IRAN ANNOUNCES ONCE AGAIN THAT IT PLANS TO FULLY ANNIHILATE ISRAEL - There are those who stand up for Iran, saying that they never said they would "wipe Israel" off the map. Well, for those who doubt Iran's plan to destroy our ally yesterday Iran made it clear that they are dedicated to annihilating Israel, the Islamic regime’s military chief of staff declared Sunday. “The Iranian nation is standi...ng for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel,” Maj. Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi said in a speech to a defense gathering Sunday in Tehran.

Did they say why they want to "annihilate" Israel?

does it matter what reason those Nutters have?

Did the Republic of Iran state that Israel "Must be wiped off the map." or were they talking about the Zionist Regime?

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Here is one of your favorite sources, Wikipedia:


Translation controversy

Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

The Iranian presidential website stated that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."[10]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[11]

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[12] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."[13] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[14] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[15]

None of these translations, however, are entirely accurate. First, they downplay the significance of the introductory, main sentence, to which the controversial statement "eliminated from the pages of history" is subordinate. In his speech, Ahmadinejad introduced the theme of Israel's elimination by saying 'Imam-e aziz-e-ma farmoudand ke...', which means, 'Our dear Imam commanded that...' In other words, he introduced the exhortation to eliminate Israel by referring to the religious authority of Ayatollah Khomeini as well as the many statements, speeches and comments Khomeini made over the years about Israel. Secondly, the phrase 'bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad' means more than the passive, and slightly ambiguous 'must be eliminated from the pages of history.' It more literally translates into: 'it is necessary (or 'it is imperative') that it be eliminated from the pages of history.' Once one puts the entire sentence together, it thus reads: 'Our dear Imam commanded that it is necessary that the regime of occupation of Jerusalem be eliminated from the pages of history.'

The use of a passive verb is akin to the famous passive form used by Cato the Elder, to call for the destruction of Rome's archenemy, Carthage: Delenda Cartago. The latin passive was nevertheless clear in its meaning - Cato wished to exhort the citizens and leaders of Republican Rome to destroy Carthage - which they eventually did [16].

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[17][18][19]

Did the Republic of Iran state that Israel "Must be wiped off the map." or were they talking about the Zionist Regime?

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Here is one of your favorite sources, Wikipedia:


Translation controversy

Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

The Iranian presidential website stated that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."[10]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[11]

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[12] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."[13] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[14] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[15]

None of these translations, however, are entirely accurate. First, they downplay the significance of the introductory, main sentence, to which the controversial statement "eliminated from the pages of history" is subordinate. In his speech, Ahmadinejad introduced the theme of Israel's elimination by saying 'Imam-e aziz-e-ma farmoudand ke...', which means, 'Our dear Imam commanded that...' In other words, he introduced the exhortation to eliminate Israel by referring to the religious authority of Ayatollah Khomeini as well as the many statements, speeches and comments Khomeini made over the years about Israel. Secondly, the phrase 'bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad' means more than the passive, and slightly ambiguous 'must be eliminated from the pages of history.' It more literally translates into: 'it is necessary (or 'it is imperative') that it be eliminated from the pages of history.' Once one puts the entire sentence together, it thus reads: 'Our dear Imam commanded that it is necessary that the regime of occupation of Jerusalem be eliminated from the pages of history.'

The use of a passive verb is akin to the famous passive form used by Cato the Elder, to call for the destruction of Rome's archenemy, Carthage: Delenda Cartago. The latin passive was nevertheless clear in its meaning - Cato wished to exhort the citizens and leaders of Republican Rome to destroy Carthage - which they eventually did [16].

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[17][18][19]

Did the Republic of Iran state that Israel "Must be wiped off the map." or were they talking about the Zionist Regime?

****

Here is one of your favorite sources, Wikipedia:


Translation controversy

Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

The Iranian presidential website stated that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."[10]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[11]

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[12] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."[13] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[14] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[15]

None of these translations, however, are entirely accurate. First, they downplay the significance of the introductory, main sentence, to which the controversial statement "eliminated from the pages of history" is subordinate. In his speech, Ahmadinejad introduced the theme of Israel's elimination by saying 'Imam-e aziz-e-ma farmoudand ke...', which means, 'Our dear Imam commanded that...' In other words, he introduced the exhortation to eliminate Israel by referring to the religious authority of Ayatollah Khomeini as well as the many statements, speeches and comments Khomeini made over the years about Israel. Secondly, the phrase 'bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad' means more than the passive, and slightly ambiguous 'must be eliminated from the pages of history.' It more literally translates into: 'it is necessary (or 'it is imperative') that it be eliminated from the pages of history.' Once one puts the entire sentence together, it thus reads: 'Our dear Imam commanded that it is necessary that the regime of occupation of Jerusalem be eliminated from the pages of history.'

The use of a passive verb is akin to the famous passive form used by Cato the Elder, to call for the destruction of Rome's archenemy, Carthage: Delenda Cartago. The latin passive was nevertheless clear in its meaning - Cato wished to exhort the citizens and leaders of Republican Rome to destroy Carthage - which they eventually did [16].

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[17][18][19]

"Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem"



No one said they were going to blow up the LAND...
Iran says (and Norouzzi agrees) he meant blow up the PEOPLE

The PEOPLE of the regime of the land of Israel are the JEWS who
live there. Ahmadinejad said he wants to wipe JEWS off the face
of the map.

They can dance around the head of a pin all they want. It is what
they believe. They have threatened it often and they have to be
taken seriously even if they are nutballs. Crazed religious
fundamentalists who seek end of days apocalypse and threaten to
commit genocide must never be permitted to have nuclear weapons.

See the documentary Iranium for example...

http://youtu.be/mXRXnmsvwRQ

Unless you can prove to me that all Jews are Zionists and that all Jews are involved in the Zionists regime then you are wrong.

If you can get every Jew or every person who claims to be a Jew to say that they support Zionism and are part of the Zionist regime, then you are blowing smoke.

Is that what you are claiming? That all Jews are Zionists?

Prove it.

whats that got to do with killing all the jews in Israel?

Nobody threatened to kill all the Jews in Israel.

Mahmoud doesn't look he is running scared


Ahead of upcoming nuclear talks,
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
downplayed the threat Israel poses to Iran,
comparing it to an annoying bug.
"Israel is nothing more than a mosquito
which cannot see the broad horizon of the Iranian nation,
" he said Saturday in northeastern Iran's Khorassan province,
according to the semi-official Fars news agency.

your the one who posted that Iran said it...

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem".

No, that was slowhand.

I posted stuff from wikipedia about how that claim was wrong, and just mistranslated.

Iran said they want to put an end to the Zionist regime.
You really need to read the posts more carefully.

YOU just said it AGAIN!



Arash Norouzi is quoted as saying that the correct interpretation is
that Iran wants the regime occupying Jerusalem wiped off the map he
is talking about the Jews in Israel!



That goes right to my point. No matter how you interpret it, it is
a threat of genocide. And of course there are many other incidents
of the leaders of Iran and their proxies Hezbollah and Hamas exhorting
crowds for "Death to America. Death to Israel."

At least they are consistent however you translate "wiping Israel
off the face of the map"...



Hooo Boy!

A Zionist regime does not translate as "Jews."

That's just like saying that all republicans are conservative white protestants.

your just trying to slide by the fact that iran has big issues with Israel, as well all the muslim dominated countries there...