ALL EMPIRES ARE BORN OF GOOD INTENTIONS BUT ARE BUILT OFF OF THE SWEAT OF OTHERS! ROME, CHINA, EGYPT, GERMANY WWII, JAPAN UP TO WWII, SAUDI ARABIA WHERE SLAVERY IS STILL LEGAL, EUROPE WITH DEBTOR'S COURT WHICH WAS A MASSIVELY ABUSED SYSTEM! So how many Empires were built by the hands of man and how many of them involved slavery of some kind???


ALL OF THEM INCLUDING OUR OWN!!!

Dude, MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A LOWELL GIRL! ON top of that you are under some assumption that ALL slaves were treated badly. In all reality unless you were one of the largest of the plantation owners YOU DID NOT ABUSE YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE GOOD SLAVES WERE EXPENSIVE! At least Slaves in America were not put in arenas to fight to the death for our amusement. Speaking of poorly treated people how about all them Chinese and Irish Emigrants? Their treatment doesn't count because they were not black? FOR SHAME ON YOU IF THAT IS THE CASE! OH, TECHNICALLY THEY WERE STILL FREE HUH? Familiar with the concept of the Company Store?

So you want a comparable organization that uses the same tactics as the KKK? ISLAM!!!

You use a single MINORITY FACTION OF WHITES TO ASSESS THE WHOLE OF AMERICA? God I can think of two teachers of mine from my time in Shasta College I would love to show this to! One of them helped me understand Dr. Strangelove! And on top of that you fallaciously assume that us "WHITES" have no idea what it is like being on the short end of the stick of prejudice and tolerance. Well sunshine try this on for size, imagine showing up to a job interview and being told, "By your qualifications and references I would hire you right now if it wasn't for the problem you are white and Affirmative Action will not allow us to hire you," or this happy little salmon pink sign at the El Camino Employment center "We cannot hire any people of Caucasian heritage because we have our quota of Caucasians in our work force..." City of Lawndale, Vehicle Maintenance position and El Camino College, Grounds Maintenance respectively. I was willing to take dirty jobs but I had to face this "reverse discrimination." As a kid I was forced to take Ritalin because I was supposedly Hyperactive so to control me they (the LA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT) used me as a clinical TEST RAT FOR AN EXPERIMENTAL DRUG AND HAD ME ON DOSES THAT THESE DAYS WOULD BE CRIMINAL! I was never compensated for the destruction of my childhood, GOA, and school life to an experimental drug no one understood at the time.

So again whitey does what to the black man here and now again? or are we going to go back to the 1950s?

Dude, I have a friend who left Mississippi because of how hard it is on Blacks there. He is a humble man if anything but he is clear that most of these Compton And Bronx Blacks wouldn't last ten minuets in the south with their mouths! It is the inversion of me being white and walking through Athens or worst,, EAST INGLEWOOD at night, alone and unarmed! It is so safe and easy to blame whitey from behind a computer screen! The KKK is dying. But where one hate group evaporates another one comes along to fill the void! If the black man is so superior why is it the Black man can't show me that? You think acting like David Duke is endearing you to anyone? A lot of what you are saying is the Mirror of what he says! And David Duke is an Embarrassment to decent white Americans across this nation! *He spends way too much time blaming blacks for crime, moral decay, and a host of other stupid crap!"* <had to add this!

I think in short, enough with the blame game, please! That is what your arguments come off to me as. I am sorry if I am coming off harsh. But the thing is you are only PARTIALLY right but seem to be unclear to the real larger picture out there. My opinions are formed from years of study, years of personal experience, and listening to those who lived this stuff. You want to talk suffering? You REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEING A SLAVE IN THE HERE AND NOW?!?!

What do you do for a living again????? Anything involving real labor? Anything involving having to compete for what little work is out there right now?

its happened worse elsewhere

or its happened similarly to others

so lets stop all discussion about how it happened IN AMERICA

just stop talking about it and all will be euphoric and equal and as it should be,,,,

Sorry, maybe you can expound further as to how white families shared the same burdens with Black families. The so called Jim Crow Laws were simply reconstituted Slave Laws and they applied throughout America, in the South and the North. Their aim was not to keep Blacks from "white" drinking fountains and toilets, or even from breaking the law, but to keep Blacks from accumilating property, starting businesses, engaging in trade and commerce, and establishing an independent economic base and to force them back to the cotton plantation. Whotes having eliminated all compitition from the most productive people on earth, benefited immensely from these repressive American racial restritions. In light of that, I fail to see any relevence to your claim of "sharing burden". Afterall common knowledge on American history clearly suggests and proves that the burden of slavery rested solely on the backs and lives of the slaves, the burden Whites had was to keep other greedy pedophile slave holders from stealing profits.

Andybgood, there is nor ever was a time when slaves were treated good. Not even the ones with great innovations and inventions stolen from them to ease thier sun up to sun down work. There is no such thing as a well treated slave, profit was the order of the day, "non humans" were not considered. Who is to blame? Martians. Slaves were submited to sub human standards except for the products of interacial rapes common on plantations by slaveholders on young boys and girls whos offsprings were allowed in the "house". They were subjected to severe retributions of brandings, cutting of limbs, and murder with no laws to protect them. Not one slave ever said he was safe or happy. The most human of institution is that of the family unit, often broken by sold loved ones. As for gladeators, WRONG again, Sam Langford was the greatest American gladiator of all time, which opened boxing to the world. He along with many Blackmen were forced to fight each other, sometimes to death. If fighters die today in mere 12 round fights, imagin 20 round fights with bare knuckles. Slaves treated well, utter nonsence, and historically inaccurate. Blame game? Who does a rape victim blame? The cloughs she was wearing?

And this stuff did not happen to non slaves? You cannot look at human indecency in such myopic terms. Slavery comes in many forms. You don't think a very calculated move to enslave us again is not underway? Money is so easy to use! The problem with oppressed people is when they get in charge they become oppressors. Isn't Communist Russia not the very quintessential example of this? We have to look back to not forget but we need one eye in the mirror and not both! And dude, you forget my heritage is ROMAN! WE fed people to animals! We made people kill one another for sport! Please! I remember a time when MULES were treated better than people because of economic reasons! Hell , my Roman forefathers gave a crap less about the slave's color! Either they were useful or they were sold off or fed to the arena! Compare Roman slavery to American slavery some time! Again you seem to just equate it to a white thing.

One more time, still legal in Saudi Arabia! It is still legal in some parts of the world!

Yes America has been a terrible example but so far we are the BEST example of the right thing. At least our nation has tried but this whole appeasement mentality is WRONG! You seem to be so hung up on how Blacks were treated 150 years ago to now when blacks treat each other like crap instead! These days people sell themselves out for an easy life and a hand full of green paper! That is not a white man thing exclusively! I think we can finally start to see eye to eye when you admit you are not right. I know I am not 100% correct but I do know what is wrong! It is the View point you present here which is wrong! Only blacks were slaves in America? Dude, you even have a clue what a Wage Slave is? Seriously? Do you really know what Exploitation is? Have you seen what it is like working on a Cruise Ship? Seriously again, Disneyland is not all happy and smiles from behind the attractions. Making people happy is Serious Work! Look at what South American and African Miners put up with working for Chinese and Indian companies! And you look at America with such spite and vitriol? You claim to be world traveled. Have you gone anywhere not a tourist destination before? At least I have seen the worst of the worst in Mexico doing volunteer work for the Corizone Foundation!

How about conditions in an Indonesian sweat shop? How about comparing the treatment of Women in general to other nations in consideration of the ideals of a second class citizenship and slavery. Isn't female slavery to a man a concept of a lot of religions especially Christianity and Islam? Or are we just going to focus on what Whitey did to Black men alone? Hell, you want modern slavery, how about the Drug War in Mexico? You don't think they don't make use of slaves?

Don't be the crazy bastard who thought windmills are giants! Its the wrong fight! You cannot fight something like this with such a huge myopic chip on your shoulder. You become the problem you are trying to solve otherwise! So about events in the here and now???? NOT 1877, NOT 1950 through 1970! Not just Blacks and Whites. HERE AND NOW! AMERICA THEY DYSFUNCTIONAL! AMERICA THE HOUSE DIVIDED! How does your position unify us?

It doesn't. Can you not see this?

BTW, want to talk about broken families? HOW ABOUT OUR FOSTER CARE SYSTEM??? Want to open that can of worms? I SURE IN THE HELL DON'T!

Come on, Andy. You know that you want to open it.

if you have four people running 20 miles

and the fourth cant start until the first three are at 15 miles

its nonsense to speak about how all of them can run that last five miles

they arent all running the same distance , even though its the same race

so those who are just at the zero marker, may need a different strategy than those already at the 15 mile mark

its ideal and sounds euphoric to say we are all in the same boat,, and in many ways we are

but its unrealistic not to address the different Rivers and oceans we may have historically had our boat placed in,,economically, educationally, and politically








and why are two philisophically opposed statements so prevalent in all conversations which try to address race relations or history in america?

1. Nobody owes you anything, you have to do it yourself.

2. ITs wrong and unrealistic to want to do for yourself because others have/have had similar struggles.

back on topic

I know of no RECENT teaching of NOI to kill 'whitey'.

I dont agree with everything they believe in, but there is no proof that I know of to support the idea that Farrakhan would advocate for skinning babies or violence against children.

who said anything about unifying, this thread was created specifically to continue disunity. Besides, unity is a mere state of wishfull thinking, nothing will unite Black people, white people nor anyone else, if our so called religous American ideals have failed, what makes you think unity will somehow materializes. Just yesterday someone posted they hate NWAs, seperation of the races is the only solution.

one solution is for peaceloving people of all races to stop being so silent when injustice, violence, and hatred are perpetuated,,,,,


make it 'unfashionable' for a change instead of tolerating everything in the name of 'freedom'

there are far more problems though, and far more 'solutions' that have to work together to resolve them

Although I agree in your suggestion of peaceloving people of all races can indeed accomplish this, first the divine guidence of truth must prevail. Just yesterday on an other post, NWA was used, then today they profess the desire for unity. Hypocricy is the cousin of lier. Lier is contrary to truth. Fear, mistrust, hatred, and the denial of societys present begining of a total breakdown is the major obstical for true harmony. Before one can accomplish such an endeaver, rock bottom will first prevail. As many who profess peace speak with fork tongues. This world will first see itself on the brink of total destruction before peace is achieved. Then, and only then will peace have a chance, as there will be a new beginning. Until then, peace can only be attained in the mind and soul. Until truth prevails, no peace, until justice prevails, no peace, until equality prevails no peace. In the words of Bob Marley, "until the color of a mans skin is no more suggnificant then the color of his eyes, there will be war. Despite that fact, there is always hope.

And as for the question, "and this stuff did not happen to non whites? This question clearly indicates a lack of knowledge in regards to true American history. No white town has ever been leveled by airplanes as was the case in the Greenwood section of Tulsa Oaklahoma in 1922, historically known as the "negro wall st. ethnic cleansing at its peak. So no is the answer, there is no one on this thread or anywhere else who will, can nor desire to post one shred of evidence suggesting other then native Americans the leceling of white towns, businesses, farms, schools, nor people. Timithy Guiness was 13 years old and sat in the electric chair and killed for a crime later proven done by a whiteman. Name one white boy lynched castrated or murdered by a black mob. So the answer to your most perterbing question is a resounding NO! These things were not done to whites. Nor to non slaves.

And as to stay on topic, iv never heard any such call by the nation of Islam to kill "whitey" Yet iv heard recent Skinhesds and other racist groups advocate race war against Blacks and Mexicans and Jews, and gays, and Catholics, who often declare their official mantra ,"Blacks ( they dont use Blacks, the n word is their favorate) dont deserve to breath the same air as a whiteman." This I have heard, and so have many others. As for the crimes other countries commit and have historically commited, it does little to remove our own atrocitys. Atonement does not rests on the actions of others.

Black Lib­er­a­tion The­ol­o­gy is a part of the Black Na­tion­al­ist cult move­ment. Even the founder in the 1920's of the mod­ern mass move­ment, Mar­cus Gar­vey, called him­self a Chris­tian. Black Na­tion­al­ists pose as Jews, Mus­lims and Chris­tians, but in re­al­i­ty they are none of these, but a racist re­li­gious cult move­ment. Ev­ery­one in Amer­i­ca should watch this doc­u­men­tary, made be­fore the Amer­i­can media be­came po­lit­i­cal­ly cor­rect and traitorous. This 90-minute doc­u­men­tary de­scribes black supremacist doc­trine of Na­tion of Islam and other such Black Na­tion­al­ist groups. The doc­trine of Obama's Trin­i­ty Unit­ed Church of Christ, is part of this Black Na­tion­al­ist tra­di­tion. Black Lib­er­a­tion The­ol­o­gy is large­ly de­rived from the the­ol­o­gy of the Na­tion of Islam, which is not or­tho­dox Islam but a black Gnos­tic sect. Black Lib­er­a­tion The­ol­o­gy is more so­phis­ti­cat­ed and ap­peals more to black pro­fes­sion­als, like Obama. It has he same basic geno­ci­dal con­cepts as the Na­tion of Islam. The basic be­lief is that the white man is lit­er­al­ly the Devil/An­tichrist, the black race is the man­i­fes­t

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The Hate that Hate Produced (Farrakhan/Obama/Malcolm X)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ZjYzBJG8o&feature=player_embedded#!

They have found the white man guilty and the sentence is death.

from the king james bible 'the wages of sin is death'

lol@ black descenters

imagine all that anger just because they were being lambasted with fire hoses and beaten with police batons, and treated as subhuman, left out of decent neighborhoods and schools,,.....




I guess that treatment isnt as much grounds for anger or 'hatred' as is extremist killing

muslim hating today is so much more reasonable than 'charging' whites in the fifties with atrocious behavior,,,


thats rich,, I needed a laugh,, thanx

the message related to the times

the times have 'evolved' as have the ideals of NOI and Farrakhan

and I love how the white reporter keeps FINISHING the clips himself , putting words in the mouth of those in the clips,,,

Obama, who is a Black Nationalist with similar beliefs.

The Nation of Islam, New Black Panthers and Black Liberation Theology churches, such as Obama's Trinity United pseudo-Church of Christ in Chicago are all part of the greater Black Nationalist cult movement and have similar genocidal racist beliefs regarding the white race..

Obama's Trinity church is just a higher-class, more sophisticated branch of this racist cult movement. It was originally designed to attract black professionals to the movement. The basic beliefs are essentially the same

oh, give it up already..lol

trinity church has white members and invites white pastors to speak

noone is preaching a hope for genocide

Denial is not a river in Egypt.