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Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.” To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance. Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative. So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each. In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers. we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries. I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing. you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals.. you don't see a serious problem with that? yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty.. this mentality is what is fning this country up. subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make. keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do. yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,, its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,, who puts up the money to start a business? who takes the risk? I live in a beach town that sees small businesses come and go like the tides. You are responsible for all kinds of taxes. business license just to open the door. taxes to the town, county and state. you must forget that the town, county and state also collect money via sales taxes on the transactions inside the store. yeah the people buying the products being sold pay the money to the business and it covers the sales tax, but if the business wasn't there then guess what.. no sales taxes.. let us say you had $1 million in sales. In Maryland the sales tax is 6%.. That is $60,000 in revenue YOU created for the state. Another $30,000 to the county and $15,000 to the town. That is $105,000 YOU as the business owner created in tax revenue. It is your shop. Your money on the line. Your choice of business type that brought in enough customers to provide $105,000 in taxes for the communal good. So what you are saying is that these people don't contribute anything to society and should be taxed at a higher rate simply because they had the balls to go there and try.. its simply amazing.. NO. what I am saying is that there are more ways to CONTRIBUTE than just the taxes we pay,,,the part we play in the economy also CONTRIBUTES, many things we do CONTRIBUTE and MOST People will pay taxes for the majority of their lives and provide wealth to others to more than cover any Specific individual 'entitlements' they may later receive So what are people not working on welfare contributing? ahhh,, now you are getting it people on welfare DO work many of them still WORK but need help,,,,, |
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Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.” To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance. Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative. So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each. In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers. we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries. I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing. you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals.. you don't see a serious problem with that? yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty.. this mentality is what is fning this country up. subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make. keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do. yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,, its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,, who puts up the money to start a business? who takes the risk? I live in a beach town that sees small businesses come and go like the tides. You are responsible for all kinds of taxes. business license just to open the door. taxes to the town, county and state. you must forget that the town, county and state also collect money via sales taxes on the transactions inside the store. yeah the people buying the products being sold pay the money to the business and it covers the sales tax, but if the business wasn't there then guess what.. no sales taxes.. let us say you had $1 million in sales. In Maryland the sales tax is 6%.. That is $60,000 in revenue YOU created for the state. Another $30,000 to the county and $15,000 to the town. That is $105,000 YOU as the business owner created in tax revenue. It is your shop. Your money on the line. Your choice of business type that brought in enough customers to provide $105,000 in taxes for the communal good. So what you are saying is that these people don't contribute anything to society and should be taxed at a higher rate simply because they had the balls to go there and try.. its simply amazing.. NO. what I am saying is that there are more ways to CONTRIBUTE than just the taxes we pay,,,the part we play in the economy also CONTRIBUTES, many things we do CONTRIBUTE and MOST People will pay taxes for the majority of their lives and provide wealth to others to more than cover any Specific individual 'entitlements' they may later receive So what are people not working on welfare contributing? ahhh,, now you are getting it people on welfare DO work many of them still WORK but need help,,,,, You ignored my question. If I asked what are the people in New York eating pizza doing I am not saying everyone in New York is eatingpizza. I am only asking about the people I mentioned. There are people on welfare that don't work. I am asking how they contribute. |
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Come and take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/welfare_state.html Why does anyone think they are entitled to what others have,or entitled to what they haven't earned!? |
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I was at the grocery store a while back. As I got in line to pay for my meager amount of food, I noticed a lady in front of me and her cart was full. She was talking on her cellphone, laughing and such. As she was paying I noticed that whipped out the " old Lonestar EBT card". I was surprised because she was well dressed and didn't look needy. She paid, with the card and went on out. I didn't think much more until I noticed her outside loading her bags of groceries into a real nice late model Volvo car. She was still laughing and talking on her cell phone. I loaded my meager groceries into my beat up vehicle and left.
Makes one wonder. |
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Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.” To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance. Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative. So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each. In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers. we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries. I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing. you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals.. you don't see a serious problem with that? yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty.. this mentality is what is fning this country up. subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make. keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do. yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,, its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,, who puts up the money to start a business? who takes the risk? I live in a beach town that sees small businesses come and go like the tides. You are responsible for all kinds of taxes. business license just to open the door. taxes to the town, county and state. you must forget that the town, county and state also collect money via sales taxes on the transactions inside the store. yeah the people buying the products being sold pay the money to the business and it covers the sales tax, but if the business wasn't there then guess what.. no sales taxes.. let us say you had $1 million in sales. In Maryland the sales tax is 6%.. That is $60,000 in revenue YOU created for the state. Another $30,000 to the county and $15,000 to the town. That is $105,000 YOU as the business owner created in tax revenue. It is your shop. Your money on the line. Your choice of business type that brought in enough customers to provide $105,000 in taxes for the communal good. So what you are saying is that these people don't contribute anything to society and should be taxed at a higher rate simply because they had the balls to go there and try.. its simply amazing.. NO. what I am saying is that there are more ways to CONTRIBUTE than just the taxes we pay,,,the part we play in the economy also CONTRIBUTES, many things we do CONTRIBUTE and MOST People will pay taxes for the majority of their lives and provide wealth to others to more than cover any Specific individual 'entitlements' they may later receive So what are people not working on welfare contributing? ahhh,, now you are getting it people on welfare DO work many of them still WORK but need help,,,,, You ignored my question. If I asked what are the people in New York eating pizza doing I am not saying everyone in New York is eatingpizza. I am only asking about the people I mentioned. There are people on welfare that don't work. I am asking how they contribute. They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... |
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I was at the grocery store a while back. As I got in line to pay for my meager amount of food, I noticed a lady in front of me and her cart was full. She was talking on her cellphone, laughing and such. As she was paying I noticed that whipped out the " old Lonestar EBT card". I was surprised because she was well dressed and didn't look needy. She paid, with the card and went on out. I didn't think much more until I noticed her outside loading her bags of groceries into a real nice late model Volvo car. She was still laughing and talking on her cell phone. I loaded my meager groceries into my beat up vehicle and left. Makes one wonder. this is the issue, people assume so much when they see others on welfare people in all walks of life can hit hard times and need help,, perhaps she got the car before the hard times hit, or perhaps she was driving someone elses car in either case,,, her family can eat, Im not griping over that |
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Everywhere you turn, conservatives are bemoaning the so-called “mentality of entitlement.” To hear such folks tell it, the problem with America is that people think they’re owed something. Of course, income support programs, nutritional assistance, or housing subsidies have long been pilloried by the right for this reason — because they ostensibly encourage people to expect someone else (in this case, the government, via the American taxpayer) to support them. But now, the criticisms that were once reserved for programs aimed at helping the poor are being applied even to programs upon which much of the middle class has come to rely, like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance. Let’s first consider class status, apart from race for a second. When someone with money insists that they “earned everything they have,” and therefore, they resent their tax burden, or various government regulations that might affect their business in some way, what is that, if not evidence of an “entitlement mentality?” After all, they didn’t really earn what they have all on their own. Our professional status and income owe much to circumstances beyond our own efforts and initiative. So, for instance, those with money have benefitted directly from substantial public investment in schools (either for themselves or their employees), roads, technology and communication infrastructures that have been publicly subsidized, as well as fiscal and monetary policy aimed at making capital available to businesses. We make choices as a society, through instruments like the Federal Reserve, to either tighten or loosen the reins of credit — either of which decision can have a huge impact on whether or not you can hire new people, build a new plant, or expand your business — as well as what types of things to subsidize via the tax code (investment, home ownership, hiring, advertising, etc.), all of which can be made more or less costly due to the existence and size of various tax credits for each. In other words, the wealth of individuals is only partly about their own hard work; more so, it is the result of the cumulative decisions made by lots of people there wouldn't need to be close to trillion dollars a year in entitlement spending if the government did their jobs and encouraged an environment of free market capitalism in which the market picked the winners and losers. we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. this government then allows companies like GE pay no income taxes at all because they claim they make all of their money in foreign countries. I would bet 15% of something is better than 35% percent of nothing. you tell me why a company that made $10 billion in profit within the US pays NO income taxes and your hero Obama is so concerned with taxing the f**k out of individuals.. you don't see a serious problem with that? yet you, like your hero, think individuals that make more than you, or whatever voting block your hero is pandering to, should be the ones funding all these programs out of their own pockets because its their communal duty.. this mentality is what is fning this country up. subsidize and let the mega corporations hide their money overseas so they pay no taxes and then play the blame individuals game that don't earn a drop of pi$$ in the bucket compared to what that these corporations make. keep drinking the kool aid because one day when all the rich folk money is gone they will be coming for yours and don't ***** and complain when they do. yes, rich folks are going to regulate away the rich folks money,,, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN whats f'ed up is the idea that 'rich' peoples money was earned in a vaccuum and that they shouldnt have to contribute anything to the economy and the very people who CONTINUE to KEEP Them in their financial status in the first place through their work and purchases,, its like an unlimited interest rate on an investment, those without will continue to work harder and harder, for less and less, while those on the top will continue to earn profit off of the formers backs and then turn theirs when it comes to even the basic NEEDS of those very citizens who keep them in business and profiting,,, who puts up the money to start a business? who takes the risk? I live in a beach town that sees small businesses come and go like the tides. You are responsible for all kinds of taxes. business license just to open the door. taxes to the town, county and state. you must forget that the town, county and state also collect money via sales taxes on the transactions inside the store. yeah the people buying the products being sold pay the money to the business and it covers the sales tax, but if the business wasn't there then guess what.. no sales taxes.. let us say you had $1 million in sales. In Maryland the sales tax is 6%.. That is $60,000 in revenue YOU created for the state. Another $30,000 to the county and $15,000 to the town. That is $105,000 YOU as the business owner created in tax revenue. It is your shop. Your money on the line. Your choice of business type that brought in enough customers to provide $105,000 in taxes for the communal good. So what you are saying is that these people don't contribute anything to society and should be taxed at a higher rate simply because they had the balls to go there and try.. its simply amazing.. NO. what I am saying is that there are more ways to CONTRIBUTE than just the taxes we pay,,,the part we play in the economy also CONTRIBUTES, many things we do CONTRIBUTE and MOST People will pay taxes for the majority of their lives and provide wealth to others to more than cover any Specific individual 'entitlements' they may later receive So what are people not working on welfare contributing? ahhh,, now you are getting it people on welfare DO work many of them still WORK but need help,,,,, You ignored my question. If I asked what are the people in New York eating pizza doing I am not saying everyone in New York is eatingpizza. I am only asking about the people I mentioned. There are people on welfare that don't work. I am asking how they contribute. They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... because we dont live in a third world country,, everyone CONTRIBUTES in some way and can expect certain BASICS for their efforts,,, thats the political policy,, to enjoy all the FREEDOMS of being in America,, we have to contribute to the economy and budget of the US which sustains that environment,,, welfare recipients do contribute, and only those who havent been on welfare can continue to ASSUME they dont on my assistance, the REQUIREMENT was to work 100 hours per month,, (for 300 dollars) for someone that would otherwise be PAYING another employer a wage and benefits,, that SAVES That employer plenty of money, and therefore, is a pretty valid economic contribution... someone working part time, shouldnt be able to feed and shelter their family like any other part time worker, just because some employers are too broke (or greedy) to hire workers? I think not,,,, my efforts are no less than anyone else who had a 'paid' position, and I dont feel I should have any less acces to basics in return,,, |
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I was at the grocery store a while back. As I got in line to pay for my meager amount of food, I noticed a lady in front of me and her cart was full. She was talking on her cellphone, laughing and such. As she was paying I noticed that whipped out the " old Lonestar EBT card". I was surprised because she was well dressed and didn't look needy. She paid, with the card and went on out. I didn't think much more until I noticed her outside loading her bags of groceries into a real nice late model Volvo car. She was still laughing and talking on her cell phone. I loaded my meager groceries into my beat up vehicle and left. Makes one wonder. this is the issue, people assume so much when they see others on welfare people in all walks of life can hit hard times and need help,, perhaps she got the car before the hard times hit, or perhaps she was driving someone elses car in either case,,, her family can eat, Im not griping over that Or maybe she bought the card cheap. |
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I was at the grocery store a while back. As I got in line to pay for my meager amount of food, I noticed a lady in front of me and her cart was full. She was talking on her cellphone, laughing and such. As she was paying I noticed that whipped out the " old Lonestar EBT card". I was surprised because she was well dressed and didn't look needy. She paid, with the card and went on out. I didn't think much more until I noticed her outside loading her bags of groceries into a real nice late model Volvo car. She was still laughing and talking on her cell phone. I loaded my meager groceries into my beat up vehicle and left. Makes one wonder. this is the issue, people assume so much when they see others on welfare people in all walks of life can hit hard times and need help,, perhaps she got the car before the hard times hit, or perhaps she was driving someone elses car in either case,,, her family can eat, Im not griping over that Or maybe she bought the card cheap. frauds can abuse any system,,, |
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They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... Welfare mentality addicts will always defend their drug. Little history on welfare. I was there though part of the beginnings. Once upon a time, Churches and civic organizations would go around and gather unsellable food items and distribute them to needy folks. Then, one day, the mean, old, greedy, ogre Corporation woke up and saw his pile of gold wasn't coming in as large as it used to. So, he, along with some ogre friends, Congress, came up with a plan to make Corporate ogre's gold pile large again. They passed laws taxing the humble citizens of the land. They were much more humble and naive back the because the news stations were not allowed to show the true faces of the ogre Congress or ogre Corporations. The taxes stopped the of free food to Churches and other organizations that fed the poor and needy. The ogre Corp commanded that all foods that didn't sell be either returned to process for other things like pet foods, fertilizers, etc. Or dumped into the dumpsters. One day, an innocent ogre employee reported that he has seen people diving into the dumpsters and retrieving food. The first action the ogre Corp commanded was for the outlets to taint, (poison), the food. After some people got sick and some died, the lowly citizen sued ogre Corp. and the ogre fed fined them a meager amount and told them to stop. They stopped and now, today, all the outlets throw their unsellable meats and veggies into sealed dumpsters. The only people who can get to it are some of the brave employees who steal it from the ogre Corp. They risk their job and jail to do it. Ogre Corp and ogre Congress, including all of DC, are sitting fat. Laughing all the way to the bank while, the humble Tax Payer supports many who choose indulge in their welfare crack. Ex ogre Presidents and other ogre politicians live happily ever after The End ___________________________________________________________________ Welfare should be a moral obligation. Not a legal one. No more forced Welfare Tax! |
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They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... Welfare mentality addicts will always defend their drug. Little history on welfare. I was there though part of the beginnings. Once upon a time, Churches and civic organizations would go around and gather unsellable food items and distribute them to needy folks. Then, one day, the mean, old, greedy, ogre Corporation woke up and saw his pile of gold wasn't coming in as large as it used to. So, he, along with some ogre friends, Congress, came up with a plan to make Corporate ogre's gold pile large again. They passed laws taxing the humble citizens of the land. They were much more humble and naive back the because the news stations were not allowed to show the true faces of the ogre Congress or ogre Corporations. The taxes stopped the of free food to Churches and other organizations that fed the poor and needy. The ogre Corp commanded that all foods that didn't sell be either returned to process for other things like pet foods, fertilizers, etc. Or dumped into the dumpsters. One day, an innocent ogre employee reported that he has seen people diving into the dumpsters and retrieving food. The first action the ogre Corp commanded was for the outlets to taint, (poison), the food. After some people got sick and some died, the lowly citizen sued ogre Corp. and the ogre fed fined them a meager amount and told them to stop. They stopped and now, today, all the outlets throw their unsellable meats and veggies into sealed dumpsters. The only people who can get to it are some of the brave employees who steal it from the ogre Corp. They risk their job and jail to do it. Ogre Corp and ogre Congress, including all of DC, are sitting fat. Laughing all the way to the bank while, the humble Tax Payer supports many who choose indulge in their welfare crack. Ex ogre Presidents and other ogre politicians live happily ever after The End ___________________________________________________________________ Welfare should be a moral obligation. Not a legal one. No more forced Welfare Tax! no more forced school tax either, while we are at it,, it shouldnt be a 'legal' obligation no more forced military pay (taxes) either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations no more forced infrastructure tax either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations people should choose to donate to schools if they are going to use them,,,see how many generations we will get through before we are overrun with embeciles.. people should choose to donate to military if they agree to having a military, ,, see how long those 'patriots' continue to serve.... people should also choose to donate to keeping up the roads and buildings,, see how long before we also 'look' like a third world country as our haves and have nots define a third world country divide,,, heck, we can cut the budget by 1/8 getting rid of welfare and another 1/4 by getting rid of military,,,,,thats a whopping 3/8 we should certainly have a better BUDGET , damn what kind of COUNTRY we are left with though,,lol when it happens ,I can move to any of the other WESTERN countries doing just as well and not GRIPING about taking care of their own,,,, |
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Welfare mentality addicts will always defend their drug. Little history on welfare. I was there though part of the beginnings. Once upon a time, Churches and civic organizations would go around and gather unsellable food items and distribute them to needy folks. Then, one day, the mean, old, greedy, ogre Corporation woke up and saw his pile of gold wasn't coming in as large as it used to. So, he, along with some ogre friends, Congress, came up with a plan to make Corporate ogre's gold pile large again. They passed laws taxing the humble citizens of the land. They were much more humble and naive back the because the news stations were not allowed to show the true faces of the ogre Congress or ogre Corporations. The taxes stopped the of free food to Churches and other organizations that fed the poor and needy. The ogre Corp commanded that all foods that didn't sell be either returned to process for other things like pet foods, fertilizers, etc. Or dumped into the dumpsters. One day, an innocent ogre employee reported that he has seen people diving into the dumpsters and retrieving food. The first action the ogre Corp commanded was for the outlets to taint, (poison), the food. After some people got sick and some died, the lowly citizen sued ogre Corp. and the ogre fed fined them a meager amount and told them to stop. They stopped and now, today, all the outlets throw their unsellable meats and veggies into sealed dumpsters. The only people who can get to it are some of the brave employees who steal it from the ogre Corp. They risk their job and jail to do it. Ogre Corp and ogre Congress, including all of DC, are sitting fat. Laughing all the way to the bank while, the humble Tax Payer supports many who choose indulge in their welfare crack. Ex ogre Presidents and other ogre politicians live happily ever after The End ___________________________________________________________________ Welfare should be a moral obligation. Not a legal one. No more forced Welfare Tax! [quote when it happens ,I can move to any of the other WESTERN countries doing just as well and not GRIPING about taking care of their own,,,, If, they were my own, yes, I would do what was needed until, they were adult enough to do for themselves. The welfare-crack-addict are not my own and I would vote to end the welfare crack tax. I hear Mexico is the place to go. Or, maybe Columbia. Canada has a great welfare system. You like hockey? |
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I was at the grocery store a while back. As I got in line to pay for my meager amount of food, I noticed a lady in front of me and her cart was full. She was talking on her cellphone, laughing and such. As she was paying I noticed that whipped out the " old Lonestar EBT card". I was surprised because she was well dressed and didn't look needy. She paid, with the card and went on out. I didn't think much more until I noticed her outside loading her bags of groceries into a real nice late model Volvo car. She was still laughing and talking on her cell phone. I loaded my meager groceries into my beat up vehicle and left. Makes one wonder. Are you assuming that the card she used is a welfare-payment card? What if the card is for something else? |
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I hear Mexico is the place to go. Or, maybe Columbia.
Columbia? You must be kidding. On the 29th of June of 2012, Columbia, South Carolina experienced a high temperature of 109 degrees Fahrenheit. Why would anyone want to move to such a hot city? |
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They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... Welfare mentality addicts will always defend their drug. Little history on welfare. I was there though part of the beginnings. Once upon a time, Churches and civic organizations would go around and gather unsellable food items and distribute them to needy folks. Then, one day, the mean, old, greedy, ogre Corporation woke up and saw his pile of gold wasn't coming in as large as it used to. So, he, along with some ogre friends, Congress, came up with a plan to make Corporate ogre's gold pile large again. They passed laws taxing the humble citizens of the land. They were much more humble and naive back the because the news stations were not allowed to show the true faces of the ogre Congress or ogre Corporations. The taxes stopped the of free food to Churches and other organizations that fed the poor and needy. The ogre Corp commanded that all foods that didn't sell be either returned to process for other things like pet foods, fertilizers, etc. Or dumped into the dumpsters. One day, an innocent ogre employee reported that he has seen people diving into the dumpsters and retrieving food. The first action the ogre Corp commanded was for the outlets to taint, (poison), the food. After some people got sick and some died, the lowly citizen sued ogre Corp. and the ogre fed fined them a meager amount and told them to stop. They stopped and now, today, all the outlets throw their unsellable meats and veggies into sealed dumpsters. The only people who can get to it are some of the brave employees who steal it from the ogre Corp. They risk their job and jail to do it. Ogre Corp and ogre Congress, including all of DC, are sitting fat. Laughing all the way to the bank while, the humble Tax Payer supports many who choose indulge in their welfare crack. Ex ogre Presidents and other ogre politicians live happily ever after The End ___________________________________________________________________ Welfare should be a moral obligation. Not a legal one. No more forced Welfare Tax! no more forced school tax either, while we are at it,, it shouldnt be a 'legal' obligation no more forced military pay (taxes) either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations no more forced infrastructure tax either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations people should choose to donate to schools if they are going to use them,,,see how many generations we will get through before we are overrun with embeciles.. people should choose to donate to military if they agree to having a military, ,, see how long those 'patriots' continue to serve.... people should also choose to donate to keeping up the roads and buildings,, see how long before we also 'look' like a third world country as our haves and have nots define a third world country divide,,, heck, we can cut the budget by 1/8 getting rid of welfare and another 1/4 by getting rid of military,,,,,thats a whopping 3/8 we should certainly have a better BUDGET , damn what kind of COUNTRY we are left with though,,lol when it happens ,I can move to any of the other WESTERN countries doing just as well and not GRIPING about taking care of their own,,,, Except these are equal access items and don't go to individuals. Totally different. |
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I hear Mexico is the place to go. Or, maybe Columbia.
Columbia? You must be kidding. On the 29th of June of 2012, Columbia, South Carolina experienced a high temperature of 109 degrees Fahrenheit. Why would anyone want to move to such a hot city? Not that Columbia! It's been that here to. I suggested Columbia cuz if you're over 30 you can't get a job. There is no public assistance. They are all out at street markets competing for pesos. |
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I was at the grocery store a while back. As I got in line to pay for my meager amount of food, I noticed a lady in front of me and her cart was full. She was talking on her cellphone, laughing and such. As she was paying I noticed that whipped out the " old Lonestar EBT card". I was surprised because she was well dressed and didn't look needy. She paid, with the card and went on out. I didn't think much more until I noticed her outside loading her bags of groceries into a real nice late model Volvo car. She was still laughing and talking on her cell phone. I loaded my meager groceries into my beat up vehicle and left. Makes one wonder. Are you assuming that the card she used is a welfare-payment card? What if the card is for something else? Lonestar is Food Stamps and ebt. If the basket is full of food, junk food sodas or health value food, they use the Lonestar for food stamps. |
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I was at the grocery store a while back. As I got in line to pay for my meager amount of food, I noticed a lady in front of me and her cart was full. She was talking on her cellphone, laughing and such. As she was paying I noticed that whipped out the " old Lonestar EBT card". I was surprised because she was well dressed and didn't look needy. She paid, with the card and went on out. I didn't think much more until I noticed her outside loading her bags of groceries into a real nice late model Volvo car. She was still laughing and talking on her cell phone. I loaded my meager groceries into my beat up vehicle and left. Makes one wonder. Are you assuming that the card she used is a welfare-payment card? What if the card is for something else? Lonestar is Food Stamps and ebt. If the basket is full of food, junk food sodas or health value food, they use the Lonestar for food stamps. It's also a steakhouse. But I don't think she was paying with a steakhouse. |
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They don't contribute and saying working welfare recipiants contribute is not a valid arguement anyway....If a person who works can still qualify for welfare they are "contrubuting" very little or, in in most cases, nothing to the program.... Or, as Harmony said earlier, they are even getting money back.... Some facts...Welfare DOES foster dependence, it DOES compel people who work give money to people who don't work.... The real question is ethical..Are we morally "bound" to help the less fortunate?...OR....Is the real truth that someone else's need is not an automatic claim on those without need?.... I don't think most people take issue with helping those less fortunate, I think people take issue with government coercing them into supporting the poor...What gives government that right?...By what right do you use force to transfer money from those who have it to those who don't?... The old and tired arguement that all people have a right to life does not mean welfare is intended to provide a means to sustaine life to those who can't or won't...The right to life means every person has the right to take what ever life sustaining measures necessary as long as they do not violate the rights of others... Since you can't force people to be moral, you cannot defend welfare as a right to life....Welfare is nothing more than stealing property from one person and giving it to another....It should be abolished because helping people is a personal choice not a political policy..... Welfare mentality addicts will always defend their drug. Little history on welfare. I was there though part of the beginnings. Once upon a time, Churches and civic organizations would go around and gather unsellable food items and distribute them to needy folks. Then, one day, the mean, old, greedy, ogre Corporation woke up and saw his pile of gold wasn't coming in as large as it used to. So, he, along with some ogre friends, Congress, came up with a plan to make Corporate ogre's gold pile large again. They passed laws taxing the humble citizens of the land. They were much more humble and naive back the because the news stations were not allowed to show the true faces of the ogre Congress or ogre Corporations. The taxes stopped the of free food to Churches and other organizations that fed the poor and needy. The ogre Corp commanded that all foods that didn't sell be either returned to process for other things like pet foods, fertilizers, etc. Or dumped into the dumpsters. One day, an innocent ogre employee reported that he has seen people diving into the dumpsters and retrieving food. The first action the ogre Corp commanded was for the outlets to taint, (poison), the food. After some people got sick and some died, the lowly citizen sued ogre Corp. and the ogre fed fined them a meager amount and told them to stop. They stopped and now, today, all the outlets throw their unsellable meats and veggies into sealed dumpsters. The only people who can get to it are some of the brave employees who steal it from the ogre Corp. They risk their job and jail to do it. Ogre Corp and ogre Congress, including all of DC, are sitting fat. Laughing all the way to the bank while, the humble Tax Payer supports many who choose indulge in their welfare crack. Ex ogre Presidents and other ogre politicians live happily ever after The End ___________________________________________________________________ Welfare should be a moral obligation. Not a legal one. No more forced Welfare Tax! no more forced school tax either, while we are at it,, it shouldnt be a 'legal' obligation no more forced military pay (taxes) either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations no more forced infrastructure tax either, they shouldnt be 'legal' obligations people should choose to donate to schools if they are going to use them,,,see how many generations we will get through before we are overrun with embeciles.. people should choose to donate to military if they agree to having a military, ,, see how long those 'patriots' continue to serve.... people should also choose to donate to keeping up the roads and buildings,, see how long before we also 'look' like a third world country as our haves and have nots define a third world country divide,,, heck, we can cut the budget by 1/8 getting rid of welfare and another 1/4 by getting rid of military,,,,,thats a whopping 3/8 we should certainly have a better BUDGET , damn what kind of COUNTRY we are left with though,,lol when it happens ,I can move to any of the other WESTERN countries doing just as well and not GRIPING about taking care of their own,,,, What do schools, military, and infrastructure have to do with welfare? |
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I hear Mexico is the place to go. Or, maybe Columbia.
Columbia? You must be kidding. On the 29th of June of 2012, Columbia, South Carolina experienced a high temperature of 109 degrees Fahrenheit. Why would anyone want to move to such a hot city? Not that Columbia! It's been that here to. I suggested Columbia cuz if you're over 30 you can't get a job. There is no public assistance. They are all out at street markets competing for pesos. In what city named Columbia can you not get a job if you're over 30, or has no public assistance or has street markets competing for pesos? Or did you simply misspell the name of the South American nation of Colombia? There is no letter "U" in the name of the South American nation of Colombia. |
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