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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' |
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... |
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... I understand business, Id have no problem with my 'own' either because I understand the difference between LEGAL LIABILITIES and real effort/responsibility/credit many business models have exceeded because they approach the business as a team effort between employees and upper management and ownership instead of just putting all their eggs in one barrel,,,, |
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... I understand business, Id have no problem with my 'own' either because I understand the difference between LEGAL LIABILITIES and real effort/responsibility/credit many business models have exceeded because they approach the business as a team effort between employees and upper management and ownership instead of just putting all their eggs in one barrel,,,, Of course ONE textbook model of a successful business is to employ teamwork  This theory is also common sense ...Your last sentence is false.....ONE person always has to put all their eggs in one basket, the owner...That's what makes them employers and not employees!.....Huge difference when it come to ultimate RESPONSIBILITY of the success or failure of running a business...Again, see my OP....
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... I understand business, Id have no problem with my 'own' either because I understand the difference between LEGAL LIABILITIES and real effort/responsibility/credit many business models have exceeded because they approach the business as a team effort between employees and upper management and ownership instead of just putting all their eggs in one barrel,,,, Of course ONE textbook model of a successful business is to employ teamwork This theory is also common sense ...Your last sentence is false.....ONE person always has to put all their eggs in one basket, the owner...That's what makes them employers and not employees!.....Huge difference when it come to ultimate RESPONSIBILITY of the success or failure of running a business...Again, see my OP....
we will continue to disagree employees also often have their eggs in one basket, and often they walk away bankrupt and with no ASSETS to speak of everyone is taking a risk, some larger than others, but nonetheless success is a 'cycle' there is no 'stop' point and the cycle involves many people working together, making SUCCESS POSSIBLE |
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Ok, once again I'm attracted to this thread, and once again I see both of you having good points. I believe the buck stops here when it comes to responsibility and I also believe we all have to climb that hill together to be successful. I'm impressed by how strong the both of you are coming off and as a third party wonder how you guys would do working together in the same business? I get the feeling both of you would kick serious butt to get the job done.
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... I understand business, Id have no problem with my 'own' either because I understand the difference between LEGAL LIABILITIES and real effort/responsibility/credit many business models have exceeded because they approach the business as a team effort between employees and upper management and ownership instead of just putting all their eggs in one barrel,,,, Of course ONE textbook model of a successful business is to employ teamwork This theory is also common sense ...Your last sentence is false.....ONE person always has to put all their eggs in one basket, the owner...That's what makes them employers and not employees!.....Huge difference when it come to ultimate RESPONSIBILITY of the success or failure of running a business...Again, see my OP....
we will continue to disagree employees also often have their eggs in one basket, and often they walk away bankrupt and with no ASSETS to speak of everyone is taking a risk, some larger than others, but nonetheless success is a 'cycle' there is no 'stop' point and the cycle involves many people working together, making SUCCESS POSSIBLE No, employees are PAID to do a job, they are not forced, they are not subject to risk unless they have invested money in the business...In other words, if the business is public and they "purchase" stock they risk the amount of the original cost of the shares....Your view of business mirrors your view of our country...whats yours is yours and what theirs is also yours.....Obama misspoke, nothing is going to change it... |
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... I understand business, Id have no problem with my 'own' either because I understand the difference between LEGAL LIABILITIES and real effort/responsibility/credit many business models have exceeded because they approach the business as a team effort between employees and upper management and ownership instead of just putting all their eggs in one barrel,,,, Of course ONE textbook model of a successful business is to employ teamwork This theory is also common sense ...Your last sentence is false.....ONE person always has to put all their eggs in one basket, the owner...That's what makes them employers and not employees!.....Huge difference when it come to ultimate RESPONSIBILITY of the success or failure of running a business...Again, see my OP....
we will continue to disagree employees also often have their eggs in one basket, and often they walk away bankrupt and with no ASSETS to speak of everyone is taking a risk, some larger than others, but nonetheless success is a 'cycle' there is no 'stop' point and the cycle involves many people working together, making SUCCESS POSSIBLE No, employees are PAID to do a job, they are not forced, they are not subject to risk unless they have invested money in the business...In other words, if the business is public and they "purchase" stock they risk the amount of the original cost of the shares....Your view of business mirrors your view of our country...whats yours is yours and what theirs is also yours.....Obama misspoke, nothing is going to change it... employees are only paid as long as they are productive enough to be employed and owners only make profit so long as they are successful enough to do so they both can be equally said to be motivated by what they might GAIN while taking the risk of what they might lose my view of the country is not what you state it is that whats 'ours',,( meaning this country and all the benefits/flaws that come with it) is the 'responsibility' of all of us and we all share in its success or failure, just like a business,,,,although the money sign(investment) will alter significantly , money is not all that matters to me so it doesnt define risk and effort , nor responsibility or credit or blame |
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Ok, once again I'm attracted to this thread, and once again I see both of you having good points. I believe the buck stops here when it comes to responsibility and I also believe we all have to climb that hill together to be successful. I'm impressed by how strong the both of you are coming off and as a third party wonder how you guys would do working together in the same business? I get the feeling both of you would kick serious butt to get the job done. thank you for the compliment I think Leigh is intelligent, but I doubt our styles would match enough to run something together,,, |
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achievement is inspiring, ego is not no man is an island, and the man who can ACHIEVE without tooting their own horn and even AKNOWLEDGING others who help them get there, is VERY INSPIRING,,, What in the heck does ego have to do with my OP?
To make the claim that high-income earners are being subsidized by "the rest of us" takes unmitigated gall there was nothing mentioned about being 'subsidized' either, but the implication is that there is something wrong with pointing out that others HELP the successful BECOME successful and that its preferrable for us to just look at the successful as SELF MADE with no significant or recognizable/significant contribution from anyone else,,, thats EGO... there is nothing mythical about the reality that it takes a VILLAGE, ,not just to raise a child, but to raise up a BUSINESS without the village,, you just will have a building that you have to lose or sell,,, They are getting PAID for their Work,or getting a Service or Goods for their Money! The Notion that ALL of us have Stake in it is unmitigated Collectivist Propaganda! |
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achievement is inspiring, ego is not no man is an island, and the man who can ACHIEVE without tooting their own horn and even AKNOWLEDGING others who help them get there, is VERY INSPIRING,,, What in the heck does ego have to do with my OP?
To make the claim that high-income earners are being subsidized by "the rest of us" takes unmitigated gall there was nothing mentioned about being 'subsidized' either, but the implication is that there is something wrong with pointing out that others HELP the successful BECOME successful and that its preferrable for us to just look at the successful as SELF MADE with no significant or recognizable/significant contribution from anyone else,,, thats EGO... there is nothing mythical about the reality that it takes a VILLAGE, ,not just to raise a child, but to raise up a BUSINESS without the village,, you just will have a building that you have to lose or sell,,, They are getting PAID for their Work,or getting a Service or Goods for their Money! The Notion that ALL of us have Stake in it is unmitigated Collectivist Propaganda! pay does not guarantee a good product, a good service, or a good worker there is more than just the money businessowners get 'paid' as well through profit, if the profit dries up they loose what they invested but that was the risk they wanted to take to earn THEIR income employees are earning income too,, whether they CHOSE an initial monetary risk or not,, once they depend upon that income they continue to be at just as much risk of 'losing' what they have worked towards,,,, |
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... I understand business, Id have no problem with my 'own' either because I understand the difference between LEGAL LIABILITIES and real effort/responsibility/credit many business models have exceeded because they approach the business as a team effort between employees and upper management and ownership instead of just putting all their eggs in one barrel,,,, Of course ONE textbook model of a successful business is to employ teamwork This theory is also common sense ...Your last sentence is false.....ONE person always has to put all their eggs in one basket, the owner...That's what makes them employers and not employees!.....Huge difference when it come to ultimate RESPONSIBILITY of the success or failure of running a business...Again, see my OP....
we will continue to disagree employees also often have their eggs in one basket, and often they walk away bankrupt and with no ASSETS to speak of everyone is taking a risk, some larger than others, but nonetheless success is a 'cycle' there is no 'stop' point and the cycle involves many people working together, making SUCCESS POSSIBLE No, employees are PAID to do a job, they are not forced, they are not subject to risk unless they have invested money in the business...In other words, if the business is public and they "purchase" stock they risk the amount of the original cost of the shares....Your view of business mirrors your view of our country...whats yours is yours and what theirs is also yours.....Obama misspoke, nothing is going to change it... employees are only paid as long as they are productive enough to be employed and owners only make profit so long as they are successful enough to do so they both can be equally said to be motivated by what they might GAIN while taking the risk of what they might lose my view of the country is not what you state it is that whats 'ours',,( meaning this country and all the benefits/flaws that come with it) is the 'responsibility' of all of us and we all share in its success or failure, just like a business,,,,although the money sign(investment) will alter significantly , money is not all that matters to me so it doesnt define risk and effort , nor responsibility or credit or blame I am glad to hear/read everything you just posted Harmony...Regardless of the fact that we are at complete odds about business and how it operates I not only consider you a "cyber" friend, I enjoy debating with you...If we continue to debate the topic, it might turn into an arguement...I don't want that to happen...I am not downplaying the benefit of education, especially when it comes to opening doors to opportunity, but it will never supercede hands on experience..... |
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the roads arent built by ONE persons taxes, its a community and not everyone has the PERSONAL help, from a teacher, or a friend, or a business person,,, but everyone NEEDS Some help sometimes ,,,there is nothing insulting about those truths... unless people choose to feel insulted pretend the word 'alone' was at the end of the sentence and be done with it already if you did it, you didnt do it ALONE (meaning with NO help, regardless of where the help came from) success doesnt happen in a vacuum, it takes the right products and services, the right management, the right patrons, the right employees and doesnt happen with the mere and singular effort of ONE person Before any of the things you list can matter, it takes the right INDIVIDUAL....If this were not true, everyone who wanted optimum income and financial security would simply start their own "successful" company ...You couldn't be more wrong about who is responsible for the success or failure of a business ... it STARTS somewhere,, everything does, but that does not mean it always ENDS the same place THAT Requires a number of other things to happen and the right PEOPLE to make it happen But the person who claims ownership of that business has ultimate control of the day to day running, whether successful or not, it falls to the owner or president if it's a corporation...I am beginning to see why you give Obama so much rope....The buck always stops somewhere...If you don't believe me, ask Oprah..... you are exactly right, that is where our philosophies split I believe the adage that the 'buck stops here' is a bs cliche used to make things simple and to either make some feel better than others by getting all the credit or worse than others by getting all the blame I believe VERY FEW things in life occur (as I often post) in a vaccum but instead as a result of several things and people coming together at the right time in the right way,,, legally there is a 'responsible' party,, but realistically and morally there is rarely only one party 'responsible' Well then my advice to you (even though you are not asking) is don't start your own company....With an attitude like that, you will never make it through your first major problem because in business the adage "The buck stops here" is not a cliche, it is a reality...see my OP.... I understand business, Id have no problem with my 'own' either because I understand the difference between LEGAL LIABILITIES and real effort/responsibility/credit many business models have exceeded because they approach the business as a team effort between employees and upper management and ownership instead of just putting all their eggs in one barrel,,,, Of course ONE textbook model of a successful business is to employ teamwork This theory is also common sense ...Your last sentence is false.....ONE person always has to put all their eggs in one basket, the owner...That's what makes them employers and not employees!.....Huge difference when it come to ultimate RESPONSIBILITY of the success or failure of running a business...Again, see my OP....
we will continue to disagree employees also often have their eggs in one basket, and often they walk away bankrupt and with no ASSETS to speak of everyone is taking a risk, some larger than others, but nonetheless success is a 'cycle' there is no 'stop' point and the cycle involves many people working together, making SUCCESS POSSIBLE No, employees are PAID to do a job, they are not forced, they are not subject to risk unless they have invested money in the business...In other words, if the business is public and they "purchase" stock they risk the amount of the original cost of the shares....Your view of business mirrors your view of our country...whats yours is yours and what theirs is also yours.....Obama misspoke, nothing is going to change it... employees are only paid as long as they are productive enough to be employed and owners only make profit so long as they are successful enough to do so they both can be equally said to be motivated by what they might GAIN while taking the risk of what they might lose my view of the country is not what you state it is that whats 'ours',,( meaning this country and all the benefits/flaws that come with it) is the 'responsibility' of all of us and we all share in its success or failure, just like a business,,,,although the money sign(investment) will alter significantly , money is not all that matters to me so it doesnt define risk and effort , nor responsibility or credit or blame I am glad to hear/read everything you just posted Harmony...Regardless of the fact that we are at complete odds about business and how it operates I not only consider you a "cyber" friend, I enjoy debating with you...If we continue to debate the topic, it might turn into an arguement...I don't want that to happen...I am not downplaying the benefit of education, especially when it comes to opening doors to opportunity, but it will never supercede hands on experience..... np |
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Here's what I see. Both of you have strong views however could both of you work together? I see a country in grid and if this grid does not break and start working together we are going to hit a wall that will (and is) destroying the foundation beyond repair. Something is currently very wrong with the system. When I say currently I'm going back a little before Nixon.
I don't think the 2 party system is working any more. And I don't see anyone willing to find the common ground. I don't see the President or Mitt willing to find common ground and therefore for myself I will not vote for either. I hope and pray we find a 3rd party solution before we go into total collapse and I don't think we realize just how very close to this we really are. 5 months from now we are going to be in the exact same place "grid". No matter who wins we loose because we did not change the system this election. We need to do something different than looking at one of these 2 parties and say every 4 years "you screwed us". Something is very wrong with this back and forth thing. |
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Here's what I see. Both of you have strong views however could both of you work together? I see a country in grid and if this grid does not break and start working together we are going to hit a wall that will (and is) destroying the foundation beyond repair. Something is currently very wrong with the system. When I say currently I'm going back a little before Nixon. I don't think the 2 party system is working any more. And I don't see anyone willing to find the common ground. I don't see the President or Mitt willing to find common ground and therefore for myself I will not vote for either. I hope and pray we find a 3rd party solution before we go into total collapse and I don't think we realize just how very close to this we really are. 5 months from now we are going to be in the exact same place "grid". No matter who wins we loose because we did not change the system this election. We need to do something different than looking at one of these 2 parties and say every 4 years "you screwed us". Something is very wrong with this back and forth thing. common ground is hard to find amongst three hundred million, if not impossible I think we have to push for reasonable ground (and reasonable is very subjective too amongst the masses) I dont think the number of parties will change the basic human nature that is causing the rifts in opinion about what the best solutions are ,,,,, I hope that we can let go of some of the ego though , in the future, and actually have a government bent on working together as a team for the country as opposed to just being the party that is 'right' or the politician that is 'better for the country' once elections are over, there should be no more party politics or singular personalities,, it should be a team |
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Here's what I see. Both of you have strong views however could both of you work together? I see a country in grid and if this grid does not break and start working together we are going to hit a wall that will (and is) destroying the foundation beyond repair. Something is currently very wrong with the system. When I say currently I'm going back a little before Nixon. I don't think the 2 party system is working any more. And I don't see anyone willing to find the common ground. I don't see the President or Mitt willing to find common ground and therefore for myself I will not vote for either. I hope and pray we find a 3rd party solution before we go into total collapse and I don't think we realize just how very close to this we really are. 5 months from now we are going to be in the exact same place "grid". No matter who wins we loose because we did not change the system this election. We need to do something different than looking at one of these 2 parties and say every 4 years "you screwed us". Something is very wrong with this back and forth thing. I just had this conversation with my brother when he called this morning!...Only difference between what he said and what you are saying Michael is he took the problem back to Clinton, not Nixon...I have been saying as much for a long, long time...I am most upset with Obama for driving that divide rather than using his position of leadership to curtail what has now progressed to such extreme bi-partisan politics it has created political gridlock!...The battle of the parties is good with respect to maintaining balance, but when it becomes so intense that it undermines the health of a country it is time to begin thinking outside the box... 
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We need real change not another 2 party election.
I know that many are thinking this way and I hope it becomes widely talked about after we get this election over. Personally I think this particular election is a lost cause. Last year I went down and talked to the folks that were in one of those 99 camps here in town. I didn't get the answers I was looking for but thought that this is going to need to be done more regular to get the attention of people that the system is broke. Really broke! I don't even think it is a matter of who is right at this point. It's a matter of not being able to adjust to this fast moving world with much faster moving answers. Our system has become old school in it's approach to dealing with issues that these days need a faster responce time. Our congress and senate are moving at the pace of snails as compared to our new world economy. I can't help but feel that maybe we put the wrong people in place over the last 12 years. Not only in the President's chair. We need to think about mixing it up a little more and moving some of the old school out or at least make sure they are up to speed. for example In the 80's we over built strip malls not thinking that the computer age was right on top of us. As a result we began an imbalance to our local biz sector. We cried when mom and pop's went out instead of being ready for cyber. Our government does this same type of response in politics instead of being a head of the game. We no longer live in the age of putting out the fire governments and this is what we have been doing. If it's not broke don't fix it is so old school that it takes no time to fall behind the world pace. Our answers are really not that difficult we just need to run instead of walk these days. We are fighting battles within our governement that have for gone conclusions already but we are too worried about public opinion (election votes) to go ahead and make the jumps necessary to bring us up to date. Schooling, taxes, housing, fuel, health are not that difficult and we all know how they are going to end up but we drag our feet which today is costing us a fortune. If we are not careful we are going to loose our federal government all together and have to go to state governments for a while. We are also with our types of campaigning ads building tons of insecurities into the American psyche. The American brain is far different than it was 20 years ago and attack ads are more dangerous than we think. We actually think that after an election cycle we feel more comfortable with our choices? I'm scared to death of these guys who might be taking oath by the time the campaigns have ended. And I'm to trust that this same guy after getting elected is going to befriend his enemy? Sorry, not buying it. Worse of all the kids who are watching this are going to be the ones who make our future a bright one? No Thanks. We are being totally immature and ads should be censored and rated. One might say "we're all adults here", well then we should act like it. Respect needs to start at the top and I don't buy for a second that any of this is helping to restore our country. Some idiot somewhere realized that people respond to negativity over positive input. As a result we have been suffering from the desease of downward motion because we are too afraid to be a minority. Too afraid of the real changes we face. Too afraid that we might have to change our way of thinking and maybe living. To afraid to loose what we think we own. Well, personally I think the folks on that hill in DC should have to sit R D R D R D till they start getting along, and if not they should be forced to leave. My name is MG and I approve this message. |
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We need real change not another 2 party election. I know that many are thinking this way and I hope it becomes widely talked about after we get this election over. Personally I think this particular election is a lost cause. Last year I went down and talked to the folks that were in one of those 99 camps here in town. I didn't get the answers I was looking for but thought that this is going to need to be done more regular to get the attention of people that the system is broke. Really broke! I don't even think it is a matter of who is right at this point. It's a matter of not being able to adjust to this fast moving world with much faster moving answers. Our system has become old school in it's approach to dealing with issues that these days need a faster responce time. Our congress and senate are moving at the pace of snails as compared to our new world economy. I can't help but feel that maybe we put the wrong people in place over the last 12 years. Not only in the President's chair. We need to think about mixing it up a little more and moving some of the old school out or at least make sure they are up to speed. for example In the 80's we over built strip malls not thinking that the computer age was right on top of us. As a result we began an imbalance to our local biz sector. We cried when mom and pop's went out instead of being ready for cyber. Our government does this same type of response in politics instead of being a head of the game. We no longer live in the age of putting out the fire governments and this is what we have been doing. If it's not broke don't fix it is so old school that it takes no time to fall behind the world pace. Our answers are really not that difficult we just need to run instead of walk these days. We are fighting battles within our governement that have for gone conclusions already but we are too worried about public opinion (election votes) to go ahead and make the jumps necessary to bring us up to date. Schooling, taxes, housing, fuel, health are not that difficult and we all know how they are going to end up but we drag our feet which today is costing us a fortune. If we are not careful we are going to loose our federal government all together and have to go to state governments for a while. We are also with our types of campaigning ads building tons of insecurities into the American psyche. The American brain is far different than it was 20 years ago and attack ads are more dangerous than we think. We actually think that after an election cycle we feel more comfortable with our choices? I'm scared to death of these guys who might be taking oath by the time the campaigns have ended. And I'm to trust that this same guy after getting elected is going to befriend his enemy? Sorry, not buying it. Worse of all the kids who are watching this are going to be the ones who make our future a bright one? No Thanks. We are being totally immature and ads should be censored and rated. One might say "we're all adults here", well then we should act like it. Respect needs to start at the top and I don't buy for a second that any of this is helping to restore our country. Some idiot somewhere realized that people respond to negativity over positive input. As a result we have been suffering from the desease of downward motion because we are too afraid to be a minority. Too afraid of the real changes we face. Too afraid that we might have to change our way of thinking and maybe living. To afraid to loose what we think we own. Well, personally I think the folks on that hill in DC should have to sit R D R D R D till they start getting along, and if not they should be forced to leave. My name is MG and I approve this message. Whew!! The upcoming election is not a lost cause, it's a game changer and I'll tell you why...If Obama is re-elected rather than do what's needed to fix problems he will continue to throw money at them...Won't work and will result in the country going broke or his impeachment...If Romney is elected nothing will happen...Health care reform will be repealed or completely overhauled and GOP will maintain their status quo for the next four years because Romney will also be a one term president....The absolute best scenario is for Romney to be elected because sitting still is way better than falling even further behind if Obama is re-elected.... The US in in sync with the world economy...It just seems like we aren't because other countries are fast forwarding to catch up...This is not a bad thing Michael...US is still the power country and we still lead in technology, that's why China steals R&D from us and not other countries...Even though the gap is narrowing as more countries play catch up, they will never have the "complete" package America has and they know it...Since a world economy is inevitable we must strive for and achieve world peace... Education....This is a real problem and one that will not be easily fixed....Money alone has not and will not solve it ...Worldwide, the US ranks #1 in spending per student, yet we rank 21st in graduating our high school students, 25th in math, and 21st in science....Education involves much more than money...It involves the student, the family unit, the community, the teachers, the Board of ED...You can't fix a whole problem by focusing on only one part.... |
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You can't fix a whole problem by focusing on only one part....
I agree not all spending is equal, we may be spending more but I dont think we are spending it on educational resources that PREPARE the kids,,, |
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You can't fix a whole problem by focusing on only one part.... I agree not all spending is equal, we may be spending more but I dont think we are spending it on educational resources that PREPARE the kids,,, Probably not ...BUT I don't think it's the responsibility of government to finance that preparation either... |
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