Topic: what we 'deserve'
Chazster's photo
Sat 06/30/12 07:54 AM


how does higher taxes equal fewer jobs?

wouldnt the inverse be true if that is true? yet taxes are lower than in years and we still have fewer jobs,,,


Jobs are created by the people who have money to invest in the creation of jobs, such as the owners of small businesses. The more money that is taken in the form of taxation, the less money that is available for the creation of jobs.

As for taxes being lower now . . . the people who create the jobs are bearing the burden of paying the most in taxes.

At times, taxation becomes punishment for working. Several years ago, I had an hourly job in which I regularly worked 40 hours a week. So, my take-home pay was the same from week to week. One week, I worked only 39 hours. I was surprised to discover that my take-home pay for that one shorter week was more than my take-home pay for a 40-hour work week.

In short, whenever I worked 40 hours, all of my pay from the 40th hour was given to the government. So, it did not benefit me for me to work that 40th hour. Taxation was incentive for me to not work 40 hours a week.

What happened to me happens to others. Taxation can be high enough to discourage people from working the long hours needed to come out on top of the economic ladder, and it is the people on top of the ladder who create jobs through investments. Taxation reduces the amount of money available for such investments.



think about this statement

As for taxes being lower now . . . the people who create the jobs are bearing the burden of paying the most in taxes.


the people paying the 'most' taxes have obviously not done that well
with creating jobs,,considering the discrepancy in wealth is increasing much faster in their favor than anyone elses,,,,



Did you not learn about supply and demand? It doesn't matter if they still make a profit. If business is not high enough to expand employment then you don't do it.. Also they have to keep a profit to stay in business so just because they can afford a new worker doesn't mean they need one. Also demand is always changing especially in a bad economy and especially if you are taxed more you are less likely to hire more because of a possible suddenly drop off in demand.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 10:57 AM



how does higher taxes equal fewer jobs?

wouldnt the inverse be true if that is true? yet taxes are lower than in years and we still have fewer jobs,,,


Jobs are created by the people who have money to invest in the creation of jobs, such as the owners of small businesses. The more money that is taken in the form of taxation, the less money that is available for the creation of jobs.

As for taxes being lower now . . . the people who create the jobs are bearing the burden of paying the most in taxes.

At times, taxation becomes punishment for working. Several years ago, I had an hourly job in which I regularly worked 40 hours a week. So, my take-home pay was the same from week to week. One week, I worked only 39 hours. I was surprised to discover that my take-home pay for that one shorter week was more than my take-home pay for a 40-hour work week.

In short, whenever I worked 40 hours, all of my pay from the 40th hour was given to the government. So, it did not benefit me for me to work that 40th hour. Taxation was incentive for me to not work 40 hours a week.

What happened to me happens to others. Taxation can be high enough to discourage people from working the long hours needed to come out on top of the economic ladder, and it is the people on top of the ladder who create jobs through investments. Taxation reduces the amount of money available for such investments.



think about this statement

As for taxes being lower now . . . the people who create the jobs are bearing the burden of paying the most in taxes.


the people paying the 'most' taxes have obviously not done that well
with creating jobs,,considering the discrepancy in wealth is increasing much faster in their favor than anyone elses,,,,



Did you not learn about supply and demand? It doesn't matter if they still make a profit. If business is not high enough to expand employment then you don't do it.. Also they have to keep a profit to stay in business so just because they can afford a new worker doesn't mean they need one. Also demand is always changing especially in a bad economy and especially if you are taxed more you are less likely to hire more because of a possible suddenly drop off in demand.



so what is the reason when taxes continue to be lowered , for those deserving and hardworking employers and owners and ceos and business owners to not be 'creating' more jobs?


msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 11:00 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/30/12 11:01 AM


. . . that is already part of the welfare program, there is a subsidy for the daycare for children (daytime shift) while particpants 'work' or 'apply' to work

there is no need to take children away except to futther belittle, berate, or punish for having hit hard times,,,


:thumbsup:

There is not a program to educate the parents is there? Look at the statistics, children from low income families are more likely to do drugs, be in gangs,commit crimes, go to jail, and be low income themselves. How many low income families live in gang areas? Yes it's so horrible wanting to save them from that. So horrible to say parents we are going to train you in a skill so you can get a decent job and provide a good life for your family.



good luck with that,, taxpayers bitc about paying for the immediate needs like food and shelter for children,,,but they are gonna be happy about not ONLY paying someone else to provide it but to also provide EDUCATION to the parents?

and who is going to EDUCATE? whose child rearing philosophies will be taught?



no thank you, I will raise my children up the way I Wish to,,,not leave it to a morally declining culture,,,,

if we are going to fix the problems, we need to START With the factors that continue to maintain 'low income' status amongst hard working families,,,

I Think you are mixing groups assuming all low income families live in the same types of areas,,,,,neighborhoods and WEALTH play much larger a part in the factors you mentioned than mere 'income' does,,,,

willing2's photo
Sat 06/30/12 11:21 AM
Wonder if thw welfare generation will hit the streets robbin, raping and killing cuz they know nothing of survival and are so used to hand-outs.
Sad, they aren't taught the value of work ethics.
I say, cut the "entitlements" and sell tickets to see the mob frenzy.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 11:34 AM

Wonder if thw welfare generation will hit the streets robbin, raping and killing cuz they know nothing of survival and are so used to hand-outs.
Sad, they aren't taught the value of work ethics.
I say, cut the "entitlements" and sell tickets to see the mob frenzy.



who is the 'welfare generation'

have generations been reduced to 5 year periods?

InvictusV's photo
Sat 06/30/12 12:03 PM
Edited by InvictusV on Sat 06/30/12 12:04 PM



Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.”

To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance.



Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative.

So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each.

In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people








there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers.

we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.

this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries.

I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing.

you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals..

you don't see a serious problem with that?

yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty..

this mentality is what is fning this country up.

subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make.

keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do.




andrewzooms's photo
Sat 06/30/12 12:11 PM
In today's society a person must take a drug test, background check, to get an average job. Do the same for people receiving government assistance. I just cut the government handouts by half lol.

I mean for goodness sake I am going to have to take a lie detector test and a voice stress analyzer test to get a job.




msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 12:17 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/30/12 12:19 PM




Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.”

To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance.



Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative.

So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each.

In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people








there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers.

we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.

this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries.

I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing.

you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals..

you don't see a serious problem with that?

yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty..

this mentality is what is fning this country up.

subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make.

keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do.







yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,,

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,,


its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 12:18 PM

In today's society a person must take a drug test, background check, to get an average job. Do the same for people receiving government assistance. I just cut the government handouts by half lol.

I mean for goodness sake I am going to have to take a lie detector test and a voice stress analyzer test to get a job.







I dont really care at this point,,,yeah

make us take blood tests, drug tests, background checks, lie detectors,,,,

cause thats gonna save yall so much more money than you spend on those random frauds and addicts that show up abusing the system,,,,,



laugh laugh laugh

no photo
Sat 06/30/12 01:44 PM
Must be nice to Be old and or Disabled and complain aboUt welfare ppl.. rant Thanks you are an inspiration to what I Don't want to be..

InvictusV's photo
Sat 06/30/12 02:28 PM





Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.”

To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance.



Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative.

So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each.

In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people








there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers.

we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.

this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries.

I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing.

you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals..

you don't see a serious problem with that?

yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty..

this mentality is what is fning this country up.

subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make.

keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do.







yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,,

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,,


its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,,


who puts up the money to start a business?

who takes the risk?

I live in a beach town that sees small businesses come and go like the tides.

You are responsible for all kinds of taxes.

business license just to open the door.

taxes to the town, county and state.

you must forget that the town, county and state also collect money via sales taxes on the transactions inside the store.

yeah the people buying the products being sold pay the money to the business and it covers the sales tax, but if the business wasn't there then guess what.. no sales taxes..

let us say you had $1 million in sales. In Maryland the sales tax is 6%.. That is $60,000 in revenue YOU created for the state. Another $30,000 to the county and $15,000 to the town.

That is $105,000 YOU as the business owner created in tax revenue.

It is your shop. Your money on the line. Your choice of business type that brought in enough customers to provide $105,000 in taxes for the communal good.

So what you are saying is that these people don't contribute anything to society and should be taxed at a higher rate simply because they had the balls to go there and try..

its simply amazing..




willing2's photo
Sat 06/30/12 04:21 PM
Two things stuck in my brain that makes sense now.
Hussein said a couple years ago to learn spanish.
A little while later, I remember him stating he would start paying incintives to states that increased their case loads.
I sincerely believe Hussein and gov want to maintain the majority in the welfare mentality state.
Granted. There are those who truly need supervised help.
However, I believe, the majority just want the free ride on the tax payer tit.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 05:36 PM






Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.”

To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance.



Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative.

So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each.

In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people








there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers.

we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.

this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries.

I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing.

you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals..

you don't see a serious problem with that?

yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty..

this mentality is what is fning this country up.

subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make.

keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do.







yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,,

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,,


its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,,


who puts up the money to start a business?

who takes the risk?

I live in a beach town that sees small businesses come and go like the tides.

You are responsible for all kinds of taxes.

business license just to open the door.

taxes to the town, county and state.

you must forget that the town, county and state also collect money via sales taxes on the transactions inside the store.

yeah the people buying the products being sold pay the money to the business and it covers the sales tax, but if the business wasn't there then guess what.. no sales taxes..

let us say you had $1 million in sales. In Maryland the sales tax is 6%.. That is $60,000 in revenue YOU created for the state. Another $30,000 to the county and $15,000 to the town.

That is $105,000 YOU as the business owner created in tax revenue.

It is your shop. Your money on the line. Your choice of business type that brought in enough customers to provide $105,000 in taxes for the communal good.

So what you are saying is that these people don't contribute anything to society and should be taxed at a higher rate simply because they had the balls to go there and try..

its simply amazing..







NO. what I am saying is that there are more ways to CONTRIBUTE than just the taxes we pay,,,the part we play in the economy also CONTRIBUTES, many things we do CONTRIBUTE

and MOST People will pay taxes for the majority of their lives and provide wealth to others to more than cover any Specific individual 'entitlements' they may later receive

willing2's photo
Sun 07/01/12 05:39 PM
Contribute, (work), to consume.
Don't contribute, (work) don't consume.

That doesn't apply to the truly needy or disabled persons.

Once upon a time there was a little red hen. She lived with a pig, a duck and a cat.

They all lived in a pretty little house which the little red hen liked to keep clean and tidy. The little red hen worked hard at her jobs all day. The others never helped. Although they said they meant to, they were all far too lazy. The pig liked to grunt in the mud outside, the duck used to swim in the pond all day, and the cat enjoyed lying in the sun, purring.

One day the little red hen was working in the garden when she found a grain of corn.

"Who will plant this grain of corn?" she asked.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen went to look for a nice bit of earth, scratched it with her feet and planted the grain of corn.

During the summer the grain of corn grew. First it grew into a tall green stalk, then it ripened in the sun until it had turned a lovely golden colour. The little red hen saw that the corn was ready for cutting.

"Who will help me cut the corn?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well then, I will cut it myself," said the little red hen. Carefully she cut the stalk and took out all the grains of corn from the husks.

"Who will take the corn to the mill, so that it can be ground into flour?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen took the corn to the mill herself, and asked the miller if he would be so kind as to grind it into flour.

In time the miller sent a little bag of flour down to the house where the little red hen lived with the pig and the duck and the cat.

"Who will help me to make the flour into bread?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well," said the little red hen. "I shall make the bread myself." She went into her neat little kitchen. She mixed the flour into dough. She kneaded the dough and put it into the oven to bake.

Soon there was a lovely smell of hot fresh bread. It filled all the corners of the house and wafted out into the garden. The pig came into the kitchen from his muddy patch in the garden, the duck came in from the pond and the cat left his place in the sun. When the little red hen opened the oven door the dough had risen up and had turned into the nicest, most delicious looking loaf of bread any of them had seen.

"Who is going to eat this bread?" asked the little red hen.

"I will," grunted the pig.

"I will," quacked the duck.

"I will," purred the cat.

"Oh no, you won't," said the little red hen. "I planted the seed, I cut the corn, I took it to the mill to be made into flour, and I made the bread, all by myself. I shall now eat the loaf all by myself."

The pig, the duck and the cat all stood and watched as the little red hen ate the loaf all by herself. It was delicious and she enjoyed it, right to the very last crumb.

no photo
Sun 07/01/12 05:48 PM

Contribute, (work), to consume.
Don't contribute, (work) don't consume.

That doesn't apply to the truly needy or disabled persons.

Once upon a time there was a little red hen. She lived with a pig, a duck and a cat.

They all lived in a pretty little house which the little red hen liked to keep clean and tidy. The little red hen worked hard at her jobs all day. The others never helped. Although they said they meant to, they were all far too lazy. The pig liked to grunt in the mud outside, the duck used to swim in the pond all day, and the cat enjoyed lying in the sun, purring.

One day the little red hen was working in the garden when she found a grain of corn.

"Who will plant this grain of corn?" she asked.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen went to look for a nice bit of earth, scratched it with her feet and planted the grain of corn.

During the summer the grain of corn grew. First it grew into a tall green stalk, then it ripened in the sun until it had turned a lovely golden colour. The little red hen saw that the corn was ready for cutting.

"Who will help me cut the corn?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well then, I will cut it myself," said the little red hen. Carefully she cut the stalk and took out all the grains of corn from the husks.

"Who will take the corn to the mill, so that it can be ground into flour?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen took the corn to the mill herself, and asked the miller if he would be so kind as to grind it into flour.

In time the miller sent a little bag of flour down to the house where the little red hen lived with the pig and the duck and the cat.

"Who will help me to make the flour into bread?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well," said the little red hen. "I shall make the bread myself." She went into her neat little kitchen. She mixed the flour into dough. She kneaded the dough and put it into the oven to bake.

Soon there was a lovely smell of hot fresh bread. It filled all the corners of the house and wafted out into the garden. The pig came into the kitchen from his muddy patch in the garden, the duck came in from the pond and the cat left his place in the sun. When the little red hen opened the oven door the dough had risen up and had turned into the nicest, most delicious looking loaf of bread any of them had seen.

"Who is going to eat this bread?" asked the little red hen.

"I will," grunted the pig.

"I will," quacked the duck.

"I will," purred the cat.

"Oh no, you won't," said the little red hen. "I planted the seed, I cut the corn, I took it to the mill to be made into flour, and I made the bread, all by myself. I shall now eat the loaf all by myself."

The pig, the duck and the cat all stood and watched as the little red hen ate the loaf all by herself. It was delicious and she enjoyed it, right to the very last crumb.



Badabing, badaboom.............and there you have it folks!....:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Give the man a posy....flowerforyou

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 07/01/12 07:31 PM
so what is the reason when taxes continue to be lowered , for those deserving and hardworking employers and owners and ceos and business owners to not be 'creating' more jobs?


Right now (July 2012) there is uncertainty about what the U.S. government will be doing as of January 2013. If the federal government adds more business taxes and regulations, then businesses will end up having to spend more money on taxes and regulations. So, companies have been saving money in preparation for such a possibility.

What I describe in this post is what is being talked about on the financial TV programs.

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/01/12 10:23 PM

Contribute, (work), to consume.
Don't contribute, (work) don't consume.

That doesn't apply to the truly needy or disabled persons.

Once upon a time there was a little red hen. She lived with a pig, a duck and a cat.

They all lived in a pretty little house which the little red hen liked to keep clean and tidy. The little red hen worked hard at her jobs all day. The others never helped. Although they said they meant to, they were all far too lazy. The pig liked to grunt in the mud outside, the duck used to swim in the pond all day, and the cat enjoyed lying in the sun, purring.

One day the little red hen was working in the garden when she found a grain of corn.

"Who will plant this grain of corn?" she asked.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen went to look for a nice bit of earth, scratched it with her feet and planted the grain of corn.

During the summer the grain of corn grew. First it grew into a tall green stalk, then it ripened in the sun until it had turned a lovely golden colour. The little red hen saw that the corn was ready for cutting.

"Who will help me cut the corn?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well then, I will cut it myself," said the little red hen. Carefully she cut the stalk and took out all the grains of corn from the husks.

"Who will take the corn to the mill, so that it can be ground into flour?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen took the corn to the mill herself, and asked the miller if he would be so kind as to grind it into flour.

In time the miller sent a little bag of flour down to the house where the little red hen lived with the pig and the duck and the cat.

"Who will help me to make the flour into bread?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well," said the little red hen. "I shall make the bread myself." She went into her neat little kitchen. She mixed the flour into dough. She kneaded the dough and put it into the oven to bake.

Soon there was a lovely smell of hot fresh bread. It filled all the corners of the house and wafted out into the garden. The pig came into the kitchen from his muddy patch in the garden, the duck came in from the pond and the cat left his place in the sun. When the little red hen opened the oven door the dough had risen up and had turned into the nicest, most delicious looking loaf of bread any of them had seen.

"Who is going to eat this bread?" asked the little red hen.

"I will," grunted the pig.

"I will," quacked the duck.

"I will," purred the cat.

"Oh no, you won't," said the little red hen. "I planted the seed, I cut the corn, I took it to the mill to be made into flour, and I made the bread, all by myself. I shall now eat the loaf all by myself."

The pig, the duck and the cat all stood and watched as the little red hen ate the loaf all by herself. It was delicious and she enjoyed it, right to the very last crumb.




what does this childrens story have to do with anything?

again, its an ASSUMPTION That people who are struggling are therefore doing 'nothing' and not working,,,,

willing2's photo
Mon 07/02/12 07:13 AM
Edited by willing2 on Mon 07/02/12 08:09 AM


Contribute, (work), to consume.
Don't contribute, (work) don't consume.

That doesn't apply to the truly needy or disabled persons.

Once upon a time there was a little red hen. She lived with a pig, a duck and a cat.

They all lived in a pretty little house which the little red hen liked to keep clean and tidy. The little red hen worked hard at her jobs all day. The others never helped. Although they said they meant to, they were all far too lazy. The pig liked to grunt in the mud outside, the duck used to swim in the pond all day, and the cat enjoyed lying in the sun, purring.

One day the little red hen was working in the garden when she found a grain of corn.

"Who will plant this grain of corn?" she asked.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen went to look for a nice bit of earth, scratched it with her feet and planted the grain of corn.

During the summer the grain of corn grew. First it grew into a tall green stalk, then it ripened in the sun until it had turned a lovely golden colour. The little red hen saw that the corn was ready for cutting.

"Who will help me cut the corn?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well then, I will cut it myself," said the little red hen. Carefully she cut the stalk and took out all the grains of corn from the husks.

"Who will take the corn to the mill, so that it can be ground into flour?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen took the corn to the mill herself, and asked the miller if he would be so kind as to grind it into flour.

In time the miller sent a little bag of flour down to the house where the little red hen lived with the pig and the duck and the cat.

"Who will help me to make the flour into bread?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well," said the little red hen. "I shall make the bread myself." She went into her neat little kitchen. She mixed the flour into dough. She kneaded the dough and put it into the oven to bake.

Soon there was a lovely smell of hot fresh bread. It filled all the corners of the house and wafted out into the garden. The pig came into the kitchen from his muddy patch in the garden, the duck came in from the pond and the cat left his place in the sun. When the little red hen opened the oven door the dough had risen up and had turned into the nicest, most delicious looking loaf of bread any of them had seen.

"Who is going to eat this bread?" asked the little red hen.

"I will," grunted the pig.

"I will," quacked the duck.

"I will," purred the cat.

"Oh no, you won't," said the little red hen. "I planted the seed, I cut the corn, I took it to the mill to be made into flour, and I made the bread, all by myself. I shall now eat the loaf all by myself."

The pig, the duck and the cat all stood and watched as the little red hen ate the loaf all by herself. It was delicious and she enjoyed it, right to the very last crumb.




what does this childrens story have to do with anything?

again, its an ASSUMPTION That people who are struggling are therefore doing 'nothing' and not working,,,,

Problem with comprehension?
The story says, don't contribute, (work), don't eat. Simple story, really.
There is no assumption.
There are those who are truly unable, disabled and cannot work.
Those who are struggling means they are doing something to get out of the welfare cycle.
Then, there are those, able-bodied who accept the welfare mentality and sit home collecting.

msharmony's photo
Mon 07/02/12 07:56 AM



Contribute, (work), to consume.
Don't contribute, (work) don't consume.

That doesn't apply to the truly needy or disabled persons.

Once upon a time there was a little red hen. She lived with a pig, a duck and a cat.

They all lived in a pretty little house which the little red hen liked to keep clean and tidy. The little red hen worked hard at her jobs all day. The others never helped. Although they said they meant to, they were all far too lazy. The pig liked to grunt in the mud outside, the duck used to swim in the pond all day, and the cat enjoyed lying in the sun, purring.

One day the little red hen was working in the garden when she found a grain of corn.

"Who will plant this grain of corn?" she asked.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen went to look for a nice bit of earth, scratched it with her feet and planted the grain of corn.

During the summer the grain of corn grew. First it grew into a tall green stalk, then it ripened in the sun until it had turned a lovely golden colour. The little red hen saw that the corn was ready for cutting.

"Who will help me cut the corn?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well then, I will cut it myself," said the little red hen. Carefully she cut the stalk and took out all the grains of corn from the husks.

"Who will take the corn to the mill, so that it can be ground into flour?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

So the little red hen took the corn to the mill herself, and asked the miller if he would be so kind as to grind it into flour.

In time the miller sent a little bag of flour down to the house where the little red hen lived with the pig and the duck and the cat.

"Who will help me to make the flour into bread?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," grunted the pig from his muddy patch in the garden.

"Not I," quacked the duck from her pond.

"Not I," purred the cat from his place in the sun.

"Very well," said the little red hen. "I shall make the bread myself." She went into her neat little kitchen. She mixed the flour into dough. She kneaded the dough and put it into the oven to bake.

Soon there was a lovely smell of hot fresh bread. It filled all the corners of the house and wafted out into the garden. The pig came into the kitchen from his muddy patch in the garden, the duck came in from the pond and the cat left his place in the sun. When the little red hen opened the oven door the dough had risen up and had turned into the nicest, most delicious looking loaf of bread any of them had seen.

"Who is going to eat this bread?" asked the little red hen.

"I will," grunted the pig.

"I will," quacked the duck.

"I will," purred the cat.

"Oh no, you won't," said the little red hen. "I planted the seed, I cut the corn, I took it to the mill to be made into flour, and I made the bread, all by myself. I shall now eat the loaf all by myself."

The pig, the duck and the cat all stood and watched as the little red hen ate the loaf all by herself. It was delicious and she enjoyed it, right to the very last crumb.




what does this childrens story have to do with anything?

again, its an ASSUMPTION That people who are struggling are therefore doing 'nothing' and not working,,,,

Problem with comprehension?
The story says, don't contribute, (work), don't eat. Simple story, really.
There is no assumption.
There are those who are truly unable, disabled and cannot work.
Those who are struggling means they are doing something to get out of the welfare cycle.
Then, there are those, sble-bodied who accept the welfare mentality and sit home collecting.



there probably are,

just like there is any other 'group' applicable for assistance which has its frauds,,,



Chazster's photo
Mon 07/02/12 09:33 AM







Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.”

To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance.



Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative.

So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each.

In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people








there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers.

we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.

this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries.

I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing.

you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals..

you don't see a serious problem with that?

yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty..

this mentality is what is fning this country up.

subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make.

keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do.







yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,,

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,,


its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,,


who puts up the money to start a business?

who takes the risk?

I live in a beach town that sees small businesses come and go like the tides.

You are responsible for all kinds of taxes.

business license just to open the door.

taxes to the town, county and state.

you must forget that the town, county and state also collect money via sales taxes on the transactions inside the store.

yeah the people buying the products being sold pay the money to the business and it covers the sales tax, but if the business wasn't there then guess what.. no sales taxes..

let us say you had $1 million in sales. In Maryland the sales tax is 6%.. That is $60,000 in revenue YOU created for the state. Another $30,000 to the county and $15,000 to the town.

That is $105,000 YOU as the business owner created in tax revenue.

It is your shop. Your money on the line. Your choice of business type that brought in enough customers to provide $105,000 in taxes for the communal good.

So what you are saying is that these people don't contribute anything to society and should be taxed at a higher rate simply because they had the balls to go there and try..

its simply amazing..







NO. what I am saying is that there are more ways to CONTRIBUTE than just the taxes we pay,,,the part we play in the economy also CONTRIBUTES, many things we do CONTRIBUTE

and MOST People will pay taxes for the majority of their lives and provide wealth to others to more than cover any Specific individual 'entitlements' they may later receive


So what are people not working on welfare contributing?