2008 presidential election, Farrakhan explained, during a BET television interview, that he was "careful" to never endorse Obama during his campaign. "I talked about him — but, in very beautiful and glowing terms, stopping short of endorsing him. And unfortunately, or fortunately, however we look at it, the media said I 'endorsed' him, so he renounced my so-called endorsement and support. But that didn’t stop me from supporting him."[24]

As of 2012, Farrakhan no longer supports Obama, whom he has since called the "first Jewish president", due to Obama's support for the 2011 military intervention in Libya, which Farrakhan strongly opposes due to his own support for Muammar Gaddafi.[25] At a 31 March 2011 press conference held at the Mosque Maryam, Farrakhan warned that the United States could be "facing a major earthquake as part of God’s divine judgment against the country for her evil".[26]

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Criticism and controversy

Farrakhan has been the center of much controversy with critics saying that his views and comments are antisemitic, racist or homophobic.[31] Farrakhan has categorically denied these charges[32] and stated that much of America's perception of him has been shaped by media.[33][34] This defense is echoed by religion scholar and pro-Palestinian activist Mattias Gardell[34] who argues that, when considered in the context of Farrakhan's typically lengthy lectures, many of Farrakhan's controversial comments take on a more nuanced meaning that cannot be conveyed in a sound bite.
Malcolm X's death

Many, including Malcolm X's family, have accused Louis Farrakhan of being involved in the plot to assassinate Malcolm X.[35][36][37][38] For many years, Betty Shabazz, the wife of Malcolm X, harbored resentment toward the Nation of Islam—and Farrakhan in particular—for what she felt was their role in the assassination of her husband.[39] In a 1993 speech, Farrakhan seemed to acknowledge the possibility that the Nation of Islam was responsible for the assassination:

We don't give a damn about no white man law if you attack what we love. And frankly, it ain't none of your business. What do you got to say about it? Did you teach Malcolm? Did you make Malcolm? Did you clean up Malcolm? Did you put Malcolm out before the world? Was Malcolm your traitor or ours? And if we dealt with him like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours? You just shut your mouth, and stay out of it. Because in the future, we gonna become a nation. And a nation gotta be able to deal with traitors and cutthroats and turncoats. The white man deals with his. The Jews deal with theirs.[40][41][42]

During a 1994 interview, Gabe Pressman asked Shabazz whether Farrakhan "had anything to do" with Malcolm X's death. She replied: "Of course, yes. Nobody kept it a secret. It was a badge of honor. Everybody talked about it, yes."[43] In January 1995, Qubilah Shabazz, the daughter of Malcolm X and Betty Shabazz, was charged with trying to hire an assassin to kill Farrakhan in retaliation for the murder of her father, whom she long believed was responsible for it.[44]

In a 60 Minutes interview that aired during May 2000, Farrakhan stated that some of the things he said may have led to the assassination of Malcolm X. "I may have been complicit in words that I spoke", he said. "I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being."[45] A few days later Farrakhan denied that he "ordered the assassination" of Malcolm X, although he again acknowledged that he "created the atmosphere that ultimately led to Malcolm X's assassination."[46]
Allegations of antisemitism

Many of Farrakhan's comments have been deemed antisemitic by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith.[47][48]

Speaking at the Mosque Maryam in Chicago, Farrakhan stated: "Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET? They got BET. They got our hair product people. They got Motown. Everything that we built, THEY got it. But the mind of Satan now is running the record industry. Running the movie industry. Running television."[49]
Jewish distributors

Farrakhan has alleged that Jewish distributors blocked a major urban economic renewal initiative in 1985 he had championed which was dubbed "P.O.W.E.R." for People Organized Working for Economic Rebirth. The initiative called for a joint enterprise of businesses and organizations, owned or run by Black people, to produce and distribute a line of cosmetics and toiletries sold under the Clean & Fresh (now defunct) label. Major haircare companies, including Johnson Products Co., backed out of the initiative fearing it could lead to accusations of anti-Semitism.[50] Johnson Products owner George E. Johnson, Sr. maintained that his company's distributors told him that any dealings with Farrakhan's P.O.W.E.R. project would lead to having his own products boycotted. "We knew we could not offend our distribution channels," a Johnson spokesman Dorothy McConner said. "When I saw that," Farrakhan said, "I recognized that the Blackman will never be free until we address the relationship between Blacks and Jews."[51]
"Gutter religion" Accusations

In 1984, after returning from a visit to Libya Farrakhan delivered a sermon that was recorded by a Chicago Sun Times reporter. A transcript from part of the sermon was published in the New York Times:

Toward the end of that portion of his speech that was recorded, Mr. Farrakhan said: "Now that nation called Israel never has had any peace in 40 years and she will never have any peace because there can be no peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name."[52]

Farrakhan has repeatedly denied referring to Judaism as a "gutter religion" explaining that he was instead referring to the Israeli Government's use of Judaism as a political tool. In a June 18, 1997, letter to a former Wall Street Journal editor Jude Wanniski he stated:

Countless times over the years I have explained that I never referred to Judaism as a gutter religion, but, clearly referred to the machinations of those who hide behind the shield of Judaism while using unjust political means to achieve their objectives. This was distilled in the New York tabloids and other media saying, 'Farrakhan calls Judaism a gutter religion.'

As a Muslim, I revere Abraham, Moses, and all the Prophets whom Allah (God) sent to the children of Israel. I believe in the scriptures brought by these Prophets and the Laws of Allah (God) as expressed in the Torah. I would never refer to the Revealed Word of Allah (God) — the basis of Jewish Faith — as 'dirty' or 'gutter.' You know, Jude, as well as I, that the Revealed Word of Allah (God) comes as a Message from Allah (God) to purify us from our evil that has divided us and caused us to fall into the gutter.
Over the centuries, the evils of Christians, Jews and Muslims have dirtied their respective religions. True Faith in the laws and Teaching of Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad is not dirty, but, practices in the name of these religions can be unclean and can cause people to look upon the misrepresented religion as being unclean.[53]

"Black Hitler" characterization

In response to Farrakhan's speech, Nathan Pearlmutter, then Chair of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith, referred to Farrakhan as the new "Black Hitler" and Village Voice journalist Nat Hentoff also characterized the NOI leader as a "Black Hitler" while a guest on a New York radio talk-show.

In response, Farrakhan announced during a March 11, 1984, speech broadcast on a Chicago radio station:

So I said to the members of the press, 'Why won't you go and look into what we are saying about the threats on Reverend Jackson's life?' Here the Jews don't like Farrakhan and so they call me 'Hitler'. Well that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't great for me as a Black man but he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the First World War. Yet Hitler took Germany from the ashes and rose her up and made her the greatest fighting machine of the twentieth century, brothers and sisters, and even though Europe and America had deciphered the code that Hitler was using to speak to his chiefs of staff, they still had trouble defeating Hitler even after knowing his plans in advance. Now I'm not proud of Hitler's evil toward Jewish people, but that's a matter of record. He rose Germany up from nothing. Well, in a sense you could say there is a similarity in that we are rising our people up from nothing, but don't compare me with your wicked killers.[54][55]

Gulf war prophecy

He prophesied that the First Gulf War would be the "War of Armageddon which is the final war."[56]
H1N1 Vaccine Conspiracy Theory

On October 21, 2009, Farrakhan told an audience in Memphis that he believes the H1N1 flu vaccine was developed to depopulate the earth. During a gathering to observe the Nation of Islam's Holy Day of Atonement, which also marked the 14th anniversary of the Million Man March in Washington, the Memphis Commercial Appeal reported Farrakhan as saying:

The Earth can't take 6.5 billion people. The popular belief of some is "We just can't feed that many. So what are you going to do? Kill as many as you can. We have to develop a science that kills them and makes it look as though they died from some disease.[57]

Praise of President Robert Mugabe

In 2002, Louis Farrakhan went to Zimbabwe in support of President Robert Mugabe's intentions to enforce proposed redistribution of white-owned land and property. Farrakhan said he was in "full support" of Mugabe's policies "as it was aimed at correcting a historical injustice".[58]

Accepted support from Muammar Gaddafi

According to the Associated Press, Farrakhan called the former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi a friend and Muslim brother who's lent the Nation of Islam movement $8 million over the years.[59] Farrakhan explained, "I love Moammar Gadhafi, and I love our president. It grieves me to see my brother president set a policy that would remove this man not only from power, but from the earth."[60] According to the Associated Press, Farrakhan portrayed Gaddafi as a fellow revolutionary and longtime friend to the Nation of Islam, which reportedly used $3 million it borrowed from Libya in the 1970s to acquire the building and land which formerly housed the St. Constantine & Helen Greek Orthodox Church on Chicago's South Side.[60] Years later, a $5 million loan was used to pay back taxes and costs for the home of the movement's former leader Elijah Muhammad.[60] Despite Gaddafi's connection to the Lockerbie Bombing, Farrakhan said, "I don't care what Gadhafi has done wrong, he is not the 'mad dog of the Middle East.'"[60]

Belief in UFOs
Main article: Nation of Islam#The Mother Plane and Ezekiel's Wheel

In an interview Farrakhan claimed the existence of a ship he calls The Wheel which houses weapons capable of defeating all weapons on earth. He claims that many call UFOs The Wheel, or what Elijah Muhammad called "The Mother Plane." Farrakhan also alleges government conspiracy in covering up reports on these sightings.[61] In an interview with Jamie Maussan on April 11, 2011, he claimed that The Wheel would make itself clear to the population of earth in a matter of "days".[62]

And I hope this one sentence sums up what I am trying to say here even if it is off topic. I am greatly offended when people use the truth to support or lend credence to their own screwed up beliefs!

Worst is when people bend facts to suit their arguments. It is true America BOUGHT SLAVES and ALLOWED SLAVERY! But you and others seem to forget that people to this day become enslaved as well even here in America for a host of reasons. How about children here among us sold into the sex trade? Are they too not slaves?

America has laws against it and sometimes enforcement comes slowly. This is not 1860 where Slavery is still legal in the South. Instead of attacking America GO AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN IT!

Do you have any clue why I fear New World Order? They have no rules of conduct. No bill of rights. No constitution. Just a greedy need for wealth and power at any cost and any means using anyone to meet that end as they see fit. NWO does stuff that would make the author of The Principle of Rule feel guilty for writing his book! So here we are discussing Slavery when the real issue is an organization like the NOI which practices WHITE HATRED and VIOLENCE AGAINST WHITES in a country where WHITES GAVE UP THEIR POWER AND ENDED APARTHEID. And what is happening? Whites are being murdered in huge numbers!

So what is so right about this "Now it is your turn," Philosophy? breed more hate and make the whites retaliate in a genocide fostered because a bunch of stupid African NEGROS get a little freedom and it turns into a justification to purge Africa of people who were born there? Stupid azzholes kill each other over what tribe you are from but being white makes it easier to find someone to pick on. It is sickening to see how a discussion about Africa turned into a BASH AMERICA session and I am not going to stand for that at all. I am done with people bashing this country! it is time to fix it and bash the two political parties that have sold out on us! BOTH PARTIES and the people within them are the problem America faces along with an Apathetic population of mostly poor people who think the world owes them a living.

Am I clear now or am I just chasing my own tail?

Somehow I think a lot of this information will fall upon deaf eyes!

What the Hon. Minister Farrakhan has said have been and are true. The Jew have indeed practiced a "gutter " religion in that they were involved heavily in the slave trade. They financed it, and profitted from it. The Minister did not say that the Jewish faith was a gutter religion, how could he,? considering that Muslim honor the holy Torah" and the gospal (Injil). However, the term "gutter" religion is in reference to the hypocracy of Jews and Christians alike, who have corrupted both religions and practiced gutter religion. Muslims around the world are also guilty of practicing gutter religion. The Minister has always maintained that he is refering to the political corruption weilded by powerfull Jewish influeneced and Jewish political might. People prefer to look at the words of the Ministers enemys for validation. However, the enemys of the Minister are the very ones who have lead this counrty to a brink of financial collaps. The countless lives lost to corporate sponsoerd wars are ignored as are the rise of right wing extremism. As for the Malchom X assasanation, the Minister has reconciled with the family long ago, as the truth of Malchoms death is not the business of outsiders. Anyone with the knowledge of Malchoms death all know who killed him. Those who act as if they know have no clue, what person of logic and common sence would refer or quote the FBI, or CIA of reliability in regards to truth? One of little conscious intellect. Mugabi, Qhadaffi and all enemys of the American goverment because they refuse or have spoken against Americas little repect for third world nations, along with Americas quest for the worlds resources. The goverments enemys are not my enemys. My loyalty is to people of rightiousness, hypocrates in the goverment through their media control the very thinking of the people. The NOI did not, were not, nor were involved with the murders of JFK, RFK, MLK, MDEGER EVERS, BLACK PANTHERS, YOUNG LORDS, NATIVE AMERICAN ACTIVISTS GROUPS. How interesting that no WHITE SUPREMIST group leaders have ever been assacanated, very few prosactuted, and even less impriisoned. What is even more interesting is the selective propagating towards the NOI, who are the most law abiding people in America. While all choose to focus on them, 1000 white right wing racist organizations have grown 100% since President Obamas election. What is truly amazing is most Americans call Obama a socialist, yet there are over a thousand white socialist groups in America. Ill never be a hypacrite, whits are indeed our enemys, consistant, and historically. And ONLY FOOLS LOVE THEIR ENEMYS.

This wasnt a discussion about Africa, Africa is the go to when people dont want to discuss whats gone on in AMERICA and how its affected and still affects the black american demographic

This was a discussion trying to slam the NOI

so

apparently you are chasing your own tail by continuing to bring Africa into the discussion

because you continue to refer to what 'others' are doing

the issue that is so hard to address is what AMERICA has done, HISTORICALLY, and LEGALLY to a GROUP of people

not individual and illegal cases of child slavery and prostition here or other countries,,,not apartheid or white suffering in South Africa, not AFRICAS problems

the disucssion is about AMERICA< but people dont want to look at that and will continue to try and 'water down' the problems here by saying that we arent the only place with problems

so, I concede, we arent the only place with problems, ok? that discussion is done, over , naught

but I still wish people could face that we DO have problems that need dealing with even if we arent the only ones in the 'world' that harbor them,,,

slavery is bad and still happens, but Im not discussing slaverys history around the world

I am born and raised in AMERICA< so my immediate concern is its history and affect in AMERICA< and not only the slavery that 'took a while' to be made illegal but the jim crow laws that replaced it to keep the disparity in place

THAT AMERICAN HISTORY, as disparetely affected black americans IN AMERICA,, and that is the issue,, no matter how often people will try to make it a non or lesser issue because they can find what they believe are bigger problems in other countries,,,,

ANDYBGOOD;Your quote, "somehow I got a feeling this will fall on death ears" is interesting in that they indeed should. Since when are you nor others lovers of truth? As for the spic, n*****s, chinks, ragheads, krauts, mics, wops, ect. Those are all created by whites racists, simulare to your NWA referance.

so funny how things are differently perceived

my ears arent 'deaf', I just heard very little 'hate' in what was said,,,

That would be correct.

Had done.

I didn't do it. My Grandparents didn't do it. My Greatgrandparents didn't do it.

Rich democrats did it.

Now, Eugene, pedophile worshiper, Al, attention whore, Shabitch, extremist terrorists and all other like-thinking ghetto rats and whitey haters want a one-sided law allowing them to provoke violence and kill whitey.

FALSE. NOONE Has advocated laws allowing violence upon 'whitey'

thats more sensationalistic nonsense,,,,

Why isn't shabitch in jail for broadcasting kill and skin white babies?

Gotta' strong hunch any white man who called for doing the same to negro babies would be hauled in by Holder.

is there any evidence he 'broadcast' those sentiments, or have they just been blasted over the internet without his consent or knowledge?


as to the latter claim,, are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI-4wY9ZOL8

ANDYBGOOD, if you do not own anything in a country who very foudation was to benefit the white hetrosexual male, perhaps you have failed to take advantage of your false sence of privaledge. Befor I proceed, allow me to achknowledge your childhood traumatic experience, as I am of commpassion and also share simular stories ill leave for another time. However to go back to my point, history clearly is the best indicator as to our future. The foundation of American White supremacy sits tenuously on a rickity base of lies and deceptions about how whites got their wealth and status. To understand the rational of people of this country, particularly the decendant of slaves and slaveowners, and our current state of racial animosity, one must closely study that which has lead us to this point. Many whites suffer from a false sence of superioritu, entitlment, and priveledge. Many Black folk suffer from self hatred, and a false sence of inferiority. The NOI is directly responsible for along with other Black institutions of removing said mindsets. However, much of slaverys many mind conditioning still remain.

First of all people use any influence to promote power. Religion, money, gold, sex, its all relative...

Lewis Farrakahn is a crap spewing bigot and racist. his words to me are meaningless. He is a child of hate and a bringer of misery! But back to religion. it is all a power play and religion is one that uses lies to sway the hearts of people. Religion has led to a lot of the moral corruption of the world but it has provided some kind of moral template for us to operate by.

In the end though the collapse of civilizations have been at the hands of the Mob wanting a free ride, and the Aristocracy setting a terrible example living in excess born off of the backs of others!

Likewise blind trust in any Government organization is just as stupid as Blind faith in religion.

And as for the death of Malcolm X, he was killed by his own people. He had turned against his message of hatred. He was turning against Islam! Malcolm X had a epiphany of conscious too late to see the danger he was surrounded by. If you want to find Malcolm X's killer look to Islam. It is easy to blame the Government. But what of a "savior" who turns on his own message others so deeply believe in?





Here is a historical fact Christians get WRONG!


Jesus Christ A.K.A. Jesus of Nazareth was highly educated and also a deeply involved Jew. He was raised in the traditions of the Jewish faith. But as he got older he likewise became more influential in the Jewish Mainstream. He had an issue with the Jewish faith selling salvation. He became SO popular and SO INFLUENTIAL that the Scribes and Pharisees became scared of him because he was becoming more powerful than they were. He also was gradually stripping them of money and power. JESUS WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO TURN JUDEA UPSIDE DOWN AND STEAL THE POWER AND INFLUENCE FROM THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES. And somewhere in this Jesus came up with the bright idea that his teachings would be spread if he let them kill him. Martyr complex thinking!

Malcolm X didn't have a choice nor the opportunity to defend himself! Jesus did! But I think of all of the issues I have with any religion is this, when a man is made a Holy Figure and made a Deity like Jesus, Muhammad, Hari krishna, etc... then that religion has degraded into a false worship. We cannot question Islam or they get mad? The pages of a Quran are not fit to wipe my azz with! That faith has them killing themselves as well as everyone around them. And for what? An unseen MUTE absentee god? ALL RELIGION SAVE TWO OR THREE ARE OUTRIGHT LIES!

Buddhism, Tao, and Sikh are the only three that make ANY Sense!

Wrong again Andybgood, Malcolm was not killed because he went against Islam, nor of any epiphany. He was killed by rogue banished former members who dispite being banished for their shortcomings remained loyal to the Hon. Elijhah Muhammad, who they loved greatly. The FOI personally conveyed to all members not to harm Malcolm, as this would be indeed self destructive towards the volitile times, of which the COINTELLPRO mechanisms was also in line to further asterbate the situation. Whites have misslead you, however your own hatred clouds this fact. You are obviousely not well read on this subject, as your post clearly suggests the selected and well circulated accepted version of events. I love the Minister because he reminds me of when jesus was despised, hated, spit upon, and betrayed, Malcolm unfortunately betrayed his position, and as were the Rosenburgs, and Benedit Arnold, was punished. Jesus was also betrayed. Men who speak truth are always despised andregulated to "crap spewing bigot", what you really mean is "shut up " n****r, " you prefer the thousands of white groups who spew because they in fact represent your own inate racist views.

leave the racial slurs off of the forums

Kim

I see the term Honorable up in here.

I see nothing honorable about a man, men or any group the worships pedophiles and mass murders.

ANDYBGOOD, may I then suggest you stick to regular toilet paper, as Christianity along with the rest are directly responcible for great crimes against humanity. Christianity however has the unique distinction of being the first religion in world history to advocate racism found within the very bible itself.

They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand wizards, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books.

They lied to you, Muslims do not use "grand dragon, grand cyclops, nor imperial wizard", Hon. refers to one who speaks truth, something racist just cant stomach. By the way, Manhattan was NOT really sold for $24 dollars. Ignore the history books. By the way willing2, id strongly advise you to never believe white racists. In the words of a great Indian saying, "paleface speak with fork tongue".

The history of Mohamed is all over the world.



Even ex-muslims are speaking the truth.