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Topic: Iran vs Israel:
Bestinshow's photo
Fri 05/18/12 01:53 AM
The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.

Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.

1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement of a planned underground (to avoid being bombed) enrichment facility. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.

9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.

10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.

11. Recently revealed documents prove not only that Israel has nuclear weapos, but actually tried to sell some to Apartheid South Africa. Who else Israel approached to sell nuclear weapons remains an unasked question.

12. In 1965, Israel stole over 200-600 pounds of weapons-grade uranium from the United States.

13. Declassified documents from the former South African regime prove not only that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades, but has tried to sell them to other countries!

We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more.

Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/IranvIsrael.php

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 05/18/12 02:04 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 05/18/12 02:32 AM
yawn
Same old same old.

Then it also could be it is back in the News,because it is being discussed at a Summit,and more Negotiations are taking place!laugh

no photo
Fri 05/18/12 09:15 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 05/18/12 09:18 AM
Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.








Conrad_73's photo
Fri 05/18/12 09:24 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 05/18/12 09:30 AM

Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.








you don't read the News,do you?bigsmile
The Statements of Iran,Atomic Energy Commission and the G8?slaphead
And if Israel whacks them there ain't a thing you can do about it!
Besides,the Statement was about the readiness of the USA,NOT Israel!
The US has Contingency-Plans for nearly every Country in the World that could become belligerent toward the US!
Besides,the Opening Post is a Rehash of Stuff done on this Board over and over,just mixed with a couple new things to make it look different!laugh

mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/18/12 09:25 AM

Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.











and Iran is trustworthy? like conrad said, same-ole, same-ole....

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 05/18/12 09:38 AM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Fri 05/18/12 10:02 AM


The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.



The Corporate Media.....Murdoch..a man of integritylaugh laugh

Journalistic Whores......

Read all about it..

This is what we are told to print....

Same Old Modus Operandi..Tried and Tested...No Deviation..No New Ideas..and most of all NO BALLS




mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/18/12 09:56 AM
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty


no photo
Fri 05/18/12 10:32 AM
The Illuminati have no imagination. They just have a plan.

no photo
Fri 05/18/12 10:49 AM


Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.


you don't read the News,do you?bigsmile
The Statements of Iran,Atomic Energy Commission and the G8?slaphead
And if Israel whacks them there ain't a thing you can do about it!


If Israel "whacks" anyone they will just cry that they are only "defending themselves" (like they always do) and that will prove to the world that they are the aggressors that they claim they are not.

Israel needs to try making friends with their neighbors instead of whining about how everyone hates them and wants them destroyed. But making friends would require that they stay within their boarders and play nice, and follow the rules so they don't want to do that.


And why should I "read the news?" laugh

Most of it is B.S. if not all of it.

What I was remarking about is the idea of "negotiations" Real negotiations ain't gonna happen.

Its like when the the American government "negotiated" with the native Americans. They negotiated them onto a reservation.


Besides,the Statement was about the readiness of the USA,NOT Israel!
The US has Contingency-Plans for nearly every Country in the World that could become belligerent toward the US!
Besides,the Opening Post is a Rehash of Stuff done on this Board over and over,just mixed with a couple new things to make it look different!laugh



America has no beef with Iran. Don't send your children and grandchildren off to another pointless war for Israel.



mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/18/12 11:00 AM



Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.


you don't read the News,do you?bigsmile
The Statements of Iran,Atomic Energy Commission and the G8?slaphead
And if Israel whacks them there ain't a thing you can do about it!


If Israel "whacks" anyone they will just cry that they are only "defending themselves" (like they always do) and that will prove to the world that they are the aggressors that they claim they are not.

Israel needs to try making friends with their neighbors instead of whining about how everyone hates them and wants them destroyed. But making friends would require that they stay within their boarders and play nice, and follow the rules so they don't want to do that.


And why should I "read the news?" laugh

Most of it is B.S. if not all of it.

What I was remarking about is the idea of "negotiations" Real negotiations ain't gonna happen.

Its like when the the American government "negotiated" with the native Americans. They negotiated them onto a reservation.


Besides,the Statement was about the readiness of the USA,NOT Israel!
The US has Contingency-Plans for nearly every Country in the World that could become belligerent toward the US!
Besides,the Opening Post is a Rehash of Stuff done on this Board over and over,just mixed with a couple new things to make it look different!laugh



America has no beef with Iran. Don't send your children and grandchildren off to another pointless war for Israel.





ummm... just how do you purpose do stop them from going when they are ordered to do so? tell your children to not go? look at what happened when they evaded duty in Vietnam, prison sentences and worse... even tho there is no draft, they will put a draft in effect if kids won't sign voluntary. while i disagree that it would be a pointless war, i do think that we as a country needs to not be involved with this for a long while anyway, just to get the country back in order again...


no photo
Fri 05/18/12 11:05 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 05/18/12 11:06 AM




Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.


you don't read the News,do you?bigsmile
The Statements of Iran,Atomic Energy Commission and the G8?slaphead
And if Israel whacks them there ain't a thing you can do about it!


If Israel "whacks" anyone they will just cry that they are only "defending themselves" (like they always do) and that will prove to the world that they are the aggressors that they claim they are not.

Israel needs to try making friends with their neighbors instead of whining about how everyone hates them and wants them destroyed. But making friends would require that they stay within their boarders and play nice, and follow the rules so they don't want to do that.


And why should I "read the news?" laugh

Most of it is B.S. if not all of it.

What I was remarking about is the idea of "negotiations" Real negotiations ain't gonna happen.

Its like when the the American government "negotiated" with the native Americans. They negotiated them onto a reservation.


Besides,the Statement was about the readiness of the USA,NOT Israel!
The US has Contingency-Plans for nearly every Country in the World that could become belligerent toward the US!
Besides,the Opening Post is a Rehash of Stuff done on this Board over and over,just mixed with a couple new things to make it look different!laugh



America has no beef with Iran. Don't send your children and grandchildren off to another pointless war for Israel.





ummm... just how do you purpose do stop them from going when they are ordered to do so? tell your children to not go? look at what happened when they evaded duty in Vietnam, prison sentences and worse... even tho there is no draft, they will put a draft in effect if kids won't sign voluntary. while i disagree that it would be a pointless war, i do think that we as a country needs to not be involved with this for a long while anyway, just to get the country back in order again...




If you get the word out, and educate people, the government can't force anyone to do anything if they all refuse.

Just say NO. Tell them to say no.

It requires that people know the truth, and there is so much propaganda, false flags, and B.S. in the media, people are duped into doing just what the powers that be want them to do.

Just say no.

Stop spreading hate and stop supporting war. Just say no.





mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/18/12 11:10 AM





Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.


you don't read the News,do you?bigsmile
The Statements of Iran,Atomic Energy Commission and the G8?slaphead
And if Israel whacks them there ain't a thing you can do about it!


If Israel "whacks" anyone they will just cry that they are only "defending themselves" (like they always do) and that will prove to the world that they are the aggressors that they claim they are not.

Israel needs to try making friends with their neighbors instead of whining about how everyone hates them and wants them destroyed. But making friends would require that they stay within their boarders and play nice, and follow the rules so they don't want to do that.


And why should I "read the news?" laugh

Most of it is B.S. if not all of it.

What I was remarking about is the idea of "negotiations" Real negotiations ain't gonna happen.

Its like when the the American government "negotiated" with the native Americans. They negotiated them onto a reservation.


Besides,the Statement was about the readiness of the USA,NOT Israel!
The US has Contingency-Plans for nearly every Country in the World that could become belligerent toward the US!
Besides,the Opening Post is a Rehash of Stuff done on this Board over and over,just mixed with a couple new things to make it look different!laugh



America has no beef with Iran. Don't send your children and grandchildren off to another pointless war for Israel.





ummm... just how do you purpose do stop them from going when they are ordered to do so? tell your children to not go? look at what happened when they evaded duty in Vietnam, prison sentences and worse... even tho there is no draft, they will put a draft in effect if kids won't sign voluntary. while i disagree that it would be a pointless war, i do think that we as a country needs to not be involved with this for a long while anyway, just to get the country back in order again...




If you get the word out, and educate people, the government can't force anyone to do anything if they all refuse.

Just say NO. Tell them to say no.

It requires that people know the truth, and there is so much propaganda, false flags, and B.S. in the media, people are duped into doing just what the powers that be want them to do.

Just say no.

Stop spreading hate and stop supporting war. Just say no.






then they will force a draft, and they can't say no... maybe writing to your congress people, and flood there twitter and facebook accounts with your views... that has a better chance of working...

no photo
Fri 05/18/12 11:59 AM






Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.


you don't read the News,do you?bigsmile
The Statements of Iran,Atomic Energy Commission and the G8?slaphead
And if Israel whacks them there ain't a thing you can do about it!


If Israel "whacks" anyone they will just cry that they are only "defending themselves" (like they always do) and that will prove to the world that they are the aggressors that they claim they are not.

Israel needs to try making friends with their neighbors instead of whining about how everyone hates them and wants them destroyed. But making friends would require that they stay within their boarders and play nice, and follow the rules so they don't want to do that.


And why should I "read the news?" laugh

Most of it is B.S. if not all of it.

What I was remarking about is the idea of "negotiations" Real negotiations ain't gonna happen.

Its like when the the American government "negotiated" with the native Americans. They negotiated them onto a reservation.


Besides,the Statement was about the readiness of the USA,NOT Israel!
The US has Contingency-Plans for nearly every Country in the World that could become belligerent toward the US!
Besides,the Opening Post is a Rehash of Stuff done on this Board over and over,just mixed with a couple new things to make it look different!laugh



America has no beef with Iran. Don't send your children and grandchildren off to another pointless war for Israel.





ummm... just how do you purpose do stop them from going when they are ordered to do so? tell your children to not go? look at what happened when they evaded duty in Vietnam, prison sentences and worse... even tho there is no draft, they will put a draft in effect if kids won't sign voluntary. while i disagree that it would be a pointless war, i do think that we as a country needs to not be involved with this for a long while anyway, just to get the country back in order again...




If you get the word out, and educate people, the government can't force anyone to do anything if they all refuse.

Just say NO. Tell them to say no.

It requires that people know the truth, and there is so much propaganda, false flags, and B.S. in the media, people are duped into doing just what the powers that be want them to do.

Just say no.

Stop spreading hate and stop supporting war. Just say no.






then they will force a draft, and they can't say no... maybe writing to your congress people, and flood there twitter and facebook accounts with your views... that has a better chance of working...



Maybe, maybe not. But another black flag involving Iran will then me 'arranged' and it will get people hating again and they, like moths to a flame, will run off to war.

People need to know the truth.

Do you really think writing to my congressmen and women will have an effect?


mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/18/12 12:20 PM







Negotiations ? Really? That's a laugh. No really. It's a gas!

There are no real negotiations. There is only a gathering of information and the making of back room deals.

When there is no trust, and no reason to trust because of being betrayed and lied to for so long, there will be no negotiations.

Israel can't be trusted. It's not smart for anyone to try to negotiate with them.

I don't know who they think they are fooling.


you don't read the News,do you?bigsmile
The Statements of Iran,Atomic Energy Commission and the G8?slaphead
And if Israel whacks them there ain't a thing you can do about it!


If Israel "whacks" anyone they will just cry that they are only "defending themselves" (like they always do) and that will prove to the world that they are the aggressors that they claim they are not.

Israel needs to try making friends with their neighbors instead of whining about how everyone hates them and wants them destroyed. But making friends would require that they stay within their boarders and play nice, and follow the rules so they don't want to do that.


And why should I "read the news?" laugh

Most of it is B.S. if not all of it.

What I was remarking about is the idea of "negotiations" Real negotiations ain't gonna happen.

Its like when the the American government "negotiated" with the native Americans. They negotiated them onto a reservation.


Besides,the Statement was about the readiness of the USA,NOT Israel!
The US has Contingency-Plans for nearly every Country in the World that could become belligerent toward the US!
Besides,the Opening Post is a Rehash of Stuff done on this Board over and over,just mixed with a couple new things to make it look different!laugh



America has no beef with Iran. Don't send your children and grandchildren off to another pointless war for Israel.





ummm... just how do you purpose do stop them from going when they are ordered to do so? tell your children to not go? look at what happened when they evaded duty in Vietnam, prison sentences and worse... even tho there is no draft, they will put a draft in effect if kids won't sign voluntary. while i disagree that it would be a pointless war, i do think that we as a country needs to not be involved with this for a long while anyway, just to get the country back in order again...




If you get the word out, and educate people, the government can't force anyone to do anything if they all refuse.

Just say NO. Tell them to say no.

It requires that people know the truth, and there is so much propaganda, false flags, and B.S. in the media, people are duped into doing just what the powers that be want them to do.

Just say no.

Stop spreading hate and stop supporting war. Just say no.






then they will force a draft, and they can't say no... maybe writing to your congress people, and flood there twitter and facebook accounts with your views... that has a better chance of working...



Maybe, maybe not. But another black flag involving Iran will then me 'arranged' and it will get people hating again and they, like moths to a flame, will run off to war.

People need to know the truth.

Do you really think writing to my congressmen and women will have an effect?




you and millions of others... they can't hide it if it's on an open, public forum about it

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 05/18/12 12:30 PM
The Focus is on Iran because they will not bow down to Israel who are supported by the US.

If Iran holds fast then then The Zionists will not be able to continue with the ethnic cleansing of Palestine which has been going on for over 65 years.


s1owhand's photo
Fri 05/18/12 12:35 PM
Iran is the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism - actively killing
thousands of innocent people and tyrannically abusing their own citizens.

Israel is a free democratic society which honors and respects all
religions with a thriving economy and culture. Israel does not
attack others unless directly threatened and when they do defend
themselves they do it with a minimum of required force and do their
best to prevent civilian injuries.

Iran signs the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and then digs underground
bunkers to illegally enrich uranium in violation of their international
agreements and they threaten Israel and the U.S. with genocide openly.

The case of Iran vs Israel is pretty clear actually.

Read more about it here:

In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran
has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central
banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through
Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and
we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq."

http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362#p2

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 05/18/12 12:41 PM



Israel is a free democratic society which honors and respects all
religions with a thriving economy and culture. Israel does not
attack others unless directly threatened and when they do defend
themselves they do it with a minimum of required force and do their
best to prevent civilian injuries.





Dec/Jan 2008/2009

23 days of continuous bombing by american supplied F16s

1400 Murdered...vast majority women and children

mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/18/12 12:50 PM




Israel is a free democratic society which honors and respects all
religions with a thriving economy and culture. Israel does not
attack others unless directly threatened and when they do defend
themselves they do it with a minimum of required force and do their
best to prevent civilian injuries.





Dec/Jan 2008/2009

23 days of continuous bombing by american supplied F16s

1400 Murdered...vast majority women and children


only posting half of what was going on again i see... typical liberal move... why didn't you talk about the consistent shelling by Hezbollah for 6 months before that, while they (Hezbollah) was breaking a peace treaty, which they have broken every time they have one? i guess you "forgot" about that side of it.... and, they were not shelling military forces, they were shelling peoples homes, killing entire families...

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 05/18/12 12:58 PM





Israel is a free democratic society which honors and respects all
religions with a thriving economy and culture. Israel does not
attack others unless directly threatened and when they do defend
themselves they do it with a minimum of required force and do their
best to prevent civilian injuries.





Dec/Jan 2008/2009

23 days of continuous bombing by american supplied F16s

1400 Murdered...vast majority women and children


only posting half of what was going on again i see... typical liberal move... why didn't you talk about the consistent shelling by Hezbollah for 6 months before that, while they (Hezbollah) was breaking a peace treaty, which they have broken every time they have one? i guess you "forgot" about that side of it.... and, they were not shelling military forces, they were shelling peoples homes, killing entire families...



(Hezbollah)???????

mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/18/12 01:01 PM






Israel is a free democratic society which honors and respects all
religions with a thriving economy and culture. Israel does not
attack others unless directly threatened and when they do defend
themselves they do it with a minimum of required force and do their
best to prevent civilian injuries.





Dec/Jan 2008/2009

23 days of continuous bombing by american supplied F16s

1400 Murdered...vast majority women and children


only posting half of what was going on again i see... typical liberal move... why didn't you talk about the consistent shelling by Hezbollah for 6 months before that, while they (Hezbollah) was breaking a peace treaty, which they have broken every time they have one? i guess you "forgot" about that side of it.... and, they were not shelling military forces, they were shelling peoples homes, killing entire families...



(Hezbollah)???????


oops, my bad... i meant Hamas...

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