Topic: what we 'deserve'
msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 06:50 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/29/12 06:51 PM



Father's who don't have citizenship? And a degree in what? U r the one who said u can't work because of kids. Could they not be in day care while u work?



good grief Chaz, I am not a criminal, I will answer one last group of questions

I have a degree in education and am parelegal certified as well. On the deans list during BOTH of those educational endeavors.

yes, My child has a father who was not and still is not a US citizenship. I Actually had a passport and had relations with someone in another country AFTER We married in that country and planned (at the time) to reside there together


I cant work just ANY job (any shift, any pay rate, any benefit package, any job description) , because I have to make sure my kids are looked after. not JUST financially, but emotionally by the examples and values I live by

YEs..

this is reality, I have no issue with my kids understanding reality and they have enough love and reinforcement not to feel like an 'obstruction'

I never said they are the reason I 'cant work', but they are a consideration to what TYPE Of employment I can accept







That's fine but the point is YOU are choosing not to work and you think you deserve other people's money. That is exactly what I am talking about. I would say this is even worse then those with no education. You could easily support yourself and your kids. You may have good intentions but you are basically ripping off the tax payers. I mean I am sure you are qualified for many positions that have been posted the past 3 years.


no, I am not CHOOSING not to work, I do want to work but employers are CHOOSING not to hire me

and I Deserve to have some BASIC HELP because I have worked and contributed in some way the majority of my life,,,and will continue to


I am sure I have been qualified for them too, perhaps you should show disdain for those employers who have yet to hire me,,,

like I said, must be nice living in the glass house,,,

Chazster's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:03 PM




Like arbitrarily giving Illegals legal status, the current welfare and unemployment system needs to be overhauled.

Cut the food stamp rations in half.

Stop making taxpayers supplement their housing. Section 8.

Stop extensions for folks who have been unemployed for over, I'd say, 18 months.

Create jobs;

Hire investigators to actually enter the homes of welfare recipients. Count heads and look to see if more than reported are living there. The ones who are unreported are the ones with jobs. IE; Woman sits at home while boyfriend works.

Put more folks to work actually running down the lists people report to have actually contacted about a job and that jobs listed aren't just duplicated and submitted.




cutting food stamps is not humane, people (mostly children who are the majority receiving) need to eat

taxpayers supplement plenty of things that any one of the millions probably dont use themself but help COLLECTIVELY the culture and morale of the community

Children also need homes, and the money has to come from somewhere,,,

Im not aware of unemployment lasting more than 18 months on any regular basis

instead of creating jobs to kick people off of assistance, create the jobs that can help people earn a way off of it,,,

the money spent for employees to search EVERY job posting (I do on average a minimum of 240 per month) is a futile way to punish people for the lack of job availability

there really arent an endless supply of jobs in any given residential radius,, contrary to popular belief

and almost ALL employers , unless you have the right 'reference' , are seeking some experience in the field or some other arbitrary preference that legally excludes large groups of people,,,,


If you can't provide for your own kids then maybe they should be with a family who can. The state can easily support the children who have no ability to support themselves. Then let the parent find work where they can be self sustaining, or get an education, etc. Honestly a parent living on welfare is not a good role model for kids. Having a self sustaining family that teaches real world values will give them much more.


So should all of the americans affected by loss of a job, a home, and much else because of current economy, then need to worry about losing their kids?

So the state will pay someone else to take care of them or pay someone who will?... yet the actual parents should not receive anything that would allow them to care for their own kids?

So a single mother that has worked all her life in the US and is now receiving social security disability at 67, should not receive section 8 to supplement her housing?

Maybe we should just kill all the senior, foreigners, and poor, costing us tax money, and then utopia will fall into place?

Different seasons, hard times and many attributes can impact us negatively. Some things beyond our control, come upon the best of us.



Should all? No, should ones that do not have the current skill set to ever do it? Yes, even if it is only a day care program that either allows the parent to work or get an education it is far better for the family and society in the long run. Look at this mentality. No don't educate us just give us free money.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:07 PM





Like arbitrarily giving Illegals legal status, the current welfare and unemployment system needs to be overhauled.

Cut the food stamp rations in half.

Stop making taxpayers supplement their housing. Section 8.

Stop extensions for folks who have been unemployed for over, I'd say, 18 months.

Create jobs;

Hire investigators to actually enter the homes of welfare recipients. Count heads and look to see if more than reported are living there. The ones who are unreported are the ones with jobs. IE; Woman sits at home while boyfriend works.

Put more folks to work actually running down the lists people report to have actually contacted about a job and that jobs listed aren't just duplicated and submitted.




cutting food stamps is not humane, people (mostly children who are the majority receiving) need to eat

taxpayers supplement plenty of things that any one of the millions probably dont use themself but help COLLECTIVELY the culture and morale of the community

Children also need homes, and the money has to come from somewhere,,,

Im not aware of unemployment lasting more than 18 months on any regular basis

instead of creating jobs to kick people off of assistance, create the jobs that can help people earn a way off of it,,,

the money spent for employees to search EVERY job posting (I do on average a minimum of 240 per month) is a futile way to punish people for the lack of job availability

there really arent an endless supply of jobs in any given residential radius,, contrary to popular belief

and almost ALL employers , unless you have the right 'reference' , are seeking some experience in the field or some other arbitrary preference that legally excludes large groups of people,,,,


If you can't provide for your own kids then maybe they should be with a family who can. The state can easily support the children who have no ability to support themselves. Then let the parent find work where they can be self sustaining, or get an education, etc. Honestly a parent living on welfare is not a good role model for kids. Having a self sustaining family that teaches real world values will give them much more.


So should all of the americans affected by loss of a job, a home, and much else because of current economy, then need to worry about losing their kids?

So the state will pay someone else to take care of them or pay someone who will?... yet the actual parents should not receive anything that would allow them to care for their own kids?

So a single mother that has worked all her life in the US and is now receiving social security disability at 67, should not receive section 8 to supplement her housing?

Maybe we should just kill all the senior, foreigners, and poor, costing us tax money, and then utopia will fall into place?

Different seasons, hard times and many attributes can impact us negatively. Some things beyond our control, come upon the best of us.



Should all? No, should ones that do not have the current skill set to ever do it? Yes, even if it is only a day care program that either allows the parent to work or get an education it is far better for the family and society in the long run. Look at this mentality. No don't educate us just give us free money.



that is already part of the welfare program, there is a subsidy for the daycare for children (daytime shift) while particpants 'work' or 'apply' to work

there is no need to take children away except to futther belittle, berate, or punish for having hit hard times,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:08 PM
Another person whom I believe would disagree with the premise of this thread is American economist Walter E. Williams, Ph.D.

In a newspaper interview, Dr. Williams said, "Racial discrimination is not the problem of black people that it used to be. Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood." (Quote Source)

As a child, Dr. Williams was a neighbor of American entertainer Bill Cosby.


msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:11 PM

Another person whom I believe would disagree with the premise of this thread is American economist Walter E. Williams, Ph.D.

In a newspaper interview, Dr. Williams said, "Racial discrimination is not the problem of black people that it used to be. Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood." (Quote Source)

As a child, Dr. Williams was a neighbor of American entertainer Bill Cosby.




it is more of a subtle problem that many refuse to see

blatant discrimination is not the problem it used to be,, now there are several legally valid reasons to exclude people from opportunities,,,,

is racsim the fault of EVERYTHING, like the violence in some urban areas ,,,NO

but because it is sometimes not applicable to a situation, doesnt mean that it isnt OFTEN applicable in many other situations

Chazster's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:11 PM




Father's who don't have citizenship? And a degree in what? U r the one who said u can't work because of kids. Could they not be in day care while u work?



good grief Chaz, I am not a criminal, I will answer one last group of questions

I have a degree in education and am parelegal certified as well. On the deans list during BOTH of those educational endeavors.

yes, My child has a father who was not and still is not a US citizenship. I Actually had a passport and had relations with someone in another country AFTER We married in that country and planned (at the time) to reside there together


I cant work just ANY job (any shift, any pay rate, any benefit package, any job description) , because I have to make sure my kids are looked after. not JUST financially, but emotionally by the examples and values I live by

YEs..

this is reality, I have no issue with my kids understanding reality and they have enough love and reinforcement not to feel like an 'obstruction'

I never said they are the reason I 'cant work', but they are a consideration to what TYPE Of employment I can accept







That's fine but the point is YOU are choosing not to work and you think you deserve other people's money. That is exactly what I am talking about. I would say this is even worse then those with no education. You could easily support yourself and your kids. You may have good intentions but you are basically ripping off the tax payers. I mean I am sure you are qualified for many positions that have been posted the past 3 years.


no, I am not CHOOSING not to work, I do want to work but employers are CHOOSING not to hire me

and I Deserve to have some BASIC HELP because I have worked and contributed in some way the majority of my life,,,and will continue to


I am sure I have been qualified for them too, perhaps you should show disdain for those employers who have yet to hire me,,,

like I said, must be nice living in the glass house,,,

You already said yourself, I can't work any job,any shift, any salary, any benefit package. You also stated if you were not a parent you would have a job. This means there were opportunities you didn't take advantage of. It is just you haven't found something ideal. If the government said all assistance stopped in 2013 I am sure your family would be fine it just wouldn't be ideal.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:13 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/29/12 07:14 PM





Father's who don't have citizenship? And a degree in what? U r the one who said u can't work because of kids. Could they not be in day care while u work?



good grief Chaz, I am not a criminal, I will answer one last group of questions

I have a degree in education and am parelegal certified as well. On the deans list during BOTH of those educational endeavors.

yes, My child has a father who was not and still is not a US citizenship. I Actually had a passport and had relations with someone in another country AFTER We married in that country and planned (at the time) to reside there together


I cant work just ANY job (any shift, any pay rate, any benefit package, any job description) , because I have to make sure my kids are looked after. not JUST financially, but emotionally by the examples and values I live by

YEs..

this is reality, I have no issue with my kids understanding reality and they have enough love and reinforcement not to feel like an 'obstruction'

I never said they are the reason I 'cant work', but they are a consideration to what TYPE Of employment I can accept







That's fine but the point is YOU are choosing not to work and you think you deserve other people's money. That is exactly what I am talking about. I would say this is even worse then those with no education. You could easily support yourself and your kids. You may have good intentions but you are basically ripping off the tax payers. I mean I am sure you are qualified for many positions that have been posted the past 3 years.


no, I am not CHOOSING not to work, I do want to work but employers are CHOOSING not to hire me

and I Deserve to have some BASIC HELP because I have worked and contributed in some way the majority of my life,,,and will continue to


I am sure I have been qualified for them too, perhaps you should show disdain for those employers who have yet to hire me,,,

like I said, must be nice living in the glass house,,,

You already said yourself, I can't work any job,any shift, any salary, any benefit package. You also stated if you were not a parent you would have a job. This means there were opportunities you didn't take advantage of. It is just you haven't found something ideal. If the government said all assistance stopped in 2013 I am sure your family would be fine it just wouldn't be ideal.



ok whoa

yeah,, Im struggling just to wait for the 'ideal'....



Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:13 PM
. . . that is already part of the welfare program, there is a subsidy for the daycare for children (daytime shift) while particpants 'work' or 'apply' to work

there is no need to take children away except to futther belittle, berate, or punish for having hit hard times,,,


:thumbsup:

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:16 PM






Father's who don't have citizenship? And a degree in what? U r the one who said u can't work because of kids. Could they not be in day care while u work?



good grief Chaz, I am not a criminal, I will answer one last group of questions

I have a degree in education and am parelegal certified as well. On the deans list during BOTH of those educational endeavors.

yes, My child has a father who was not and still is not a US citizenship. I Actually had a passport and had relations with someone in another country AFTER We married in that country and planned (at the time) to reside there together


I cant work just ANY job (any shift, any pay rate, any benefit package, any job description) , because I have to make sure my kids are looked after. not JUST financially, but emotionally by the examples and values I live by

YEs..

this is reality, I have no issue with my kids understanding reality and they have enough love and reinforcement not to feel like an 'obstruction'

I never said they are the reason I 'cant work', but they are a consideration to what TYPE Of employment I can accept







That's fine but the point is YOU are choosing not to work and you think you deserve other people's money. That is exactly what I am talking about. I would say this is even worse then those with no education. You could easily support yourself and your kids. You may have good intentions but you are basically ripping off the tax payers. I mean I am sure you are qualified for many positions that have been posted the past 3 years.


no, I am not CHOOSING not to work, I do want to work but employers are CHOOSING not to hire me

and I Deserve to have some BASIC HELP because I have worked and contributed in some way the majority of my life,,,and will continue to


I am sure I have been qualified for them too, perhaps you should show disdain for those employers who have yet to hire me,,,

like I said, must be nice living in the glass house,,,

You already said yourself, I can't work any job,any shift, any salary, any benefit package. You also stated if you were not a parent you would have a job. This means there were opportunities you didn't take advantage of. It is just you haven't found something ideal. If the government said all assistance stopped in 2013 I am sure your family would be fine it just wouldn't be ideal.



ok whoa

yeah,, Im struggling just to wait for the 'ideal'....


Im sure you have applied to jobs as a doctor, because you dont need to apply just for what you are 'qualified' for,, that would be waiting for the 'ideal'



Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:24 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 06/29/12 07:27 PM
Soon, there will be no entitlements paid at all..... We are broke thanks to the wars, the bailouts, entitlements.

SS was robbed to fund the wars, now the burden falls on future generations paying into it to cover those on it now, however, those paying now will NOT have it to look forward to when the time comes!

No jobs means a smaller tax base, a smaller tax base means more borrowing (debt), more debt means higher taxes, higher taxes means fewer jobs.... do the math!

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-sharp-sudden-decline-of-americas-middle-class-20120622

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:37 PM

Soon, there will be no entitlements paid at all..... We are broke thanks to the wars, the bailouts, entitlements.

SS was robbed to fund the wars, now the burden falls on future generations paying into it to cover those on it now, however, those paying now will NOT have it to look forward to when the time comes!

No jobs means a smaller tax base, a smaller tax base means more borrowing (debt), more debt means higher taxes, higher taxes means fewer jobs.... do the math!

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-sharp-sudden-decline-of-americas-middle-class-20120622


how does higher taxes equal fewer jobs?

wouldnt the inverse be true if that is true? yet taxes are lower than in years and we still have fewer jobs,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:41 PM


Another person whom I believe would disagree with the premise of this thread is American economist Walter E. Williams, Ph.D.

In a newspaper interview, Dr. Williams said, "Racial discrimination is not the problem of black people that it used to be. Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood." (Quote Source)

As a child, Dr. Williams was a neighbor of American entertainer Bill Cosby.




it is more of a subtle problem that many refuse to see

blatant discrimination is not the problem it used to be,, now there are several legally valid reasons to exclude people from opportunities,,,,

is racsim the fault of EVERYTHING, like the violence in some urban areas ,,,NO

but because it is sometimes not applicable to a situation, doesnt mean that it isnt OFTEN applicable in many other situations


You still assume that racism is a cause without demonstrating that you have eliminated all other possible causes.

Although I don't always agree with him, professional blogger John Hawkins said something about this topic that I agree with.

There will always be a few racists just like there will always be a few misogynists, misandrists, people who hate Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and diehard partisans who hate people of the opposing political persuasion. If you're hoping for a world where no one hates anyone else, you might as well hope for a genie to show up and give you three wishes. On the other hand, if you're hoping for a country where racism is no longer a serious problem, then you're living in it. . . We always claim to be fighting "wars" against things in this country -- poverty, obesity, drugs, etc., etc., etc. Well, the truth is that the "war on racism" is one of those rare fights that we've won.

But, some people just can’t bear the idea of declaring victory. Maybe they're using it as an excuse, as a political tool, or a way to fundraise. . . Start asking some people under 40 outside of the effete, pampered liberal enclaves what advantages they've had in life because they're white and don't be surprised at how many people scratch their heads in puzzlement while they try to come up with something.

Long story short, this isn't an attack or any sort of racial grievance mongering. It's just an explanation of why people are more likely to tell you to “go screw yourself” than offer sympathy if you cry "racism" these days. Americans abhor racism, but they also don't like rackets, being falsely accused, or lame excuses for poor performance. So, if you're wondering why no one cares after you cry racism, then maybe the problem isn't racism, maybe it's just you.


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 06/29/12 07:48 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 06/29/12 07:51 PM


Soon, there will be no entitlements paid at all..... We are broke thanks to the wars, the bailouts, entitlements.

SS was robbed to fund the wars, now the burden falls on future generations paying into it to cover those on it now, however, those paying now will NOT have it to look forward to when the time comes!

No jobs means a smaller tax base, a smaller tax base means more borrowing (debt), more debt means higher taxes, higher taxes means fewer jobs.... do the math!

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-sharp-sudden-decline-of-americas-middle-class-20120622


how does higher taxes equal fewer jobs?

wouldnt the inverse be true if that is true? yet taxes are lower than in years and we still have fewer jobs,,,


The middle class where the jobs are is taxed beyond their ability to pay and prosper. As a result, their business suffers, every day more and more are laid off due to these burdens just to stay afloat. The tax base decreases and the entitlements increase with every occurance...

Large Corps pay less or outsource, under employ, or otherwise screw the worker... the bigger they are, the less they pay, much of their profits go overseas, NOT into our economy...because of the taxes that would then be attached!

It's simple math! Or corruption, whichever you prefer to call it.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 06/29/12 08:01 PM


http://giavellireport.com/2012/06/29/obamacare-taxes-help-cover-free-health-care-for-americas-poor/

Obamacare Taxes Help Cover Free Health Care for America’s Poor
Posted on June 29, 2012

Now that their policies are officially recognized as a “tax” Aetna, Blue Cross, and HealthShield have all announced a new “flat tax” coverage plan which will provide complete costs to families for $2000 a month. “This is much lower than many families are currently paying for coverage. We see the industry consolidation as a good thing. We will also be offering a personal plan for health insurance for only $1,200 a month”

The great thing is that you don’t have to elect coverage, the IRS simply deducts it from your checking account directly. This new system is more efficient and president Obama has promised us more “simple direct taxes” in the future.

Illegal Aliens and those earning 133% of the poverty line are exempt of course, as they will now receive Medicare for free and no deductibles either. This covers 95% of America’s black and Hispanic population. Paid for with the new windfall from the health tax, there is now plenty of money to cover the reimburst costs the federal government sends to hospitals for covering illegal aliens care.

Hugo Ramirez, a dialysis patient who’s care costs over 300,000 a year, came to America from Mexico last year. “We all come here. Dialysis, Heart Transplants, America is a great country because everything is free.” Also many of the patients who end up in hospital beds do not have families and homes to be discharged to so they sit in hospital beds and are able to recuperate for several years. Although the costs are extravagant – upwards of five million dollars a year – the federal government also reimburses the hospitals for anyone who wishes to remain living there.

“It’s a fair system. America’s hard workers pay for those who have just come here and are trying to begin a better life. Eventually these people will become the new workers and pay the social security taxes to support the existing workers”

Except it hasn’t quite worked out that way. In fact, many of the blacks and hispanics immediately go on “disability” once they qualify and simply TAKE from the social security system never paying in a dime.

“Obama care is a step in the right direction. Now that medical care is free for us, we will all push to re-elect Obama” said Juan Rodriguez president for the Azatlan now chapter of San Dimas. “He’s a great American. We love Obama”

Some Senators worry the medicare expansion will be expensive but that’s the beauty of Obama care, there is no limit to how much they can expand the taxes to pay for it since Obamacare is simply another “tax” according to the new supreme court ruling. America truly is the land of prosperity for all.

no photo
Fri 06/29/12 08:26 PM
Edited by alleoops on Fri 06/29/12 08:28 PM
"We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty"-
Ben Franklin

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/29/12 09:12 PM
how does higher taxes equal fewer jobs?

wouldnt the inverse be true if that is true? yet taxes are lower than in years and we still have fewer jobs,,,


Jobs are created by the people who have money to invest in the creation of jobs, such as the owners of small businesses. The more money that is taken in the form of taxation, the less money that is available for the creation of jobs.

As for taxes being lower now . . . the people who create the jobs are bearing the burden of paying the most in taxes.

At times, taxation becomes punishment for working. Several years ago, I had an hourly job in which I regularly worked 40 hours a week. So, my take-home pay was the same from week to week. One week, I worked only 39 hours. I was surprised to discover that my take-home pay for that one shorter week was more than my take-home pay for a 40-hour work week.

In short, whenever I worked 40 hours, all of my pay from the 40th hour was given to the government. So, it did not benefit me for me to work that 40th hour. Taxation was incentive for me to not work 40 hours a week.

What happened to me happens to others. Taxation can be high enough to discourage people from working the long hours needed to come out on top of the economic ladder, and it is the people on top of the ladder who create jobs through investments. Taxation reduces the amount of money available for such investments.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:41 PM



Another person whom I believe would disagree with the premise of this thread is American economist Walter E. Williams, Ph.D.

In a newspaper interview, Dr. Williams said, "Racial discrimination is not the problem of black people that it used to be. Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood." (Quote Source)

As a child, Dr. Williams was a neighbor of American entertainer Bill Cosby.




it is more of a subtle problem that many refuse to see

blatant discrimination is not the problem it used to be,, now there are several legally valid reasons to exclude people from opportunities,,,,

is racsim the fault of EVERYTHING, like the violence in some urban areas ,,,NO

but because it is sometimes not applicable to a situation, doesnt mean that it isnt OFTEN applicable in many other situations


You still assume that racism is a cause without demonstrating that you have eliminated all other possible causes.

Although I don't always agree with him, professional blogger John Hawkins said something about this topic that I agree with.

There will always be a few racists just like there will always be a few misogynists, misandrists, people who hate Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and diehard partisans who hate people of the opposing political persuasion. If you're hoping for a world where no one hates anyone else, you might as well hope for a genie to show up and give you three wishes. On the other hand, if you're hoping for a country where racism is no longer a serious problem, then you're living in it. . . We always claim to be fighting "wars" against things in this country -- poverty, obesity, drugs, etc., etc., etc. Well, the truth is that the "war on racism" is one of those rare fights that we've won.

But, some people just can’t bear the idea of declaring victory. Maybe they're using it as an excuse, as a political tool, or a way to fundraise. . . Start asking some people under 40 outside of the effete, pampered liberal enclaves what advantages they've had in life because they're white and don't be surprised at how many people scratch their heads in puzzlement while they try to come up with something.

Long story short, this isn't an attack or any sort of racial grievance mongering. It's just an explanation of why people are more likely to tell you to “go screw yourself” than offer sympathy if you cry "racism" these days. Americans abhor racism, but they also don't like rackets, being falsely accused, or lame excuses for poor performance. So, if you're wondering why no one cares after you cry racism, then maybe the problem isn't racism, maybe it's just you.





I like Michele Alexanders Quote

Race plays a major role-indeed, a defining role – in the current system, but not because of what is commonly understood as old-fashioned, hostile bigotry. This system of control depends far more on racial indifference (defined as a lack of compassion and caring about race and racial groups) than racial hostility – a feature it actually shares with its predecessors.”[4]



many people, of all races, believe that because racism is no longer blatant it is no longer a real problem,,,those people dont look at all the areas in our system where there seems to be such a serious RACIAL indiscrepancy,,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:44 PM

how does higher taxes equal fewer jobs?

wouldnt the inverse be true if that is true? yet taxes are lower than in years and we still have fewer jobs,,,


Jobs are created by the people who have money to invest in the creation of jobs, such as the owners of small businesses. The more money that is taken in the form of taxation, the less money that is available for the creation of jobs.

As for taxes being lower now . . . the people who create the jobs are bearing the burden of paying the most in taxes.

At times, taxation becomes punishment for working. Several years ago, I had an hourly job in which I regularly worked 40 hours a week. So, my take-home pay was the same from week to week. One week, I worked only 39 hours. I was surprised to discover that my take-home pay for that one shorter week was more than my take-home pay for a 40-hour work week.

In short, whenever I worked 40 hours, all of my pay from the 40th hour was given to the government. So, it did not benefit me for me to work that 40th hour. Taxation was incentive for me to not work 40 hours a week.

What happened to me happens to others. Taxation can be high enough to discourage people from working the long hours needed to come out on top of the economic ladder, and it is the people on top of the ladder who create jobs through investments. Taxation reduces the amount of money available for such investments.



think about this statement

As for taxes being lower now . . . the people who create the jobs are bearing the burden of paying the most in taxes.


the people paying the 'most' taxes have obviously not done that well
with creating jobs,,considering the discrepancy in wealth is increasing much faster in their favor than anyone elses,,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:46 PM

"We should make the poor uncomfortable, to kick them out of poverty"-
Ben Franklin




trust me, being poor is rarely 'comfortable',,,,,its already plenty uncomfortable to struggle

and all the uncomfortableness in the world will not get someone 'out' of poverty

only employment can do that,,,and only EMPLOYERS Can offer that to the 'poor'

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Sat 06/30/12 07:49 AM

. . . that is already part of the welfare program, there is a subsidy for the daycare for children (daytime shift) while particpants 'work' or 'apply' to work

there is no need to take children away except to futther belittle, berate, or punish for having hit hard times,,,


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There is not a program to educate the parents is there? Look at the statistics, children from low income families are more likely to do drugs, be in gangs,commit crimes, go to jail, and be low income themselves. How many low income families live in gang areas? Yes it's so horrible wanting to save them from that. So horrible to say parents we are going to train you in a skill so you can get a decent job and provide a good life for your family.