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Topic: Can only statements be true or false?
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Sat 03/17/12 09:34 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Sat 03/17/12 09:35 PM

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Sat 03/17/12 09:58 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 03/17/12 09:59 PM


Here is a definition.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact


fact   [fakt] Show IPA
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

2.
something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.

3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

5.
Law . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law.


Number one and two agrees that a fact is something that is known to exist, known to have happened, actually exists, or is reality, and/or truth.

Number four states or implies that a fact is a statement: IE: "Something said to be true or supposed to have happened." It also implies that a "fact" could be wrong or "questionable."

So Creative, you are claiming that a statement cannot be a fact. It can only be "true" or "false" because a fact is something that exists, reality, truth, etc.

And yet you have also insisted that statements exist.

If a fact is an actual thing, how can a witness give facts, as in the following statement used for an example:

"The facts given by the witness are highly questionable."


Why are you questioning me about the uses of the term that I reject because they lead to incoherence? Would you like to go down through the list, one at a time, and show how and where they fail to make sense?

Dictionaries list the most common uses of a word. They do not gaurantee that that use makes sense when looked at more closely.


I agree that dictionaries are not always correct.

Maybe they don't lead to incoherence. Reject them you may but they are still being used and understood. Are you the semantic policeman?



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Sat 03/17/12 10:46 PM
I agree that dictionaries are not always correct.

Maybe they don't lead to incoherence. Reject them you may but they are still being used and understood. Are you the semantic policeman?


Yep, place your hands in the air and step away from the car.

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Definitions influence how we identify with certain things. "Fact" is a word, and yet it is also a concept. I'm less concerned with discussing the semantics of the word "fact". All the definitions are 'right', because a definition is simply the way a term is used. The dictionary offers the most common ones. That's how the word is used. I'm not looking to say that one is using a term incorrectly, although I'll point that out if need be. Rather, I'm claiming that certain uses of pivotal words, such as "fact" leave people lacking understanding as a result.

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