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Topic: Can only statements be true or false?
prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 08:09 AM Edited by prashant01 on Mon 03/12/12 08:10 AM
An Indication can also be true or false. Give an example please. For example if your car's fuel level meter is showing tank as full when it is empty.That's a false indication,when it works ok,it is supposed to indicate true level.Similarly a defective thermometer may indicate false temperature. I don't consider fuel level & temperature as statement.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 08:17 AM
prashant, It seems to me that you are not making a distinction between being called "true" and being true. Without making and adhering to that distinction, you'll not understand what I'm getting at. Do you understand that being called "true" is not sufficient for being true? I'll be glad if you can answer my question,Why shall anything be called as true if it is not true?

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 08:21 AM
My OP is : Actually I know something else that is both true & false ARE. Not sure what you're smiling about. The above claim is not correctly formed. "I know something that is both true & false ARE." says nothing meaningful at all. If you read & try to understand it carefully,then you will get your mistake CS. If the statement were properly formed then... I rechecked it.It is correctly formed...

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 08:23 AM
Anything that is called as 'TRUE' is necessarily true as it is called as true because it is always true that it is true.If it is not true then why would we call it as true & how can it be true if it is not called as true??? similar is the case of anything that is called as False. So don't you call true as true & false as false?? This shows a clear lack of understanding what it takes for something to be true. Calling something "true" does not make it so. I see..!! Then why do we call it as "true"?

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 08:36 AM
Is there anything else that can be true or false that is not a statement? Next thing is PERCEPTION. Another one is CONCEPTION. ASSUMPTION is also not statement. How is perception, conception, and/or assumption true or false? Your perception that I'm unable to understand difference between "true" & "being called true" may be true or false,whether it is stated or unstated. My "assumption" that you are really not understanding my questions may be true or false,whether it is stated or not. If my image is formed in your mind as malicious,then it could be your true or false conception,irrespective of you state it or not.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 08:55 AM
If you are wanting to make a rule that true and false can only be applied to statements, (which is what it seems you are doing) then within that rule you do need a statement. It is false that only statements can be true or false,there are many other things which are & which we term as true or false.That's true. But when I say that all things that exist are true, I am talking about a different level of understanding. It is a level that you do not acknowledge or recognize. or unable to sense or conceptualize or understand. Like zeros and ones. 1 = existence = "true" 0 = nothing = "false" It is true that something that is called as true is called as true because it is true. Nothing does not exist. That's also true Nothing is false. That is false. Everything that exists is true. That's my logic. It is true that it is your logic but it is false that it is true. Everything that exists may not necessarily be true,it depends on our perception,conception,understanding...irrespective of being stated somewhere.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 08:58 AM
This thread is similar to the thread "IS TRUTH SUBJECTIVE..." Good way to pass the time.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 09:06 AM
Name something that exists that is not true other than a statement. Depending on your definition of existence,I can try to name few.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 09:14 AM
I still haven't seen something that can be true that is not in the form of a statement. Haven't you seen any indicating device yet? Hope you won't claim that the readings,the digits,the pointer etc. provided on the indicating devices are statements.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 09:21 AM
I still haven't seen something that can be true that is not in the form of a statement. Things can be true without the need of a statement. If the sun shines, that is truth. The sun gives off light. It will give off light, whether or not anyone makes a statement about it or not. So, which part above is true that is not a statement? The part which you have experienced first,confirmed latter & are believing for whole life,whether stated here or else anywhere or not is true to the best of your knowledge.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/12/12 09:27 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 03/12/12 09:28 AM
It is true that it is your logic but it is false that it is true. Everything that exists may not necessarily be true,it depends on our perception,conception,understanding...irrespective of being stated somewhere. Name something that exists that is not true. (other than a statement.)

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 10:02 AM
It is true that it is your logic but it is false that it is true. Everything that exists may not necessarily be true,it depends on our perception,conception,understanding...irrespective of being stated somewhere. Name something that exists that is not true. (other than a statement.) I said,I will like to try for this,but you need to clear first what do u mean by existence.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Mon 03/12/12 10:56 AM
prashant, It seems to me that you are not making a distinction between being called "true" and being true. Without making and adhering to that distinction, you'll not understand what I'm getting at. Do you understand that being called "true" is not sufficient for being true? I'll be glad if you can answer my question,Why shall anything be called as true if it is not true? Things can be called "true" that are not because they are believed to be.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 11:02 AM
prashant, It seems to me that you are not making a distinction between being called "true" and being true. Without making and adhering to that distinction, you'll not understand what I'm getting at. Do you understand that being called "true" is not sufficient for being true? I'll be glad if you can answer my question,Why shall anything be called as true if it is not true? Things can be called "true" that are not because they are believed to be. Is that justifiable?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Mon 03/12/12 11:04 AM
I still haven't seen something that can be true that is not in the form of a statement. Haven't you seen any indicating device yet? Hope you won't claim that the readings,the digits,the pointer etc. provided on the indicating devices are statements. The device indicates that this or that is the case. If that is not making a statement about the way things are, then tell me... what exactly is it doing?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Mon 03/12/12 11:07 AM
prashant, It seems to me that you are not making a distinction between being called "true" and being true. Without making and adhering to that distinction, you'll not understand what I'm getting at. Do you understand that being called "true" is not sufficient for being true? I'll be glad if you can answer my question,Why shall anything be called as true if it is not true? Things can be called "true" that are not because they are believed to be. Is that justifiable? I believe "X" means I believe "X" is true. There is no exception. Belief is insufficient for being true. Being called "true" is insufficient for being true. What more need be said?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 03/12/12 11:14 AM
It is true that it is your logic but it is false that it is true. Everything that exists may not necessarily be true,it depends on our perception,conception,understanding...irrespective of being stated somewhere. Name something that exists that is not true. (other than a statement.) I said,I will like to try for this,but you need to clear first what do u mean by existence. Objective things.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Mon 03/12/12 11:22 AM
It is true that something that is called as true is called as true because it is true. No. Something is called "true" because it is believed to be. If everything that was called "true" is called such because it is true, then we would arrive at contradiction. Some folk call this or that true, while others call this or that false. "X" and "not X" cannot both be true, but they can both be stated and thus believed to be.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 11:27 AM
It is true that it is your logic but it is false that it is true. Everything that exists may not necessarily be true,it depends on our perception,conception,understanding...irrespective of being stated somewhere. Name something that exists that is not true. (other than a statement.) I said,I will like to try for this,but you need to clear first what do u mean by existence. Objective things. False "False" can never be true. "False" exists. "False" is objective too.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Mon 03/12/12 11:31 AM
It is true that something that is called as true is called as true because it is true. No. Something is called "true" because it is believed to be. If everything that was called "true" is called such because it is true, then we would arrive at contradiction. Some folk call this or that true, while others call this or that false. "X" and "not X" cannot both be true, but they can both be stated and thus believed to be. Hitting around the bush. It is believed to be true because anyhow it is true.