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They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... Welfare mentality addicts will always defend their drug. Little history on welfare. I was there though part of the beginnings. Once upon a time, Churches and civic organizations would go around and gather unsellable food items and distribute them to needy folks. Then, one day, the mean, old, greedy, ogre Corporation woke up and saw his pile of gold wasn't coming in as large as it used to. So, he, along with some ogre friends, Congress, came up with a plan to make Corporate ogre's gold pile large again. They passed laws taxing the humble citizens of the land. They were much more humble and naive back the because the news stations were not allowed to show the true faces of the ogre Congress or ogre Corporations. The taxes stopped the of free food to Churches and other organizations that fed the poor and needy. The ogre Corp commanded that all foods that didn't sell be either returned to process for other things like pet foods, fertilizers, etc. Or dumped into the dumpsters. One day, an innocent ogre employee reported that he has seen people diving into the dumpsters and retrieving food. The first action the ogre Corp commanded was for the outlets to taint, (poison), the food. After some people got sick and some died, the lowly citizen sued ogre Corp. and the ogre fed fined them a meager amount and told them to stop. They stopped and now, today, all the outlets throw their unsellable meats and veggies into sealed dumpsters. The only people who can get to it are some of the brave employees who steal it from the ogre Corp. They risk their job and jail to do it. Ogre Corp and ogre Congress, including all of DC, are sitting fat. Laughing all the way to the bank while, the humble Tax Payer supports many who choose indulge in their welfare crack. Ex ogre Presidents and other ogre politicians live happily ever after The End ___________________________________________________________________ Welfare should be a moral obligation. Not a legal one. No more forced Welfare Tax! no more forced school tax either, while we are at it,, it shouldnt be a 'legal' obligation no more forced military pay (taxes) either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations no more forced infrastructure tax either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations people should choose to donate to schools if they are going to use them,,,see how many generations we will get through before we are overrun with embeciles.. people should choose to donate to military if they agree to having a military, ,, see how long those 'patriots' continue to serve.... people should also choose to donate to keeping up the roads and buildings,, see how long before we also 'look' like a third world country as our haves and have nots define a third world country divide,,, heck, we can cut the budget by 1/8 getting rid of welfare and another 1/4 by getting rid of military,,,,,thats a whopping 3/8 we should certainly have a better BUDGET , damn what kind of COUNTRY we are left with though,,lol when it happens ,I can move to any of the other WESTERN countries doing just as well and not GRIPING about taking care of their own,,,, What do schools, military, and infrastructure have to do with welfare? 
the argument that being 'forced' to pay others with OUR money if we dont want to,,,the argument that some payments should be MORAL Decisions instead of obligationg can be applied to the military and public education as well.. perhaps some of us feel having weapons and going to war is a moral issue,, or educating children,,,,, perhapss some of us feel everyone should not be forced to contribute to the 'welfare' of the nations protection, or the 'welfare' of other peoples children being educated if we follow the example set by withdrawing mandatory support for feeding children , we can withdraw mandatory support for educating them ......surely... No, no, no Harmony...Your argument is void, empty...If you want to argue for welfare, do it...You don't need to use BS to make your point...The people contributing to your thread seem intelligent, concerned, engaged...Stop making this about feeding children...When you see people selling food stamps to get money to buy cigs and booze that argument sounds trite at best...The discussion is NOT about people being unwilling to help those that TRUELY need help, it is about "what we deserve" remember, you picked the topic....Stop trying to candy coat it...Stop trying to lump welfare in with everything every single tax dollar is spent on....IMO, you are just making the problems worse by pushing the idea that people who work should support people people who don't work because they have young children, or because they have children with fathers who don't pay, or because they are black, or because they are women, or because there is a recession, or because we tax people for schools, roads, bridges, military ...I know a woman who can't walk, she is paralized from the waist down, who makes a very good living typing medical transcripts from her home.....All she needed was a computer and some brain power........ 
nope, you are using THIEVES to justify Im not talking about thieves, Im talking about the predominant REASON and use for welfare which is to help people feed and take care of their families in hard times,,, I know people who get through tough times too, but guess what, they all used some HELP from somewhere,, regardless of how many stubborn people REFUSE To believe it people dont achieve in a vaccum, they have resources, assistance of some type,, although most never want to admit it and most prefer to claim they do it 'all by themself' when the argument is about what someones 'tax' money goes to, the relevant comparison is of other things 'tax' money goes to,,, This mentality is exactly what I am talking about...You have NO idea what people do, how they achieve what they achieve..Many DO do it by themselves Harmony!...The argument IS NOT about how tax dollars are spent, the argument is about "WHAT WE DESERVE"..... lol, wrong give me an example of someone doing it 'themself' and I promise you I can show where SOMEONE helped them,,,by giving them the opportunity, or the reference, or the resource,,,,or some other resource they may not have PERSONALLY had,,,, even your disabled friend, I imagine, received some RESOURCE to get her through the time it took to earn the proper certifications to type transcripts,,, Yes, you imagine...but you really don't know do you...You're just h*ll bent on justifying forced handouts.....lol,lol,lol nope, just hell bent on destroying the idea that there is anyone who doesnt or hasnt required 'help' at some point in their life,,,or that it makes them less 'deserving' than anyone else,,, Hasn't needed help, or hasn't needed a welfare check....? same thing, different resource but still help just the same,,, Not the same thing at all....lol only to those who refuse to see it that way still, noone has answered how my 'welfare' eheck was any less deserved than someones 'employment' check when I was likewise 'working' everyday,,,,, are we supposed to only survive when others give us the 'opportunity' to earn a living,,? and when that opportunity is not surfacing, what do we with families do then...? EVen though we have skills to offer and willing to work but not able to find an 'employer'?...... that welfare check is undeserved huh? The problem with your reasoning is this...you are taking it personally, you can't be objective because it is a handout you feel you not only deserve, but earn.....This may very well be true Harmony, but it is not a valid argument for the the question "What we deserve"....Start a new thread and call it "What I deserve"...Defend it with some facts people can relate to.....Can you not see why some people might object to your reasoning when you continue to reference yourself as proof positive the welfare system works?...It is broken, it needs reform in the worst way....Are you saying this is not true?.... of course I take it personally, as I Would if people lumped women together, or blacks together, as I Am a member of both when people continue perpetuating the stereotype of the 'lazy' welfare recipient getting paid to do nothing, of course it irritates me its no worse than the stereotype that blacks are lazy or women are incapable if we want to be intellectually honest and say there are some black people (as some of every type of people) who are lazy, I wont take it persona if we say there are some women who are incapable(as are some of every other type of people), I wont take it personal if we want to say there is fraud and misuse in the welfare system (As there is in every other system) I wont take it personal I have conceded there are flaws in the system, I know of no system that isnt perfect,, but the constant attack on PEOPLE who need help is not the same as a discussion on how to improve the system I don't see a constant attack on PEOPLE who need help...I see a constant attack on welfare as being a program based on a flawed principle and an OP who refuses to address the issues presented ....I can only assume you have no redress, no defense, as you just keep hammering away at the fact that you deserve your welfare check and those with more money than you are obligated to help you...The truth is, they are not obligated to help you....they are forced by a law that is unconstitutional....Furthermore, the welfare program is not working for everyone, it is not working for nearly enough....It DOES foster dependence, it undermines enterprise and autonomy...Every society is going to have some who are so lacking in ability, energy, ambition that they will fail...Some can be helped by charity, BUT NOT ALL.... it is not about helping ME it is about putting back into the AMERICAN COMMUNITY its not about forcing people to help any individual, its forcing a communityto contribute to a rainy day account so it can be there when needed for the less fortunate amongst them just as education is an investment in future potential so is the resource to provide BASICS for families hitting hard times,,, the terminology certainly attacks the character and value of INDIVIDUALS,, Im surprised there is anyone who doesnt see that,,,, BS Harmony!!!!!!!!....Putting back into the community, don't make me laugh...It's about putting WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY into someone else's hand....TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE HAVES TO THE HAVE NOTs....Paint it any color you choose, it will not change the shape.... |
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Willing is righ Harmony...if you want to help those less fortunate, have at it....
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Just like we take it personally when you steal our money and say you deserve it. see what I mean maybe I dont think people DSERVE My money to create wars maybe I dont think people DESERVE my money to send their kids to school once mine get done with theirs I sure as hell DESERVE the basics so long as I am a contributing (translate working in some fashion that helps others) member of society,,, that you feel its not valid unless its from an employers payroll is part of the problem,,, We don't create wars. Feel free to stop using the internet, microwaves, Canned food, GPS, penicillin as those are are from military funding. You went to school and you pay for it. It's more of a backpay and even if your kids don't go their your companies customers did or they wouldn't have an education to give them a disposable income and society would collapse. We also wouldn't be a country without a military. Pretty sure we would survive without people on welfare. If someone is giving you money for a service that is fine. People on welfare are nit providing me a service. Now if the government wants to give me coupons based on what I pay into welfare and give people on welfare a point system based on how much money they receive then maybe we can work something out. Then say I could use those coupons to have someone mow my lawn or wash my car or some other simple task. Then service will be provided to those paying this money. People get paid by the person they provide a service too. What is going on currently is akin to stealing. Giving should be a choice. If you take it, it is stealing. |
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They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... Welfare mentality addicts will always defend their drug. Little history on welfare. I was there though part of the beginnings. Once upon a time, Churches and civic organizations would go around and gather unsellable food items and distribute them to needy folks. Then, one day, the mean, old, greedy, ogre Corporation woke up and saw his pile of gold wasn't coming in as large as it used to. So, he, along with some ogre friends, Congress, came up with a plan to make Corporate ogre's gold pile large again. They passed laws taxing the humble citizens of the land. They were much more humble and naive back the because the news stations were not allowed to show the true faces of the ogre Congress or ogre Corporations. The taxes stopped the of free food to Churches and other organizations that fed the poor and needy. The ogre Corp commanded that all foods that didn't sell be either returned to process for other things like pet foods, fertilizers, etc. Or dumped into the dumpsters. One day, an innocent ogre employee reported that he has seen people diving into the dumpsters and retrieving food. The first action the ogre Corp commanded was for the outlets to taint, (poison), the food. After some people got sick and some died, the lowly citizen sued ogre Corp. and the ogre fed fined them a meager amount and told them to stop. They stopped and now, today, all the outlets throw their unsellable meats and veggies into sealed dumpsters. The only people who can get to it are some of the brave employees who steal it from the ogre Corp. They risk their job and jail to do it. Ogre Corp and ogre Congress, including all of DC, are sitting fat. Laughing all the way to the bank while, the humble Tax Payer supports many who choose indulge in their welfare crack. Ex ogre Presidents and other ogre politicians live happily ever after The End ___________________________________________________________________ Welfare should be a moral obligation. Not a legal one. No more forced Welfare Tax! no more forced school tax either, while we are at it,, it shouldnt be a 'legal' obligation no more forced military pay (taxes) either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations no more forced infrastructure tax either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations people should choose to donate to schools if they are going to use them,,,see how many generations we will get through before we are overrun with embeciles.. people should choose to donate to military if they agree to having a military, ,, see how long those 'patriots' continue to serve.... people should also choose to donate to keeping up the roads and buildings,, see how long before we also 'look' like a third world country as our haves and have nots define a third world country divide,,, heck, we can cut the budget by 1/8 getting rid of welfare and another 1/4 by getting rid of military,,,,,thats a whopping 3/8 we should certainly have a better BUDGET , damn what kind of COUNTRY we are left with though,,lol when it happens ,I can move to any of the other WESTERN countries doing just as well and not GRIPING about taking care of their own,,,, What do schools, military, and infrastructure have to do with welfare?
the argument that being 'forced' to pay others with OUR money if we dont want to,,,the argument that some payments should be MORAL Decisions instead of obligationg can be applied to the military and public education as well.. perhaps some of us feel having weapons and going to war is a moral issue,, or educating children,,,,, perhapss some of us feel everyone should not be forced to contribute to the 'welfare' of the nations protection, or the 'welfare' of other peoples children being educated if we follow the example set by withdrawing mandatory support for feeding children , we can withdraw mandatory support for educating them ......surely... No, no, no Harmony...Your argument is void, empty...If you want to argue for welfare, do it...You don't need to use BS to make your point...The people contributing to your thread seem intelligent, concerned, engaged...Stop making this about feeding children...When you see people selling food stamps to get money to buy cigs and booze that argument sounds trite at best...The discussion is NOT about people being unwilling to help those that TRUELY need help, it is about "what we deserve" remember, you picked the topic....Stop trying to candy coat it...Stop trying to lump welfare in with everything every single tax dollar is spent on....IMO, you are just making the problems worse by pushing the idea that people who work should support people people who don't work because they have young children, or because they have children with fathers who don't pay, or because they are black, or because they are women, or because there is a recession, or because we tax people for schools, roads, bridges, military ...I know a woman who can't walk, she is paralized from the waist down, who makes a very good living typing medical transcripts from her home.....All she needed was a computer and some brain power........
nope, you are using THIEVES to justify Im not talking about thieves, Im talking about the predominant REASON and use for welfare which is to help people feed and take care of their families in hard times,,, I know people who get through tough times too, but guess what, they all used some HELP from somewhere,, regardless of how many stubborn people REFUSE To believe it people dont achieve in a vaccum, they have resources, assistance of some type,, although most never want to admit it and most prefer to claim they do it 'all by themself' when the argument is about what someones 'tax' money goes to, the relevant comparison is of other things 'tax' money goes to,,, This mentality is exactly what I am talking about...You have NO idea what people do, how they achieve what they achieve..Many DO do it by themselves Harmony!...The argument IS NOT about how tax dollars are spent, the argument is about "WHAT WE DESERVE"..... lol, wrong give me an example of someone doing it 'themself' and I promise you I can show where SOMEONE helped them,,,by giving them the opportunity, or the reference, or the resource,,,,or some other resource they may not have PERSONALLY had,,,, even your disabled friend, I imagine, received some RESOURCE to get her through the time it took to earn the proper certifications to type transcripts,,, Yes, you imagine...but you really don't know do you...You're just h*ll bent on justifying forced handouts.....lol,lol,lol nope, just hell bent on destroying the idea that there is anyone who doesnt or hasnt required 'help' at some point in their life,,,or that it makes them less 'deserving' than anyone else,,, Hasn't needed help, or hasn't needed a welfare check....? same thing, different resource but still help just the same,,, Not the same thing at all....lol only to those who refuse to see it that way still, noone has answered how my 'welfare' eheck was any less deserved than someones 'employment' check when I was likewise 'working' everyday,,,,, are we supposed to only survive when others give us the 'opportunity' to earn a living,,? and when that opportunity is not surfacing, what do we with families do then...? EVen though we have skills to offer and willing to work but not able to find an 'employer'?...... that welfare check is undeserved huh? The problem with your reasoning is this...you are taking it personally, you can't be objective because it is a handout you feel you not only deserve, but earn.....This may very well be true Harmony, but it is not a valid argument for the the question "What we deserve"....Start a new thread and call it "What I deserve"...Defend it with some facts people can relate to.....Can you not see why some people might object to your reasoning when you continue to reference yourself as proof positive the welfare system works?...It is broken, it needs reform in the worst way....Are you saying this is not true?.... of course I take it personally, as I Would if people lumped women together, or blacks together, as I Am a member of both when people continue perpetuating the stereotype of the 'lazy' welfare recipient getting paid to do nothing, of course it irritates me its no worse than the stereotype that blacks are lazy or women are incapable if we want to be intellectually honest and say there are some black people (as some of every type of people) who are lazy, I wont take it persona if we say there are some women who are incapable(as are some of every other type of people), I wont take it personal if we want to say there is fraud and misuse in the welfare system (As there is in every other system) I wont take it personal I have conceded there are flaws in the system, I know of no system that isnt perfect,, but the constant attack on PEOPLE who need help is not the same as a discussion on how to improve the system I don't see a constant attack on PEOPLE who need help...I see a constant attack on welfare as being a program based on a flawed principle and an OP who refuses to address the issues presented ....I can only assume you have no redress, no defense, as you just keep hammering away at the fact that you deserve your welfare check and those with more money than you are obligated to help you...The truth is, they are not obligated to help you....they are forced by a law that is unconstitutional....Furthermore, the welfare program is not working for everyone, it is not working for nearly enough....It DOES foster dependence, it undermines enterprise and autonomy...Every society is going to have some who are so lacking in ability, energy, ambition that they will fail...Some can be helped by charity, BUT NOT ALL.... it is not about helping ME it is about putting back into the AMERICAN COMMUNITY its not about forcing people to help any individual, its forcing a communityto contribute to a rainy day account so it can be there when needed for the less fortunate amongst them just as education is an investment in future potential so is the resource to provide BASICS for families hitting hard times,,, the terminology certainly attacks the character and value of INDIVIDUALS,, Im surprised there is anyone who doesnt see that,,,, BS Harmony!!!!!!!!....Putting back into the community, don't make me laugh...It's about putting WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY into someone else's hand....TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE HAVES TO THE HAVE NOTs....Paint it any color you choose, it will not change the shape.... BS,, and Im tired of the discussion at this point believe that the budget is just a system of monetary transfer that is linear,, just from one hand to another,,, as opposed to a cycle that can go through several cycles and exchanges matters not to me anymore,,,, kudos,,, |
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Just like we take it personally when you steal our money and say you deserve it. see what I mean maybe I dont think people DSERVE My money to create wars maybe I dont think people DESERVE my money to send their kids to school once mine get done with theirs I sure as hell DESERVE the basics so long as I am a contributing (translate working in some fashion that helps others) member of society,,, that you feel its not valid unless its from an employers payroll is part of the problem,,, We don't create wars. Feel free to stop using the internet, microwaves, Canned food, GPS, penicillin as those are are from military funding. You went to school and you pay for it. It's more of a backpay and even if your kids don't go their your companies customers did or they wouldn't have an education to give them a disposable income and society would collapse. We also wouldn't be a country without a military. Pretty sure we would survive without people on welfare. If someone is giving you money for a service that is fine. People on welfare are nit providing me a service. Now if the government wants to give me coupons based on what I pay into welfare and give people on welfare a point system based on how much money they receive then maybe we can work something out. Then say I could use those coupons to have someone mow my lawn or wash my car or some other simple task. Then service will be provided to those paying this money. People get paid by the person they provide a service too. What is going on currently is akin to stealing. Giving should be a choice. If you take it, it is stealing. sure, enjoy all the services your taxes personally give back to you,,,, 
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BS Harmony!!!!!!!!....Putting back into the community, don't make me laugh...It's about putting WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY into someone else's hand....TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE HAVES TO THE HAVE NOTs....Paint it any color you choose, it will not change the shape.... BS,, and Im tired of the discussion at this point believe that the budget is just a system of monetary transfer that is linear,, just from one hand to another,,, as opposed to a cycle that can go through several cycles and exchanges matters not to me anymore,,,, kudos,,, Budget?....I was never talking about the budget...I was talking about one specific part of the budget, welfare..... Kudos?  ...Come on Harmony, it's just a debate....
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In a community, it's give and take.
For the community to prosper, one must be willing to give back more than they take. For the Tax Payer, it would be nice if they were given a picture and a brief history of who they are supporting. I'll be the lucky one to get the fat gal with 12 kids. Her and all them sporting gold teeth, rings and necklaces, standing next to their brand new Porsche Cayenne Hybrid texting each other from their Android phones, in front of the welfare office. |
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Edited by
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Tue 07/03/12 03:30 PM
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In a community, it's give and take. For the community to prosper, one must be willing to give back more than they take. For the Tax Payer, it would be nice if they were given a picture and a brief history of who they are supporting. I'll be the lucky one to get the fat gal with 12 kids. Her and all them sporting gold teeth, rings and necklaces, standing next to their brand new Porsche Cayenne Hybrid texting each other from their Android phones, in front of the welfare office. But if you say that out loud, it means you don't care...Those who work the hardest care the most...Those who have something to contribute DESERVE to choose their charity...Not up to government to dictate.... |
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InvictusV
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Tue 07/03/12 03:57 PM
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BS Harmony!!!!!!!!....Putting back into the community, don't make me laugh...It's about putting WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY into someone else's hand....TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE HAVES TO THE HAVE NOTs....Paint it any color you choose, it will not change the shape.... BS,, and Im tired of the discussion at this point believe that the budget is just a system of monetary transfer that is linear,, just from one hand to another,,, as opposed to a cycle that can go through several cycles and exchanges matters not to me anymore,,,, kudos,,, This what it boils down to.. You have 100 people. Say 40 have done the right things throughout their entire lives. Applied themselves in high school got into college or just entered the workforce and worked towards improving their skill sets. Either way they worked hard. 50 either f**ked off during high school or put their social life ahead of all else. They didn't give a f**k because they just didn't feel like it. 10 have either some sort of health issue or just don't have the mental capacity to compete. Now in Bizarro Obama and liberal world the 40 that did the right thing are to be publicly chastised and told that they need to start doing their fair share. They need to suck it up and help those that decided they were just going to care about social status or whatever dumba$$es care about. They don't deserve credit for working hard. They deserve to fund those that don't. now ain't that a really f**ked up way to think? |
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Edited by
willing2
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In a community, it's give and take. For the community to prosper, one must be willing to give back more than they take. For the Tax Payer, it would be nice if they were given a picture and a brief history of who they are supporting. I'll be the lucky one to get the fat gal with 12 kids. Her and all them sporting gold teeth, rings and necklaces, standing next to their brand new Porsche Cayenne Hybrid texting each other from their Android phones, in front of the welfare office. yeah, if they could personally TRACK by citizen all the money specifically to its location,, that would be nice of course, it would cost much more to implement than it would save and then, you could get the single parent of 2.5 (the average for those on welfare) kids who has lost her job and needs some sustenance for her family until she can find employment again,,, |
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msharmony
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BS Harmony!!!!!!!!....Putting back into the community, don't make me laugh...It's about putting WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY into someone else's hand....TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE HAVES TO THE HAVE NOTs....Paint it any color you choose, it will not change the shape.... BS,, and Im tired of the discussion at this point believe that the budget is just a system of monetary transfer that is linear,, just from one hand to another,,, as opposed to a cycle that can go through several cycles and exchanges matters not to me anymore,,,, kudos,,, This what it boils down to.. You have 100 people. Say 40 have done the right things throughout their entire lives. Applied themselves in high school got into college or just entered the workforce and worked towards improving their skill sets. Either way they worked hard. 50 either f**ked off during high school or put their social life ahead of all else. They didn't give a f**k because they just didn't feel like it. 10 have either some sort of health issue or just don't have the mental capacity to compete. Now in Bizarro Obama and liberal world the 40 that did the right thing are to be publicly chastised and told that they need to start doing their fair share. They need to suck it up and help those that decided they were just going to care about social status or whatever dumba$$es care about. They don't deserve credit for working hard. They deserve to fund those that don't. now ain't that a really f**ked up way to think? yes, its f* up to actually believe those that do the 'right thing' or 'work hard' are limited to those who have money,,,or jobs,,, |
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This what it boils down to..
You have 100 people. Say 40 have done the right things throughout their entire lives. Applied themselves in high school got into college or just entered the workforce and worked towards improving their skill sets. Either way they worked hard. 50 either f**ked off during high school or put their social life ahead of all else. They didn't give a f**k because they just didn't feel like it. 10 have either some sort of health issue or just don't have the mental capacity to compete. Now in Bizarro Obama and liberal world the 40 that did the right thing are to be publicly chastised and told that they need to start doing their fair share. They need to suck it up and help those that decided they were just going to care about social status or whatever dumba$$es care about. They don't deserve credit for working hard. They deserve to fund those that don't. now ain't that a really f**ked up way to think? I doubt such stereotyping is completely accurate, let alone helpful.
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BS Harmony!!!!!!!!....Putting back into the community, don't make me laugh...It's about putting WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY into someone else's hand....TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE HAVES TO THE HAVE NOTs....Paint it any color you choose, it will not change the shape.... BS,, and Im tired of the discussion at this point believe that the budget is just a system of monetary transfer that is linear,, just from one hand to another,,, as opposed to a cycle that can go through several cycles and exchanges matters not to me anymore,,,, kudos,,, This what it boils down to.. You have 100 people. Say 40 have done the right things throughout their entire lives. Applied themselves in high school got into college or just entered the workforce and worked towards improving their skill sets. Either way they worked hard. 50 either f**ked off during high school or put their social life ahead of all else. They didn't give a f**k because they just didn't feel like it. 10 have either some sort of health issue or just don't have the mental capacity to compete. Now in Bizarro Obama and liberal world the 40 that did the right thing are to be publicly chastised and told that they need to start doing their fair share. They need to suck it up and help those that decided they were just going to care about social status or whatever dumba$$es care about. They don't deserve credit for working hard. They deserve to fund those that don't. now ain't that a really f**ked up way to think? yes, its f* up to actually believe those that do the 'right thing' or 'work hard' are limited to those who have money,,,or jobs,,, It's one thing to not have a job and be looking for one than those who choose to sit and just leech off the Tax Payer, no? Behavior Leeches are able to display a variety of behaviors that allow them to explore their environments and feed on their hosts. Exploratory behavior includes head movements and body waving. |
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BS Harmony!!!!!!!!....Putting back into the community, don't make me laugh...It's about putting WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY into someone else's hand....TRANSFER OF MONEY FROM THE HAVES TO THE HAVE NOTs....Paint it any color you choose, it will not change the shape.... BS,, and Im tired of the discussion at this point believe that the budget is just a system of monetary transfer that is linear,, just from one hand to another,,, as opposed to a cycle that can go through several cycles and exchanges matters not to me anymore,,,, kudos,,, This what it boils down to.. You have 100 people. Say 40 have done the right things throughout their entire lives. Applied themselves in high school got into college or just entered the workforce and worked towards improving their skill sets. Either way they worked hard. 50 either f**ked off during high school or put their social life ahead of all else. They didn't give a f**k because they just didn't feel like it. 10 have either some sort of health issue or just don't have the mental capacity to compete. Now in Bizarro Obama and liberal world the 40 that did the right thing are to be publicly chastised and told that they need to start doing their fair share. They need to suck it up and help those that decided they were just going to care about social status or whatever dumba$$es care about. They don't deserve credit for working hard. They deserve to fund those that don't. now ain't that a really f**ked up way to think? yes, its f* up to actually believe those that do the 'right thing' or 'work hard' are limited to those who have money,,,or jobs,,, It's one thing to not have a job and be looking for one than those who choose to sit and just leech off the Tax Payer, no? Behavior Leeches are able to display a variety of behaviors that allow them to explore their environments and feed on their hosts. Exploratory behavior includes head movements and body waving. agreed, 'leeches' need to be dealt with needy and struggling to do better ,just need some help,,, |
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It is one thing to be opposed to welfare for those who can help themselves (the conservative perspective), but it is another thing to be opposed to welfare for those who cannot help themselves (the extreme libertarian perspective). The former is reasonable; the latter is heartless.
My sentiments exactly. Cut those who choose to not contribute, the ones who can but won't. |
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My sentiments are.... Get govt out of our lives and back to doing what they are supposed to do! Their job is to protect our borders, protect our rights, defend the constitution and nothing more! Our forefathers fought to get out from under the rule and taxation of a King, fought the "commercial" banking cartels, warned us of the possible corruption of both, the injury they caused to life, liberty and happiness..... so what do we do.... Let the bankers sell us our Kings thru entitlements they make it impossible to live without.... Well, how's that working for ya? |
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My sentiments are.... Get govt out of our lives and back to doing what they are supposed to do! Their job is to protect our borders, protect our rights, defend the constitution and nothing more! Our forefathers fought to get out from under the rule and taxation of a King, fought the "commercial" banking cartels, warned us of the possible corruption of both, the injury they caused to life, liberty and happiness..... so what do we do.... Let the bankers sell us our Kings thru entitlements they make it impossible to live without.... Well, how's that working for ya? The Corporations, Lobbying, Outsourcing, and Foreign Policy is killing this nation. |
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cause 'free market' corporate america would be so much less corrupt and so much more interested in american prosperity,,,
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