spanking gets your kids ready for a beatdown

and timeouts or grounding gets them ready for prison or house arrest

lol

MsHarmony...I've asked you what level or pain turns a legal spanking into an illegal beating..and you couldn't answer that...



during your child's time outs do you tie them to a chair...if not...then your unlawful restraint analogy is misleading



are there bars on the windows and doors as you lock your child into the bedroom...if not...then once again your analogy is misleading...



parents once had authority to stone their children to death or sacrifice them as a burnt offering ...but I guess as long as the law allows you to inflict pain on your child then it's morally ok



so yes or no...do you think Creflo Dollar, choking his daughter and beating her...oops I meant and spanking her with a non-lethal shoe should be viewed as acceptable discipline

§ 20.02. UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly restrains another person


§ 20.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Restrain" means to restrict a person's movements
without consent, so as to interfere substantially with the person's
liberty, by moving the person from one place to another or by
confining the person. Restraint is "without consent" if it is
accomplished by:




(A) force, intimidation, or deception; or
(B) any means, including acquiescence of the
victim,


being 'tied to a chair' is not a condition for unlawful restraint

§ 20.02. UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly restrains another person


§ 20.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Restrain" means to restrict a person's movements
without consent, so as to interfere substantially with the person's
liberty, by moving the person from one place to another or by
confining the person. Restraint is "without consent" if it is
accomplished by:




(A) force, intimidation, or deception; or
(B) any means, including acquiescence of the
victim,


being 'tied to a chair' is not a condition for unlawful restraint

To prevail under a false imprisonment claim, a plaintiff must prove: (1) willful detention; (2) without consent; and (3) without authority of law.(Restatement of the Law, Second, Torts)


wrongful incarceration above should be changed to read 'false imprisonment'

which does not require there to be 'bars'

parents once had authority to stone their children to death or sacrifice them as a burnt offering ...but I guess as long as the law allows you to inflict pain on your child then it's morally ok



morals are subjective, the laws are cultural,, but you choose a nice ad populum argument,,,,

perhaps morals vs laws can be another thread,,,but good luck finding consensus on what is 'moral' or why

so yes or no...do you think Creflo Dollar, choking his daughter and beating her...oops I meant and spanking her with a non-lethal shoe should be viewed as acceptable discipline



no, I do not thinkg CHOKING is appropriate discipline

I also dont believe that is what happened just because the daughter claims it is


yes, I do believe spanking with a non lethal shoe (on the behind) is acceptable discipline depending upon how many 'swats' and how hard the shoe

so if you got caught with your child tied to a chair...you would play like you didn't intentionally know what you was doing....oh I see...you're going to use the insanity defense



so as long as the child "allows" the parent to tie them to the chair then it's not restraint ..you sure you don't want to rethink that?



right...you as the parent didn't force or intimidate the child to be tied to the chair...the child likes to be tied and just jumped into the chair and ask you to tie them to it



MsHarmony...are you actually trying to argue the point that a child being tied to a chair by the parent is not unlawful restraint

see.... now you're getting scary

lol, IM not obsessed about tying people to chairs and noone has done that to me including my parents,,,,


you should be scared of yourself and whats going on in your own head,,,,

the point was LAWFUL vs UNLAWFUL

those actions are UNLAWFUL but not if

if:(i) the victim is a child who is less than 14 years of age or an incompetent person and the parent, guardian, or person or institution acting in loco parentis has not acquiesced in the movement or confinement; or(ii) the victim is a child who is 14 years of age or older and younger than 17 years of age, the victim is taken outside of the state and outside a 120-mile radius from the victim's residence, and the parent, guardian, or person or institution acting in loco parentis has not acquiesced in the movement

MsHarmony...the fact that you had to change wrongful incarceration to false imprisonment as an analogy to "being grounded".... only proves my point that your analogies are not only misleading but bad

beating a child isn't subjective ....just the morally of it is

and restraint isnt subjective, however the circumstances dictate the LEGALITY of it and the morality of it will remain subjective,,,

as the morality of anything else,,,

the fact that I changed wrongful incarceration to false imprisonment shows that there are 'legal' terms to describe actions that can be described in non legal terms as well

yep I guess you also believe that his daughter place those light bruises on her own neck......but then again no one should ever believe a child over a Man of the cloth...clearly they would never do anything to hurt children



er....what if in the heat of the momment Creflo missed his daughter's behind with the shoe...is beating her other places on her body with a shoe still acceptable to you

MsHarmony..you were the one that used the analogy "Unlawful restraint" with "grounding"

as I said...you are the Mistress of Bad Analogies

yep I guess you also believe that his daughter place those light bruises on her own neck......but then again no one should ever believe a child over a Man of the cloth...clearly they would never do anything to hurt children



'light' bruise is just vague enough that they could have been there from any number of causes besides a CHOKING<, which would probably cause more than 'light' bruising....


men of the cloth 'hurt' children, but I see no evidence this child was 'hurt'

MsHarmony...if you can not tell what level of pain is required to make a legal spanking into an illegal beating....then why bring up what is lawful or unlawful pertaining to inflicting pain upon a child

you could believe you are giving the child a spanking but could in fact could be giving the level of pain to the child that would constitute as being an unlawful beating or vise versa

so why not be safe and lawful and not inflict to the child a spanking of a beatdown

no clue what you are on about, per usual,,lol

unlawful restraint is a legal term, defined as

knowingly or purposely and without lawful authority restrains another so as to interfere substantially with the other person's liberty


which implies there is a circumstance where people have LAWFUL AUTHORITY to interfere and circumstances where they are WITHOUT


those without use methods referred to as grounding..



Grounding is a form of punishment, usually for older children, preteens and teenagers, that restricts their movement outside of the home, such as visiting friends or using the car. Sometimes it is combined with the withdrawal of privileges.



in other words, the law gives PARENTS AUTHORITY over their children that it doesnt give CITIZENS over other ADULT CITIZENS,,


reasonable,by nature of responsibility towards/for their children that doesnt exist for other ADULT CITIZENS