no difference, I have received the printout for years telling me exactly what I will have, so I know I am already 'entitled' to it based upon how much Ive worked,,,


the printout says how much I will ge tand for how long if I stop working NOW,,,


I Will have worked the majority of my life before I get to retire, I will have paid taxes and helped others earn the wealth they acquire to pay taxes and so , yes, that my american children can have some thing to 'fall back' on during hard times as a reasult of my contribution to this country (Fiscal or physical) seems the just and patriotic thing,,,

but thats just my opinion

what do I know, since I dont have a fit about a flag or anything,,,,


(thats not directed at you, just the hypocrites with their priorities seemingly screwed up,,, in my opinion)

Not possible, the yearly statement shows an estimated projected amount based on future earnings remaining the same as the current year earnings or the last year worked earnings and based on the assumption you continue working and contributing "the same" amount every year until you reach retirement age...You will not know the exact amount you have "earned" until you file for you "benefit"....Call your social security office, you are totally wrong about how you think your benefit amount is figured....

And Harmony, I didn't think for one moment that comment was directed at me...

ok. Im not counting on social security, I plan to pay into a retirement fund, with thirty more years in front of me, IM sure I Can save a good penny with intererest,,,,as well as creating some residual income to continue past retirement

Good for you!...I have not one signle doubt that you will accomplish your goals and then some...

thank you, its appreciated,,,

Stop the presses!

The above-quoted statement in the OP is an example of loaded language at best.

The OP is based on a premise that has not been proven to be true.

I would dare say that at least part of this thread is based on the premise that modern-day conditions in the USA are like those during the mid-twentieth century.

These days in the USA, people get to play on a level playing field. People have equal opportunity. The conditions that one is born into can be overcome in order to obtain economic success.

Some people make good decisions, take risks and work extra hours, resulting in those people achieving economic success. Other people make bad decisions, take the easy way and work no more than necessary, resulting in those people having a mediocre economic status.

Here is a piece of reality that escapes some people:
The existence of equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results.

A child of economically-successful adults can become a homeless drug addict. A child born into poverty can strive for excellence and become a student at Harvard.

Here is another piece of reality: Every person with a job is a working person, including a person who is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. So, the expression "working class" is a misnomer. Indeed, the use of the word "class" to describe people is in itself an error because there is no objective way to determine the boundaries between classes.

For example, people in the USA who might be described as being "lower class" because of their economic status are in the economic upper class compared to someone who lives in the below-pictured conditions:



As for any argument about entitlements, that argument is between people who share a libertarian ideology and people who share a socialist ideology. Plenty of conservatives support a safety net for people who can't take care of themselves; plenty of liberals favor people learning to take care of themselves.

I agree, the writer leans liberal, but that only means his language should be cautiously considered

but the information is still relevant and accurate


"These days in the USA, people get to play on a level playing field. People have equal opportunity. The conditions that one is born into can be overcome in order to obtain economic success"


this statment is STILL not true as an absolute today, it is using an exception to explain away a discrepancy


the piece refers to studies done 'these days',,

the level playing field still doesnt truly exist,,,anymore than true equal opportunity

there are just a longer list of 'legal' reasons to deny employment that are to the discretion of the employer,,,so they dont have to be applied equally to everyone,,,,,,


the list of what 'some' people do can go on and on

Some people make good decisions, take risks and work extra hours, resulting in those people achieving economic success. Other people make bad decisions, take the easy way and work no more than necessary, resulting in those people having a mediocre economic status.


some people also make good decisions, take risks, and work extra hours resulting IN SOMEONE ELSES Economic success

others make bad decisions, take the easy way out, and work no more than necessary , resulting in their 'network' covering their behinds with loans, write offs, and other types of 'excuses' and 'assistance' to do better,,,

Begging the question, eh?

One person who would disagree with the above-quoted statement is Charles Payne, the founder and CEO of Wall Street Strategies and a former Harlem resident.

in response to begging the question,,?

yes,,

he could disagree all he wants, wouldnt change the fact that it happens to 'some' people

What we "deserve" is recognition of our "unalienable" rights as a "natural person", born with them, and govt out of our lives all together doing only their job of protecting those rights, our borders, and our nation!

So should all of the americans affected by loss of a job, a home, and much else because of current economy, then need to worry about losing their kids?

So the state will pay someone else to take care of them or pay someone who will?... yet the actual parents should not receive anything that would allow them to care for their own kids?

So a single mother that has worked all her life in the US and is now receiving social security disability at 67, should not receive section 8 to supplement her housing?

Maybe we should just kill all the senior, foreigners, and poor, costing us tax money, and then utopia will fall into place?

Different seasons, hard times and many attributes can impact us negatively. Some things beyond our control, come upon the best of us.

thank you, the point I wsa TRYING to make before I allowed myself to feel frustrated,,,

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the only entitlements we have.

That's fine but the point is YOU are choosing not to work and you think you deserve other people's money. That is exactly what I am talking about. I would say this is even worse then those with no education. You could easily support yourself and your kids. You may have good intentions but you are basically ripping off the tax payers. I mean I am sure you are qualified for many positions that have been posted the past 3 years.

Do you realize that begging the question is a fallacy of logic? When you admit that you are begging the question, you admit that your logic is flawed.

Sure. though I did not even come close to how eloquent you would have worded it usually. But since I am currently not on unemployment, not illegal, not on welfare, and paying my taxes. I thought I had a right to express my thoughts, before my blood started to boil...lol

Who are these "some" people? If you are going to make an argument based on example, then how am I to know that the example is representative of the U.S. population?

actually, begging the question is when one assumes what one claims to be proving.


I only copied a statement already made and replaced a few words

I replied to begging the question with begging the question,,