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They are not talking detection from security but detection from anyone in the building. Not to mention there were no cascading explosions thus your point is moot. There could be no demolition explosives if there were no demolition like explosions preceeding the colapse. I love how you guys keep ignoring this fact. And debunked it was! So now they have to hold on to the little Piece of Straw,in the hope if they repeat the Mantra long enough,their wish will become Fact,and there miraculously are Explosives,where there weren't any before! Time now for HAARP and other TESLA-Weapons! 
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They are not talking detection from security but detection from anyone in the building. Not to mention there were no cascading explosions thus your point is moot. There could be no demolition explosives if there were no demolition like explosions preceeding the colapse. I love how you guys keep ignoring this fact. Oh but there were explosions preceding the collapse and there were dozens of witnesses to that, some of them were injured before the collapse. You have not really done any research on these things at all. You have turned a blind eye to credible witnesses, and qualified professionals simply because you want to believe what you want to believe. You can't handle the truth. Your point is moot. They type of cascading (key word) explosions that would be present for a demolition would be so loud they would be in every single video of the collapses that have audio. Yet every single video has no cascading explosions prior to collapse. Sure there were internal collapses the made explosion like sounds that could be heard near the building. Cascading explosions loud enough to be from actual bombs were not heard. |
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never heard of marvin bush... why did you say jeb? he didn't have anything to do with this.... He was involved with the whole thing. The so-called hi-jackers spent most of their time in Florida, which is something the official report fails to elaborate on. The Bush Cartel are into smuggling drugs and also guns. They are a criminal organization, a family, who totally work together. For details on the Florida criminal connection to 9/11s, go to madcowprod.com. http://www.madcowprod.com/05022005.html no, they didn't fail to mention that... thats where the terrorists learned to fly... oh, a family affair... if anything your saying is true, then why have 2 members of the bush family been elected president then? i guess they are good at keeping things secret, huh... |
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Was the planting of explosives possible? NIST argues that RDX material could not have been deployed without detection. There are at least two problems with this statement. It presupposes that the people in charge of security at WTC 7 would necessarily have been concerned to prevent explosives from being planted. AND The NIST report fails to mention that the security firm for WTC 7, as for WTC 1 and 2 also, Called Securacom (later called Stratesec) had connections to George W. Bush..., which may have made it possible for agents of our government to place explosives in the buildings and escape "detection." The connections to which Staelin alluded were close one: Marvin Bush, one of the president's brothers, had been one of Securacom's principals in the 1990's, during which the fireproofing upgrades to bementioned below were made, and Wirt Walker III, kone jof jthe Bush brothers' cousins, was the CEO through 2001 (and hence on 9/11 itself.) NIST ignores facts. Although the point made by Staeliln was an important one, NIST IGNORED IT. In putting out its final Report in November 2008, NIST simply repeats the statement in question, as if Staelin's comment had never been received. Another interesting fact: The security at the three airports where the departing planes left from also had connections to the Bush family. I suppose the bomb sniffing dogs that roamed the building with their port authority police handlers missed the tons of explosives planted in the 90's.. That's a good one.. no, apparently, there was a bush brother at every airport, and cousins that were everywhere else. they would no problem putting a bush inside the dog sniffers core. it makes perfect sense, so it must be true... There was a Bush planting the explosives at the WTC. A Bush firing the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon.. One planting the explosives at WTC-7 and at least another 20 or so working security at 3 airports.. That is a lot of Bush.. |
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Was the planting of explosives possible? NIST argues that RDX material could not have been deployed without detection. There are at least two problems with this statement. It presupposes that the people in charge of security at WTC 7 would necessarily have been concerned to prevent explosives from being planted. AND The NIST report fails to mention that the security firm for WTC 7, as for WTC 1 and 2 also, Called Securacom (later called Stratesec) had connections to George W. Bush..., which may have made it possible for agents of our government to place explosives in the buildings and escape "detection." The connections to which Staelin alluded were close one: Marvin Bush, one of the president's brothers, had been one of Securacom's principals in the 1990's, during which the fireproofing upgrades to bementioned below were made, and Wirt Walker III, kone jof jthe Bush brothers' cousins, was the CEO through 2001 (and hence on 9/11 itself.) NIST ignores facts. Although the point made by Staeliln was an important one, NIST IGNORED IT. In putting out its final Report in November 2008, NIST simply repeats the statement in question, as if Staelin's comment had never been received. Another interesting fact: The security at the three airports where the departing planes left from also had connections to the Bush family. I suppose the bomb sniffing dogs that roamed the building with their port authority police handlers missed the tons of explosives planted in the 90's.. That's a good one.. no, apparently, there was a bush brother at every airport, and cousins that were everywhere else. they would no problem putting a bush inside the dog sniffers core. it makes perfect sense, so it must be true... There was a Bush planting the explosives at the WTC. A Bush firing the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon.. One planting the explosives at WTC-7 and at least another 20 or so working security at 3 airports.. That is a lot of Bush.. and jeb taught the terrorist how to fly... they were buddies |
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Was the planting of explosives possible? NIST argues that RDX material could not have been deployed without detection. There are at least two problems with this statement. It presupposes that the people in charge of security at WTC 7 would necessarily have been concerned to prevent explosives from being planted. AND The NIST report fails to mention that the security firm for WTC 7, as for WTC 1 and 2 also, Called Securacom (later called Stratesec) had connections to George W. Bush..., which may have made it possible for agents of our government to place explosives in the buildings and escape "detection." The connections to which Staelin alluded were close one: Marvin Bush, one of the president's brothers, had been one of Securacom's principals in the 1990's, during which the fireproofing upgrades to bementioned below were made, and Wirt Walker III, kone jof jthe Bush brothers' cousins, was the CEO through 2001 (and hence on 9/11 itself.) NIST ignores facts. Although the point made by Staeliln was an important one, NIST IGNORED IT. In putting out its final Report in November 2008, NIST simply repeats the statement in question, as if Staelin's comment had never been received. Another interesting fact: The security at the three airports where the departing planes left from also had connections to the Bush family. I suppose the bomb sniffing dogs that roamed the building with their port authority police handlers missed the tons of explosives planted in the 90's.. That's a good one.. no, apparently, there was a bush brother at every airport, and cousins that were everywhere else. they would no problem putting a bush inside the dog sniffers core. it makes perfect sense, so it must be true... There was a Bush planting the explosives at the WTC. A Bush firing the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon.. One planting the explosives at WTC-7 and at least another 20 or so working security at 3 airports.. That is a lot of Bush.. and jeb taught the terrorist how to fly... they were buddies Jeb taught them.. HUH... I figured that would have been daddy Bush since he flew during ww2 and crashed his plane.. Obviously a connection there.. You can't overlook the BUSH that crashed his plane and the terrorists that crashed their planes.. PLus GW was a national guard pilot.. I am quite sure there has to be another connection there.. I can see how people put this stuff together.. It all makes sense now.. |
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Was the planting of explosives possible? NIST argues that RDX material could not have been deployed without detection. There are at least two problems with this statement. It presupposes that the people in charge of security at WTC 7 would necessarily have been concerned to prevent explosives from being planted. AND The NIST report fails to mention that the security firm for WTC 7, as for WTC 1 and 2 also, Called Securacom (later called Stratesec) had connections to George W. Bush..., which may have made it possible for agents of our government to place explosives in the buildings and escape "detection." The connections to which Staelin alluded were close one: Marvin Bush, one of the president's brothers, had been one of Securacom's principals in the 1990's, during which the fireproofing upgrades to bementioned below were made, and Wirt Walker III, kone jof jthe Bush brothers' cousins, was the CEO through 2001 (and hence on 9/11 itself.) NIST ignores facts. Although the point made by Staeliln was an important one, NIST IGNORED IT. In putting out its final Report in November 2008, NIST simply repeats the statement in question, as if Staelin's comment had never been received. Another interesting fact: The security at the three airports where the departing planes left from also had connections to the Bush family. I suppose the bomb sniffing dogs that roamed the building with their port authority police handlers missed the tons of explosives planted in the 90's.. That's a good one.. no, apparently, there was a bush brother at every airport, and cousins that were everywhere else. they would no problem putting a bush inside the dog sniffers core. it makes perfect sense, so it must be true... There was a Bush planting the explosives at the WTC. A Bush firing the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon.. One planting the explosives at WTC-7 and at least another 20 or so working security at 3 airports.. That is a lot of Bush.. and jeb taught the terrorist how to fly... they were buddies Jeb taught them.. HUH... I figured that would have been daddy Bush since he flew during ww2 and crashed his plane.. Obviously a connection there.. You can't overlook the BUSH that crashed his plane and the terrorists that crashed their planes.. PLus GW was a national guard pilot.. I am quite sure there has to be another connection there.. I can see how people put this stuff together.. It all makes sense now.. that should keep the truthers busy for a few years... |
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Was the planting of explosives possible? NIST argues that RDX material could not have been deployed without detection. There are at least two problems with this statement. It presupposes that the people in charge of security at WTC 7 would necessarily have been concerned to prevent explosives from being planted. AND The NIST report fails to mention that the security firm for WTC 7, as for WTC 1 and 2 also, Called Securacom (later called Stratesec) had connections to George W. Bush..., which may have made it possible for agents of our government to place explosives in the buildings and escape "detection." The connections to which Staelin alluded were close one: Marvin Bush, one of the president's brothers, had been one of Securacom's principals in the 1990's, during which the fireproofing upgrades to bementioned below were made, and Wirt Walker III, kone jof jthe Bush brothers' cousins, was the CEO through 2001 (and hence on 9/11 itself.) NIST ignores facts. Although the point made by Staeliln was an important one, NIST IGNORED IT. In putting out its final Report in November 2008, NIST simply repeats the statement in question, as if Staelin's comment had never been received. Another interesting fact: The security at the three airports where the departing planes left from also had connections to the Bush family. I suppose the bomb sniffing dogs that roamed the building with their port authority police handlers missed the tons of explosives planted in the 90's.. That's a good one.. no, apparently, there was a bush brother at every airport, and cousins that were everywhere else. they would no problem putting a bush inside the dog sniffers core. it makes perfect sense, so it must be true... There was a Bush planting the explosives at the WTC. A Bush firing the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon.. One planting the explosives at WTC-7 and at least another 20 or so working security at 3 airports.. That is a lot of Bush.. and jeb taught the terrorist how to fly... they were buddies Jeb taught them.. HUH... I figured that would have been daddy Bush since he flew during ww2 and crashed his plane.. Obviously a connection there.. You can't overlook the BUSH that crashed his plane and the terrorists that crashed their planes.. PLus GW was a national guard pilot.. I am quite sure there has to be another connection there.. I can see how people put this stuff together.. It all makes sense now.. that should keep the truthers busy for a few years... The were surgically altered Bush clones. I bet they hired Rush Limbaugh to mind control them. |
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never heard of marvin bush... why did you say jeb? he didn't have anything to do with this.... He was involved with the whole thing. The so-called hi-jackers spent most of their time in Florida, which is something the official report fails to elaborate on. The Bush Cartel are into smuggling drugs and also guns. They are a criminal organization, a family, who totally work together. For details on the Florida criminal connection to 9/11s, go to madcowprod.com. http://www.madcowprod.com/05022005.html no, they didn't fail to mention that... thats where the terrorists learned to fly... oh, a family affair... if anything your saying is true, then why have 2 members of the bush family been elected president then? i guess they are good at keeping things secret, huh... I wouldn't say that they are at all good at keeping secrets. They are good at not getting prosecuted for their crimes, but most people know what they (The Bush Cartel) are doing, have done, continue to do, etc. If they were "good at keeping secrets," it would not be all over the Internet. |
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When a country and government and its politicians are largely owned and operated by a criminal organization, who is there left to prosecute the crimes? There is no one really. They are above the laws, which are only statutes anyway. They just sit back and laugh at all the idiots who would dare try to prosecute them. They can take turns pardoning each other.
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They are not talking detection from security but detection from anyone in the building. Not to mention there were no cascading explosions thus your point is moot. There could be no demolition explosives if there were no demolition like explosions preceeding the colapse. I love how you guys keep ignoring this fact. Oh but there were explosions preceding the collapse and there were dozens of witnesses to that, some of them were injured before the collapse. You have not really done any research on these things at all. You have turned a blind eye to credible witnesses, and qualified professionals simply because you want to believe what you want to believe. You can't handle the truth. Your point is moot. They type of cascading (key word) explosions that would be present for a demolition would be so loud they would be in every single video of the collapses that have audio. Yet every single video has no cascading explosions prior to collapse. Sure there were internal collapses the made explosion like sounds that could be heard near the building. Cascading explosions loud enough to be from actual bombs were not heard. My point is not moot. There were explosions and witnesses and even people injured from explosions before the collapse. There were people blocks away that heard and felt explosions. A controlled demolition is the most likely cause and the cause they claim is not likely at all. Yet they stick to that story and they do so for a reason simply because of the can of worms they would have to open if they found out what really happened. |
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They are not talking detection from security but detection from anyone in the building. Not to mention there were no cascading explosions thus your point is moot. There could be no demolition explosives if there were no demolition like explosions preceeding the colapse. I love how you guys keep ignoring this fact. Oh but there were explosions preceding the collapse and there were dozens of witnesses to that, some of them were injured before the collapse. You have not really done any research on these things at all. You have turned a blind eye to credible witnesses, and qualified professionals simply because you want to believe what you want to believe. You can't handle the truth. Your point is moot. They type of cascading (key word) explosions that would be present for a demolition would be so loud they would be in every single video of the collapses that have audio. Yet every single video has no cascading explosions prior to collapse. Sure there were internal collapses the made explosion like sounds that could be heard near the building. Cascading explosions loud enough to be from actual bombs were not heard. My point is not moot. There were explosions and witnesses and even people injured from explosions before the collapse. There were people blocks away that heard and felt explosions. A controlled demolition is the most likely cause and the cause they claim is not likely at all. Yet they stick to that story and they do so for a reason simply because of the can of worms they would have to open if they found out what really happened. That is really sad. Not only do you not understand, you are incapable of understanding. |
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Please feel free to post a link to a video of the tower colapsing that has cascading explosions prior to the collapse. The sounds would be audible for miles so any video should be fine.
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To ignore eye witness accounts of explosions, and ignore the fact that the Bush-Cheney administration had connections to the security for the towers AND the airports is an obvious cover-up.
To ignore the fact that the twin towers could not possibly have fallen one floor on top of another and left so little debris at the footprint is simply idiotic.   |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Addressing the sound level issue:
NIST says: The explosion of nine pounds of RDX material would have resulted in a sound level of 130 to 140 decibels (a sound consistent with a gunshot blast or a jet plane that is 10 to 20 decibels louder than a rock concert in front of speakers) at a distance of at least half a mile (if unobstructed by surrounding buildings...) But no such sound level was reached, says NIST. "There were no witness reports of such a loud noise, nor was such a noise heard on audio tracks of video tapes that recorded the WTC 7 collapse." What NIST argues is that such a loud noise, meaning one that reached 130 or 140 decibels, was neither reported nor caught on tape. This argument depends entirely on NIST's assumption that if WTC 7 had been brought down by explosive material, the most plausible scenario would have involved nine pounds of RDX, which would have produced a very loud sound. But RDX was emphatically not the most plausible type of explosive material for someone to use to bring down WTC 7. Among those who have argued tha WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition, RDX has seldom if ever been named as the most likely explosive. Rather, as we have seen, the prime suspect has been nanothermite. The leading scientist who have worked on this issue have suggested that in addition to the use of thermate, which is an incendiary, the perpetrators used nanothermite, which is classified as a high explosive. They regard it as the most likely candidate, partly because its signature has been repeatedly and independently discovered in the world Trade Center dust. This RDX straw man is, as we have seen, especially vulnerable to the argument for sound. However, if NIST had engaged the scenario actually proposed by the leading scientific exponents of the controlled demolition hypothesis, this argument would not have worked because explosions produced by nanothermite would not be as loud. Indeed this fact had been pointed out to NIST before it issued its Final Report. |
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To ignore eye witness accounts of explosions, and ignore the fact that the Bush-Cheney administration had connections to the security for the towers AND the airports is an obvious cover-up. To ignore the fact that the twin towers could not possibly have fallen one floor on top of another and left so little debris at the footprint is simply idiotic. First public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States Statement of David Lim to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States March 31, 2003 I am a Police Officer in the employ of the Port Authority of NY & NJ. I have been such for the greater part of the last 23 years. On Sept. 11th, 2001, our Police Department suffered the greatest single day loss in Law Enforcement history @ the World Trade Center. 37 Officers from every rank (Superintendent to Police Officer) as well as my partner, explosive detector K-9 Sirius were killed in the attack. Many would ask what the PAPD was doing in the World Trade Center. A little known fact was that we were always there. Since the Port Authority owned the buildings, we (the Police) were responsible for the public safety therein. We were there in 93' as well as on 9/11. http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing1/witness_lim.htm I suppose the Port Authority Police were in on it as well.. Must of had a Bush in charge of them too.. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 04/18/12 05:01 PM
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There are many people in our society who answer to their superiors and work for companies and government agencies who, although they are under the ultimate command of our "commander and Chiefs" have no idea where their orders ultimately come from.
To remark that "I suppose the Port Authority Police were in on it as well.. " is a bit sarcastic and condescending. There are many things in this country that are classified and "top secret." Departmentalization is used to keep one hand (one agency) from knowing what the other is doing. People at street level like police and firemen seldom know who's orders they are ultimately following. They are pawns in the game. They see things and they are told what they can and cannot talk about and the excuse is always the same... National security, top secret, classified etc. |
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Edited by
InvictusV
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Wed 04/18/12 05:12 PM
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People at street level like police and firemen seldom know who's orders they are ultimately following. They are pawns in the game. They see things and they are told what they can and cannot talk about and the excuse is always the same... National security, top secret, classified etc. So an officer of 23 years would simply turn a blind eye to explosives in a building because he was told to? OK.. Not to mention that if he knew explosives were in the towers why on earth would he go into the north tower and climb the stairs searching for victims? He wasn't smart enough to figure out that the explosives he was to ignore along with planes flying into the buildings weren't just a coincidence? |
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To ignore the fact that the twin towers could not possibly have fallen one floor on top of another and left so little debris at the footprint is simply idiotic. And yet you think a demolition would have any less debris? Oh please wise one explain how a demolition would have less debris. 
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Edited by
Chazster
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Steven E. Jones made the error early in his research, of classifying nanothermite as an explosive in the
same category as the high explosive RDX, with no published science to back up his claim. The 911 truth movement has never recovered from this error, for to this day nearly everyone in the movement refers to "explosive nanothermite," as even this clever cover for a fictitious "For Dummies" book illustrates. (1) Examples of Jones confusing these issues are cited and commented upon. Two technical papers on nanothermite are cited to support my contention that nanothermite is not anywhere near being an explosive in the sense of a high explosive like RDX. These two papers are also cited on the issue of adding organics to nanothermites to produce gas generating nano-thermites (GGNT) and I maintain that these papers suggest that the only way to make a nanothermite truly explosive is to combine it with an explosive or other high-explosive mechanism http://www.serendipity.li/wot/nano_complete_paper_final110501.pdf Paper by a MS in Chemical Engineering. |
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