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the intent is not 'pain' , the intent is deterrence and discipline the intent to deterrence and discipline can be accomplish without inflicting pain......but the sole intent of a spanking is to inflict pain.. a rose is not a hibiscus just because they are both red,,, perhaps they are both red due to a spanking but calling a rose a hibiscus does not stop it from being a rose...just as calling a beating a spanking doesn't change the fact that the child was beaten |
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And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults. I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,, perhaps that's why some parents tell their children to pick out the object they will be beaten with ...it's like the child is giving consent here mommy dearest...this is the belt I've picked for you to beat me with oh thank you my child...I like how easy it is to grip and swing this belt..I will take great pleasure in spanking you with it that parent has issues,, I would bet my parents never thought this and I never have either its nothing like a 'pleasure' to spank, anymore than its a 'pleasure' most days after a job to cook a meal or clean dishes,,,but its as necessary to discipline as it is to cook and clean did your parents also inflict pain on you if you didn't cook or clean their perferred way |
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And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults. I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,, Well, an honest woman! Exceptional first spanking I ever got was for lying,,,lol  to this day, its very hard for me to be intentionally misleading,,,
Jeez Msharmony...the way you be tap dancing around the issues in the forum...that first spanking clearly didn't have any impact(no pun intended) no tap dancing, and the 'issues' are subjective to the person who has them and obsesses over them,,, wouldn't that be the perfect description of the prelude to a spanking ....that a person capable of inflicting pain upon their own defenseless child have issues and obsess over them |
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And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults. I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,, perhaps that's why some parents tell their children to pick out the object they will be beaten with ...it's like the child is giving consent here mommy dearest...this is the belt I've picked for you to beat me with oh thank you my child...I like how easy it is to grip and swing this belt..I will take great pleasure in spanking you with it that parent has issues,, I would bet my parents never thought this and I never have either its nothing like a 'pleasure' to spank, anymore than its a 'pleasure' most days after a job to cook a meal or clean dishes,,,but its as necessary to discipline as it is to cook and clean did your parents also inflict pain on you if you didn't cook or clean their perferred way nope, that wasnt as oorporal an offense as lying,,, or blatant disobedience (telling us to do something NOW and finding hours later we still had not) |
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And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults. I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,, Well, an honest woman! Exceptional first spanking I ever got was for lying,,,lol to this day, its very hard for me to be intentionally misleading,,,
Jeez Msharmony...the way you be tap dancing around the issues in the forum...that first spanking clearly didn't have any impact(no pun intended) no tap dancing, and the 'issues' are subjective to the person who has them and obsesses over them,,, wouldn't that be the perfect description of the prelude to a spanking ....that a person capable of inflicting pain upon their own defenseless child have issues and obsess over them nope the issues are with the person who feels 'abused' that is what makes it 'abuse' or not millions like me felt disciplined appropriately, loved, supported, and have good relations with our families many others feel 'abused' by whatever discipline they may have received, and that would go back to what 'issues' they had in their home that lead to that feeling/reaction |
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Edited by
msharmony
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And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults. I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,, Well, an honest woman! Exceptional first spanking I ever got was for lying,,,lol to this day, its very hard for me to be intentionally misleading,,,
Jeez Msharmony...the way you be tap dancing around the issues in the forum...that first spanking clearly didn't have any impact(no pun intended) no tap dancing, and the 'issues' are subjective to the person who has them and obsesses over them,,, wouldn't that be the perfect description of the prelude to a spanking ....that a person capable of inflicting pain upon their own defenseless child have issues and obsess over them nope anymore than a coach pushing kids to work through activity induced pain is a prelude to 'abuse' the issues are with the person who feels 'abused' that is what makes it 'abuse' or not millions like me felt disciplined appropriately, loved, supported, and have good relations with our families many others feel 'abused' by whatever discipline they may have received, and that would go back to what 'issues' they had in their home that lead to that feeling/reaction |
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And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults. I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,, perhaps that's why some parents tell their children to pick out the object they will be beaten with ...it's like the child is giving consent here mommy dearest...this is the belt I've picked for you to beat me with oh thank you my child...I like how easy it is to grip and swing this belt..I will take great pleasure in spanking you with it that parent has issues,, I would bet my parents never thought this and I never have either its nothing like a 'pleasure' to spank, anymore than its a 'pleasure' most days after a job to cook a meal or clean dishes,,,but its as necessary to discipline as it is to cook and clean did your parents also inflict pain on you if you didn't cook or clean their perferred way nope, that wasnt as oorporal an offense as lying,,, or blatant disobedience (telling us to do something NOW and finding hours later we still had not) so if your parents told you to clean and cook and found out hours later that you didn't....then is it ok for them to use their hand or a non-lethal object to inflict pain on you |
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Edited by
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Thu 07/19/12 11:49 AM
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nope anymore than a coach pushing kids to work through activity induced pain is a prelude to 'abuse' a coach pushing kids to work through activity that induced pain is called training ... a coach that use their hand to inflict pain upon the kids to induce them to train to a level that induce pain is called abuse the link is to a video that displays an example of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQVBJgVxyM&feature=related |
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the issues are with the person who feels 'abused' that is what makes it 'abuse' or not so after each spanking the child fills out a "Did You Feel Abused" questionnaire? |
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And another thing, I am still waiting for one of you to admit that you want a little spank play. There is nothing wrong with it, between two consenting adults. I agree. We endure all types of 'pain' in sport,,,couples can likewise decide what level of 'pain' they wish to endure,,, perhaps that's why some parents tell their children to pick out the object they will be beaten with ...it's like the child is giving consent here mommy dearest...this is the belt I've picked for you to beat me with oh thank you my child...I like how easy it is to grip and swing this belt..I will take great pleasure in spanking you with it that parent has issues,, I would bet my parents never thought this and I never have either its nothing like a 'pleasure' to spank, anymore than its a 'pleasure' most days after a job to cook a meal or clean dishes,,,but its as necessary to discipline as it is to cook and clean did your parents also inflict pain on you if you didn't cook or clean their perferred way nope, that wasnt as oorporal an offense as lying,,, or blatant disobedience (telling us to do something NOW and finding hours later we still had not) so if your parents told you to clean and cook and found out hours later that you didn't....then is it ok for them to use their hand or a non-lethal object to inflict pain on you Would depend on the circumstances. If this was just once out of the blue, then no. But if the child continuously did this even after being talked to about, then why would it be wrong? Other punishments should be done first, groundings, having things temporarily taken away, ect. But when the child just won't listen again even after multiple times of sitting down with the child talking, what else could a person do besides trying a spanking? |
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the issues are with the person who feels 'abused' that is what makes it 'abuse' or not so after each spanking the child fills out a "Did You Feel Abused" questionnaire? nope, abuse is a cumulative offense those who feel 'abused' grow up to gripe/complain/write books about it |
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Would depend on the circumstances. If this was just once out of the blue, then no. But if the child continuously did this even after being talked to about, then why would it be wrong? Other punishments should be done first, groundings, having things temporarily taken away, ect. But when the child just won't listen again even after multiple times of sitting down with the child talking, what else could a person do besides trying a spanking? Cowboy...aren't you supposedly smarter than the child?...and the only solution someone of your superior intellect can could up with is to beat the child into submissive comformity |
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the issues are with the person who feels 'abused' that is what makes it 'abuse' or not so after each spanking the child fills out a "Did You Feel Abused" questionnaire? nope, abuse is a cumulative offense which is why the child would answer a questionnaire after each spanking those who feel 'abused' grow up to gripe/complain/write books about it right MsHarmony...shame on those that write books about their delusions of being abused by their parents....clearly they should know that when parents prepetrate mental verbal or sexual things against their children...it's not abuse..it's discipline |
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Edited by
msharmony
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the issues are with the person who feels 'abused' that is what makes it 'abuse' or not so after each spanking the child fills out a "Did You Feel Abused" questionnaire? nope, abuse is a cumulative offense which is why the child would answer a questionnaire after each spanking those who feel 'abused' grow up to gripe/complain/write books about it right MsHarmony...shame on those that write books about their delusions of being abused by their parents....clearly they should know that when parents prepetrate mental verbal or sexual things against their children...it's not abuse..it's discipline you assume far too much when people are really abused they also write books, and they can write books claiming abuse when they were just disciplined and as far as the questionnaire,, what a silly notion do children who feel loved have to 'fill out a questionnaire' after every hug to say if they felt such? ,,,,but it is crazy to me, no matter how much I explain that even BEING SPANKED I feel very loved, even after explaining time and time how much I love and respect my family and how much they are there for me people want to insist (by extension) that I suffered 'abuse' while many of those who were not spanked have some pretty horrid family histories, parents they dont speak to or respect, and they feel like they are the ones who had 'non abusive' upbrginings,,,while trying to convince me that by mere fact of having been spanked,,, i must not have,,, nonsense |
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you assume far too much when people are really abused they also write books, and they can write books claiming abuse when they were just disciplined and as far as the questionnaire,, what a silly notion do children who feel loved have to 'fill out a questionnaire' after every hug to say if they felt such? ,,,,but it is crazy to me, no matter how much I explain that even BEING SPANKED I feel very loved, even after explaining time and time how much I love and respect my family and how much they are there for me people want to insist (by extension) that I suffered 'abuse' while many of those who were not spanked have some pretty horrid family histories, parents they dont speak to or respect, and they feel like they are the ones who had 'non abusive' upbrginings,,,while trying to convince me that by mere fact of having been spanked,,, i must not have,,, nonsense MsHarmony...you stated that the "issues" are with those that "feel abused" ...so how would you know if the child felt abused unless you ask them of course a parent that was in the frame of mind to beat their child isn't going to ask the child if they felt abused....which is why they need to give the child a questionnaire 1.did you feel scare and sad when mommy hits you 2.do you feel sad and scare when mommy hits you with non-lethal objects 2.do you feel sad and scare when mommy drinks and then hits you as for you not feeling abused when your parents beat you...you probably get a sense of pleasure from pain because so far your message have been that "your parents beating you makes you feel loved" |
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you assume far too much when people are really abused they also write books, and they can write books claiming abuse when they were just disciplined and as far as the questionnaire,, what a silly notion do children who feel loved have to 'fill out a questionnaire' after every hug to say if they felt such? ,,,,but it is crazy to me, no matter how much I explain that even BEING SPANKED I feel very loved, even after explaining time and time how much I love and respect my family and how much they are there for me people want to insist (by extension) that I suffered 'abuse' while many of those who were not spanked have some pretty horrid family histories, parents they dont speak to or respect, and they feel like they are the ones who had 'non abusive' upbrginings,,,while trying to convince me that by mere fact of having been spanked,,, i must not have,,, nonsense MsHarmony...you stated that the "issues" are with those that "feel abused" ...so how would you know if the child felt abused unless you ask them of course a parent that was in the frame of mind to beat their child isn't going to ask the child if they felt abused....which is why they need to give the child a questionnaire 1.did you feel scare and sad when mommy hits you 2.do you feel sad and scare when mommy hits you with non-lethal objects 2.do you feel sad and scare when mommy drinks and then hits you as for you not feeling abused when your parents beat you...you probably get a sense of pleasure from pain because so far your message have been that "your parents beating you makes you feel loved" nope my message is that having parents who took the time ti find a BALANCE between discipline, support and communication made me feel like someone gave a damn or they could have just let me do what I chose, grow up as if I had no guide or parents,and get into a much less forgiving real world to suffer THOSE consequences,,, Im glad they didnt,,,, |
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nope my message is that having parents who took the time ti find a BALANCE between discipline, support and communication made me feel like someone gave a damn or they could have just let me do what I chose, grow up as if I had no guide or parents,and get into a much less forgiving real world to suffer THOSE consequences,,, Im glad they didnt,,,, of course you made it clear that you enjoyed being beaten by your parents ...pleasure from pain but "taking time to find a balance to disciplne" would mean that your parents discussed discipline before you were conceived...so let's explore that....this would mean with the combine intelligence of both parents intermingling that the only solution they could come up with as a form of discipline is beating their child |
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Edited by
msharmony
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this is your greatest leap yet
"taking time to find a balance to disciplne" would mean that your parents discussed discipline before you were conceived..."
a 'balance' involves taking SEVERAL things and putting them in the right combination that will keep things at a level when the discussion takes place is not implied, nor does it matter nor does it require the conclusion that there is an 'only' solution. just a BEST solution based upon what else is being balanced,,,, |
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this is your greatest leap yet "taking time to find a balance to disciplne" would mean that your parents discussed discipline before you were conceived..." didn't you claim that you have siblings older than you...so hopefully discipline was discussed before you were conceived...or atleast should have... right..why should your parents waste all that time discussing other solutions beyond not beating a young MsHarmony ..and to you this is Love? a 'balance' involves taking SEVERAL things and putting them in the right combination that will keep things at a level when the discussion takes place is not implied, nor does it matter nor does it require the conclusion that there is an 'only' solution. just a BEST solution based upon what else is being balanced,,,, your family tree simply got caught up in a circle of domestic abuse...your grandparents beat your parents, your parents beat you and you beat your children ... |
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Edited by
msharmony
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this is your greatest leap yet "taking time to find a balance to disciplne" would mean that your parents discussed discipline before you were conceived..." didn't you claim that you have siblings older than you...so hopefully discipline was discussed before you were conceived...or atleast should have... right..why should your parents waste all that time discussing other solutions beyond not beating a young MsHarmony ..and to you this is Love? a 'balance' involves taking SEVERAL things and putting them in the right combination that will keep things at a level when the discussion takes place is not implied, nor does it matter nor does it require the conclusion that there is an 'only' solution. just a BEST solution based upon what else is being balanced,,,, your family tree simply got caught up in a circle of domestic abuse...your grandparents beat your parents, your parents beat you and you beat your children ... lol, yep except BEATING is illegal and spanking isnt like UNLAWFUL restraint is illegal, but time outs arent and UNLAWFUL Incarceration is, but being grounded in a bedroom isnt or other things PARENTS Have authority to do with their children that adults dont have authority to do with other adults without consent .,.....might help to start distinguishing the differences instead of continuing to lump together action with no consideration of degree, lawfulness, or intent, or results,,, |
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