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Indeed. Calling binary code true and false is itself - a language construct. Language and meaning both presuppose correspondence to fact/reality. When this is grasped in it's fullness, the 'problem' that prashant is setting out is dissolved.
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Not agreed. My answer is correct. Logic is not a statement & it is either true or false. How do you know that? |
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He doesn't. One cannot know a falsehood.
"Logic is true & false" is itself a false statement. Conclusions are called "true" and "false". Conclusions are statements. Boolean logic consists of statements being made in binary form. Those statements follow rules. Rules are also statements. 
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There are only logically 'true' statements in Boolean logic. That is exactly why AI will never happen as long as binary code is used for the language. Being logically 'true' simply means being valid. Interesting. What other code could be used for AI? and not nor... Requires three way gates at every memory 'shuffle' nexus. Still would result in only an unstable AI that would breakdown at 'IAM' (you would have to keep its programing from 'leaping' to self examination of self). |
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There are only logically 'true' statements in Boolean logic. That is exactly why AI will never happen as long as binary code is used for the language. Being logically 'true' simply means being valid. Interesting. What other code could be used for AI? and not nor... Requires three way gates at every memory 'shuffle' nexus. Still would result in only an unstable AI that would breakdown at 'IAM' (you would have to keep its programing from 'leaping' to self examination of self).  
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There are only logically 'true' statements in Boolean logic. That is exactly why AI will never happen as long as binary code is used for the language. Being logically 'true' simply means being valid. Biggest problem with binary AI is the following of the linked path. When only off and on are available a false path can be followed for a long time befor encountering an off (invalid) response. The human brain can deduct the presense of a false path without having to follow it first. So far no computer can do that. requires a 'leap of faith' (which comes from the spirit). Yep. My first husband, a programmer, designed a program to work out the answer to a numbers contest that awarded huge money prizes and he ran it on a half million dollar computer for an entire weekend and still lost the contest to some housewife in New Jersey. I asked him why he was beaten by some housewife in New Jersey. He said something similar. The computer has to look at every option from start to finish. The human mind can deduct the presence of a false path without doing that. I'm not sure if spirit is what does that, but a human brain or mind has a much more complicated method of deducing than a computer that is for sure. The brain is just a better machine. Its organic. In the future, computers themselves will be organic simply because they are better machines. A non-organic non-living computer/machine will never match an organic living machine. Spirit or not. |
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There are only logically 'true' statements in Boolean logic. That is exactly why AI will never happen as long as binary code is used for the language. Being logically 'true' simply means being valid. The topic is for finding something that is not statement & is either true or false. I tried my best & highlighted few things which are not statements & are either true or false ( called or actually). Why are you diverting the subject to statements in boolean logic,I don't know. Boolean algebra is algebra of binary number system.zero meaning flase & one meaning true.These codes are not developed by me after this of your topic but it is true that whole world is making rapid progress due to this number system & boolean logic.You wise man must be knowing that whole computer system is based on this algebra only. In short I want to say that wise people like you have developed this number system & they are calling o as false & 1 as true.I'm just their follower. logical outputs are not statements & they are either true or false So,I win first prize. If you are satisfied & do have some query about my other answers for your question,let me know. 
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also let me know why shall we call it as true if it is not true? I've already answered this prashant. Something is called "true" if it is believed to be true. What do you hold as a sufficient criterion, which if met, qualifies something as being true? Do you understand the difference between being called "true" and being true? It is sad that you still can't understood whether I understand difference between being called & being.We have debated a lot over this.Is it the case that you are teasing me?? Anyway,in this case if you understand, pl. note that they are not calling 1 as true because they are believing 1 as true and 0 as false but they termed 1 as true & 0 as false. Re-read my question let me know why shall we call it as true if it is not true? & try to answer it in exact accordance,else accept that I answered your question correctly,it won't make you smaller. Logical outputs aren't statements ,even then they are called as true or false. Isn't this correct answer to the topic question? |
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The more simple point being missed here is that Boolean logic is statement(of the performative variety) in binary form. Do you disagree with that? Boolean logic is statement but it's output is not. Review my claim from the beginning; I never claimed that boolean logic is called as true or false.In fact they are never called as true or false but they can be valid or invalid.invalid logic don't work.valid logic works & gives outputs which are termed as zero ( false) or one )true) Is that ok?? |
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In boolean algebra outputs of the logical electronic circuits are evaluated as True or False, One or Zero. And "evaluated as" simply means that they are called such. Calling something "true" or "false" does not make it so. now I must do  it's funny. Excuse me,I need to rofl now,hope u don't mind.  |
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Aren't logical outputs derived from following rules? Aren't rules statements? OMG I must ROFL again. Dude,If you apply same logic to what is actually true or false then they too won't even remain true or false.Just thin,I'm sure you are wiser than me.
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There are only logically 'true' statements in Boolean logic. That is exactly why AI will never happen as long as binary code is used for the language. Being logically 'true' simply means being valid. Interesting. What other code could be used for AI? In fact,we don't at all use the term 'LOGICALLY TRUE' for statements of boolean logic,they are simply termed & considered as valid & invalid.  Why am I talking about logical statements? my point is about logical outputs... |
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Indeed. Calling binary code true and false is itself - a language construct. Language and meaning both presuppose correspondence to fact/reality. When this is grasped in it's fullness, the 'problem' that prashant is setting out is dissolved. Dude,I'm not setting out the problem,rather I'm providing simple & correct solution to the problem (I mean question) set by you. It is good that you understood that it is language construct.Now I expect you to not consider it as "being called as per belief". 
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Not agreed. My answer is correct. Logic is not a statement & it is either true or false. How do you know that? How do I know what? I consider that your question is "How one knows that logical out put is true or false?" As I already explained before,if an electronic circuit don't deliver any output then it is called as false & at times when it delivers output it is called as true. ( not believed to be true or false but it is terminology ) They are TRUE or FALSE & they aren't statements. |
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He doesn't. One cannot know a falsehood. "Logic is true & false" is itself a false statement. Conclusions are called "true" and "false". Conclusions are statements. Boolean logic consists of statements being made in binary form. Those statements follow rules. Rules are also statements. Awww...CS...u knows well I forgot to type the word "OUTPUT" next to logic.I'm sorry for that,anyway,it don't mean that you shall consider it as logic only.It is logical output & it is neither in statement form nor it is called as statement.Even if you call them statement,it won;t make any sense to anyone. boolean logics are built by statements but they are never termed as true or false.It is their output ( signal level) which are termed as TRUE or FALSE & please note that the outputs aren't statements. It is quite similar to another example 'INDICATION' or answer I provided to your topic question. |
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I think that I see the point you're making prashant.
"True" is the definition of 1(logical output), whereas false is the definition of 0(no output). -- True by definition is the law of identity, which is utterly meaningless, in and of itself. -- None-the-less... 1=true is still a statement -- And just so ya know, I am not teasing you. |
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I think that I see the point you're making prashant. "True" is the definition of 1(logical output), whereas false is the definition of 0(no output). -- True by definition is the law of identity, which is utterly meaningless, in and of itself. -- None-the-less... 1=true is still a statement -- And just so ya know, I am not teasing you. I understand what he is saying also, however I was using truth to equal 1 and falsehood to equal 0 or illusion. truth vs. falsehood (nouns) true vs. false (adjectives) reality vs. illusion (nouns or states of affairs) |
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Also:
Reality = truth Falsehood = illusion |
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I think that I see the point you're making prashant. "True" is the definition of 1(logical output), whereas false is the definition of 0(no output). Not definition,it's terminology.Output if 1 is termed as 'True' ,if 0 it's 'false'. As u mentioned correctly with your superior english it is just language construct. True by definition is the law of identity, which is utterly meaningless, in and of itself. Sorry,I'm not getting this. None-the-less... 1=true is still a statement Yes it is;so what? Am I claiming about that statement?? My reply to your topic question is Logical outputs are true or false. Logical outputs are not statements. In your above attempt you are just preparing a statement'1=true'. Do you think you are proving outputs as 'statements' by your above statement? -- And just so ya know, I am not teasing you. Thanks for not teasing
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My reply to your topic question is Logical outputs are true or false. Logical outputs are not statements. Those are both statements. 
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