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Topic: NIST says WTC building # 7 collapse caused by fire.
metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Thu 04/19/12 09:03 AM
so how much money do you really want the government to pay for all this investigation? i mean 12 years later and nothing has came up to think about wasting any more money and time on this. maybe you truthers should pull your money togther and start paying to have your own investigation on it, since your the only ones to see all this super-secret evidence you keep talking about.... You are forgetting that the alien spacecraft with the building destruction beams had invisibility cloaks. No one could see them. the one that turns everything to dust? i think the reptilians built it using moonbeams and positronic deliption device... I hear the owners of the patent of the positronic deliption also make Rustoleum.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 04/19/12 09:05 AM
so how much money do you really want the government to pay for all this investigation? i mean 12 years later and nothing has came up to think about wasting any more money and time on this. maybe you truthers should pull your money togther and start paying to have your own investigation on it, since your the only ones to see all this super-secret evidence you keep talking about.... Is it really that expensive? They could just mine some more unobtainium from Pandora.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 04/19/12 09:42 AM
so how much money do you really want the government to pay for all this investigation? i mean 12 years later and nothing has came up to think about wasting any more money and time on this. maybe you truthers should pull your money togther and start paying to have your own investigation on it, since your the only ones to see all this super-secret evidence you keep talking about.... Is it really that expensive? They could just mine some more unobtainable from Pandora. unobtainium is highly valued, it powers the mind control machines...

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 11:09 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 04/19/12 11:11 AM
It is very possible that some type of new weapon has been developed and is being tested by the military that involves Nano-thermite. It could be one of those "top secret" "classified" things that you keep hearing about. Even Wikipedia says this: Potential uses for Nano-thermite Historically, pyrotechnic or explosive applications for traditional thermites have been limited due to their relatively slow energy release rates. Because nanothermites are created from reactant particles with proximities approaching the atomic scale, energy release rates are far greater.[2] MICs or Super-thermites are generally developed for military use, propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics. Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s.[3] Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being studied by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs several times more powerful than conventional explosives. Nanoenergetic materials can store more energy than conventional energetic materials and can be used in innovative ways to tailor the release of this energy. Thermobaric weapons are one potential application of nanoenergetic materials.[5] And as I already provided a paper written by a masters in chemical engineering stating that nano thermite is non explosive on its own. I have never claimed that nano thermite is explosive ON ITS OWN. But it was found in the dust of WTC. Explain that. All I have ever done is quote things I have read about it. Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s.[3] Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being studied by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs several times more powerful than conventional explosives.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 11:19 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 04/19/12 11:20 AM
To ignore the fact that the twin towers could not possibly have fallen one floor on top of another and left so little debris at the footprint is simply idiotic. And yet you think a demolition would have any less debris? Oh please wise one explain how a demolition would have less debris. You obviously are not grasping what I am saying. The explanation of how the twin towers (1 and 2) fell was "a pancake collapse," one floor on top of another. If that were really the case, there would have been a pile of rubble at least 1/8 of the building height. And yet there wasn't. The pile of rubble from the towers was only 2% of the original building height. The building turned into dust. There was dust all over, inches deep, all over the streets and finer particles of dust flew up into the atmosphere and spread for miles and miles. Normal controlled demolitions do not behave like that. Pancake collapses do not behave like that. Based on what? Based on a truther website on by some one with at least a masters in engineering/ physics? From all the scientific data I have seen what you are saying is false. Also the building didn't fall 100% on top of it self. It is spread out over an area or it couldn't have destroyed some of the other nearby buildings like it did. Based on FACTS. Based on observation. BASED ON COMMON SENSE. The official explanation of HOW the building fell was a pancake collapse. You are right, the building didn't fall 100% on top of itself. I never said it did. But if it had been a pancake collapse there would have been a huge pile of rubble at the foot of the building. That is was "spread all over an area, suggests an explosion. Hell, the pictures suggest an explosion. This is not a "pancake collapse." LOOK HOW TALL THESE BUILDINGS WERE COMPARED TO OTHER BUILDINGS!! THEY ARE MASSIVE! LOOK AT THE EXPLOSION. Where are the floors collapsing on each other? They are not there! LOOK AT HOW MUCH RUBBLE WAS LEFT..... 2% Compared to a normal pancake collapse:

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 11:36 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 04/19/12 11:39 AM
so how much money do you really want the government to pay for all this investigation? i mean 12 years later and nothing has came up to think about wasting any more money and time on this. maybe you truthers should pull your money togther and start paying to have your own investigation on it, since your the only ones to see all this super-secret evidence you keep talking about.... Mighty Moe I'm really growing tired of people using the term "truthers" as if it is some derogatory term. Wanting and demanding and looking for the TRUTH is a good thing. People who prefer to believe big government lies seem to hate the truth and they hate the people who will not bow down to the official bull crap being fed to the public day in and day out. I don't want "the government" to pay anything to itself to investigate itself. That's a big waste of money. So what if it is 12 years later?? If you killed a bunch of people do you think the statue of limitations is in effect after 12 years? There is no statute of limitations on MURDER. The government has not proven anything and they have not allowed the people to see the evidence. They have only made accusations and they claim to know who did it, -- but they are lying. They are actually setting it up to blame someone else... a non-existent organization called al-Qaeda created by the CIA. The Bush-Cheney administration is most likely only the tip of the iceberg of this world criminal organization. This is not "paranoia." This is a fact IMO. Your statement above is wrought with an attitude of apathy. You would rather just let it go and continue to live your life within the system of criminals and blindly believe whatever they tell you. You don't want the truth. That's fine. But you are making a mistake defending them. I am aware that there is no one who can police a world when the world is run by the bad guys. But I damn sure am not going to defend them.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Thu 04/19/12 11:43 AM
Known fact in show business. "It is possible for an intelligent actor to play someone stupid." "It is impossible for a stupid actor to play someone intelligent."

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Thu 04/19/12 11:49 AM
so how much money do you really want the government to pay for all this investigation? i mean 12 years later and nothing has came up to think about wasting any more money and time on this. maybe you truthers should pull your money togther and start paying to have your own investigation on it, since your the only ones to see all this super-secret evidence you keep talking about.... Mighty Moe I'm really growing tired of people using the term "truthers" as if it is some derogatory term. Wanting and demanding and looking for the TRUTH is a good thing. People who prefer to believe big government lies seem to hate the truth and they hate the people who will not bow down to the official bull crap being fed to the public day in and day out. I don't want "the government" to pay anything to itself to investigate itself. That's a big waste of money. So what if it is 12 years later?? If you killed a bunch of people do you think the statue of limitations is in effect after 12 years? There is no statute of limitations on MURDER. The government has not proven anything and they have not allowed the people to see the evidence. They have only made accusations and they claim to know who did it, -- but they are lying. They are actually setting it up to blame someone else... a non-existent organization called al-Qaeda created by the CIA. The Bush-Cheney administration is most likely only the tip of the iceberg of this world criminal organization. This is not "paranoia." This is a fact IMO. Your statement above is wrought with an attitude of apathy. You would rather just let it go and continue to live your life within the system of criminals and blindly believe whatever they tell you. You don't want the truth. That's fine. But you are making a mistake defending them. I am aware that there is no one who can police a world when the world is run by the bad guys. But I damn sure am not going to defend them. As far as I can see people are defending scientific evidence, not people.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 04/19/12 11:51 AM
Actually bank thermite was not found. Metal oxides they are in thermite were found but those are found in other things as well. I saved a forum post by a chemist eh does a chemical analysis proving there was no thermite used in any explosion if you want. Have to wait until I get home.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 04/19/12 11:53 AM
No being spread over an area does not suggest an explosion. It suggests uneven loads which is what you would expect I a structural failure.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Thu 04/19/12 11:53 AM
But the comment pertained specifically to the "truthers". The augments used by truthers lack any scientific basis, mostly because they don't know any and don't understand any if they read it. They do not know what their arguments look like to the people who understand the topic because they don't understand the topic. The comment is to the point. You just don't understand the point.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 11:54 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 04/19/12 12:00 PM
so how much money do you really want the government to pay for all this investigation? i mean 12 years later and nothing has came up to think about wasting any more money and time on this. maybe you truthers should pull your money togther and start paying to have your own investigation on it, since your the only ones to see all this super-secret evidence you keep talking about.... Mighty Moe I'm really growing tired of people using the term "truthers" as if it is some derogatory term. Wanting and demanding and looking for the TRUTH is a good thing. People who prefer to believe big government lies seem to hate the truth and they hate the people who will not bow down to the official bull crap being fed to the public day in and day out. I don't want "the government" to pay anything to itself to investigate itself. That's a big waste of money. So what if it is 12 years later?? If you killed a bunch of people do you think the statue of limitations is in effect after 12 years? There is no statute of limitations on MURDER. The government has not proven anything and they have not allowed the people to see the evidence. They have only made accusations and they claim to know who did it, -- but they are lying. They are actually setting it up to blame someone else... a non-existent organization called al-Qaeda created by the CIA. The Bush-Cheney administration is most likely only the tip of the iceberg of this world criminal organization. This is not "paranoia." This is a fact IMO. Your statement above is wrought with an attitude of apathy. You would rather just let it go and continue to live your life within the system of criminals and blindly believe whatever they tell you. You don't want the truth. That's fine. But you are making a mistake defending them. I am aware that there is no one who can police a world when the world is run by the bad guys. But I damn sure am not going to defend them. As far as I can see people are defending scientific evidence, not people. They do not look at any evidence. The 9/11 commission and NIST were not allowed to see all pertinent evidence. The public at large are NOT ALLOWED TO SEE OR EXAMINE ANY EVIDENCE. There is no evidence to defend. There are only approved reports made and released by the Bush-Cheney administration. The Bush-Cheney administration are suspects. Other evidences collected by so-named "truthers" which includes many engineers and scientific professionals, are ignored by these people who insist on defending the official reports from the suspects, Bush-Cheney administration.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 11:59 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 04/19/12 11:59 AM
It is hard to tell what your comments pertain to. It was still off topic and sarcastic. There are many scientific professionals and engineers, that are in the category you call "truthers" who do not agree with the official version of 9/11 therefore you statement above is a generalization and specifically YOUR personal opinion.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 04/19/12 12:10 PM
By many are you referring to the less than .1% that are in the group?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 04/19/12 12:15 PM
so how much money do you really want the government to pay for all this investigation? i mean 12 years later and nothing has came up to think about wasting any more money and time on this. maybe you truthers should pull your money togther and start paying to have your own investigation on it, since your the only ones to see all this super-secret evidence you keep talking about.... Mighty Moe I'm really growing tired of people using the term "truthers" as if it is some derogatory term. Wanting and demanding and looking for the TRUTH is a good thing. People who prefer to believe big government lies seem to hate the truth and they hate the people who will not bow down to the official bull crap being fed to the public day in and day out. I don't want "the government" to pay anything to itself to investigate itself. That's a big waste of money. So what if it is 12 years later?? If you killed a bunch of people do you think the statue of limitations is in effect after 12 years? There is no statute of limitations on MURDER. The government has not proven anything and they have not allowed the people to see the evidence. They have only made accusations and they claim to know who did it, -- but they are lying. They are actually setting it up to blame someone else... a non-existent organization called al-Qaeda created by the CIA. The Bush-Cheney administration is most likely only the tip of the iceberg of this world criminal organization. This is not "paranoia." This is a fact IMO. Your statement above is wrought with an attitude of apathy. You would rather just let it go and continue to live your life within the system of criminals and blindly believe whatever they tell you. You don't want the truth. That's fine. But you are making a mistake defending them. I am aware that there is no one who can police a world when the world is run by the bad guys. But I damn sure am not going to defend them. As far as I can see people are defending scientific evidence, not people. They do not look at any evidence. The 9/11 commission and NIST were not allowed to see all pertinent evidence. The public at large are NOT ALLOWED TO SEE OR EXAMINE ANY EVIDENCE. There is no evidence to defend. There are only approved reports made and released by the Bush-Cheney administration. The Bush-Cheney administration are suspects. Other evidences collected by so-named "truthers" which includes many engineers and scientific professionals, are ignored by these people who insist on defending the official reports from the suspects, Bush-Cheney administration. Regardless,the Physics tell an other Tale! Look at the Physics,not whether you think GWB and Cheney are Suspects! That's subjective,and has nothing to do with the Fact that neither Building could have been brought down with explosives!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 12:16 PM
Actually bank thermite was not found. Metal oxides they are in thermite were found but those are found in other things as well. I saved a forum post by a chemist eh does a chemical analysis proving there was no thermite used in any explosion if you want. Have to wait until I get home. I am aware of the two sides to the nano-thermite debate. I don't know what caused the towers to fall. I have no personal theory. What I do know is that I don't believe the official account.... in the slightest.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 12:18 PM
"A look at the physics" does NOT support the official story. Sorry.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 04/19/12 12:18 PM
To ignore the fact that the twin towers could not possibly have fallen one floor on top of another and left so little debris at the footprint is simply idiotic. And yet you think a demolition would have any less debris? Oh please wise one explain how a demolition would have less debris. You obviously are not grasping what I am saying. The explanation of how the twin towers (1 and 2) fell was "a pancake collapse," one floor on top of another. If that were really the case, there would have been a pile of rubble at least 1/8 of the building height. And yet there wasn't. The pile of rubble from the towers was only 2% of the original building height. The building turned into dust. There was dust all over, inches deep, all over the streets and finer particles of dust flew up into the atmosphere and spread for miles and miles. Normal controlled demolitions do not behave like that. Pancake collapses do not behave like that. Based on what? Based on a truther website on by some one with at least a masters in engineering/ physics? From all the scientific data I have seen what you are saying is false. Also the building didn't fall 100% on top of it self. It is spread out over an area or it couldn't have destroyed some of the other nearby buildings like it did. Based on FACTS. Based on observation. BASED ON COMMON SENSE. The official explanation of HOW the building fell was a pancake collapse. You are right, the building didn't fall 100% on top of itself. I never said it did. But if it had been a pancake collapse there would have been a huge pile of rubble at the foot of the building. That is was "spread all over an area, suggests an explosion. Hell, the pictures suggest an explosion. This is not a "pancake collapse." LOOK HOW TALL THESE BUILDINGS WERE COMPARED TO OTHER BUILDINGS!! THEY ARE MASSIVE! LOOK AT THE EXPLOSION. Where are the floors collapsing on each other? They are not there! LOOK AT HOW MUCH RUBBLE WAS LEFT..... 2% Compared to a normal pancake collapse: yep,poof,right down into the Parking Garage and sundry Underground Structures!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 04/19/12 12:20 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 04/19/12 12:21 PM
By many are you referring to the less than .1% that are in the group? I don't know where you are getting your percentages, but no I'm not referring to any percentages. If you have some credible facts about percentages of who are "for and against" the official 9/11 story, I'd be glad to look at them.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 04/19/12 01:06 PM
By many are you referring to the less than .1% that are in the group? I don't know where you are getting your percentages, but no I'm not referring to any percentages. If you have some credible facts about percentages of who are "for and against" the official 9/11 story, I'd be glad to look at them. 1500 architects and engineers on that for truth site. Not sure what its called. Over 1.5 million working engineers I the US. This doesn't count the number of professors,retired engineers, or architects.