Oh yeah...


This is one of those pagan rituals that I have every right to reject anyway...

Oh but if you focus upon atoning for your sins you are focused upon the narrowness of the past(and therefore a very small picture of your worth to God).

In truth is the cross empty if one celebrates the Accension of Christ and not the Death of Jesus.

This is why I have no problems with the displaying of the cross...

It signifies that we have overcome sin by mercy and so no sacrifice should be made (if Christ is real in your heart he died that you might live and lived so you might prosper).

As far as using the sacrifice to appease the death of a living thing that you might eat...

Fast from eating from time to time to Honor the life that feeds you. (why would you eat something because you eat)

Peter I don't know what your problem is. You said:

"Show me where it says that (the bolded words above)... "

These were the words you were referring to and these were MY WORDS. They were not meant to be mistaken as a quote of some Bible verse.

The Bible says that Jesus told people that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life.

So I posted this, which is from the Bible -- as you asked:

Jesus said to them,

"I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

John 6:53-56

So Peterpan, why do you say that I posted something different? I posted a Bible verse that totally backs up MY STATEMENT.

Yes, here you want some of Jesus' blood? Read it up, soak it up... drink it up. Jesus' blood can be bought at grocery stores even.


Luke 22:20


20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Indeed you did. It did not go unnoticed. Take note that you justified your claim well, and that the irrelvant crap brought up afterwards does not make Pan's following objection have any merit or substance. His claims were hollow and irrelevant. Typical, actually. All one must do is look for themselves at any given conversation.

Don't sweat it, it's not worth it.

You've shown what was asked. The ball is in his court, and he'll drop it, I gaurantee and instead talk abot something else that is irrelevant.

For cowboy: Isn't that blasphemous for a believer?

Thank you.

Case is closed.

I must say however, that the passage you gave is referencing the communion ceremony. Jesus told his followers to drink wine and eat bread in remembrance of him. The blood is symbolized by the wine, and his flesh by the bread(which is usually cracker-like unleavened bread). So, as Pan suggested though not clearly enough, the interpretation of the verse you posted is not meant to be taken literally.

Rather, it(communion) is an act of faith.

That is probably true, but the question is, what does it symbolize?
It symbolizes how a sacrifice is meant to be eaten.

Jesus, being a sacrifice, symbolically must be accepted as such in order to be saved, therefore the eating of the flesh and the drinking of the blood symbolizes how a sacrifice is to be recieved.

Which is my point of how killing an animal or giving it for sacrifice to a God was for the purpose of food.

Food is energy for life.

That is the symbolism.

Communion, taking of the bread and wine, is not really an act of faith but a reaffirming your acceptance of the sacrifice, which in the case of Christianity is the death of Jesus, the lamb of God. A lamb is normally used as a sacrifice.

That is why they say that you must except the sacrifice of Jesus in order to be saved. You must eat the flesh(bread) and drink the blood(wine) in order to live, just as in life, we must sacrifice other living things in order to live.

Indeed for those that practice communion it is an 'act of faith'...

Yet the passage does not reference communion (which came from the Rock of Christ and not by the Hand of God).

It is a lesson suitable for framing (and last cups sipped amid polite discorse).

Jesus wasn't a "sacrifice". Jesus gave his life for you, he went to hell for you. He resurrected and defeated death for you.

Jesus isn't to be accepted as a "sacrifice". Jesus is to be accepted as LORD and saviour. After Jesus shed his blood on the cross, there was no sacrifing anything for forgiveness of sins, that covenant was fulfilled, completed, finished.

A willing sacrifice is still a sacrifice.

Yes, God sacrificed his son for the world.

Yes, it was a sacrifice.

Please give a verse that says Jesus was a "sacrifice" for God.

You make it out to be a "requirement" when it is not. It is a metaphor to most people and only symbolic. You would have to take a literal position to support the ritualistic cannibalism.


John 6:63
New International Version (NIV)

63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[a] and life.
Footnotes:
a.John 6:63 Or are Spirit; or are spirit


John 6:40
New International Version (NIV)

40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”



Well, there's another way right there to obtain eternal life, so your requirement, while being only symbolic, is still not a requirement.

Actually, yes sorry for saying contrary to that. It's late and wasn't thinking. After I said that I had a feeling it wasn't right and investigated it a little. Here's what I found that shows your statement to be true. But his sacrifice was the ultimate sacrifice.

Hebrews 10:1-18

Hebrews 10

1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin

JB.

For it to have been a true "sacrifice" Jesus wouldn't have been able to "avoid" it.

Jesus purposely sought his destiny to end where, when, and how it did.

God didn't "sacrifice" anything.

Cowboy, here is some more stuff I found.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/info/hebrews-larm.html

I don't know what else you would call it if it was not a sacrifice.

I guess you would have to ask God that question.
A self sacrifice or a willing sacrifice of your life for others is still a sacrifice.