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Edited by
MorningSong
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Those that believed in God before Jesus
Incarnation,were accounted for righteousness...and when Jesus ascended into heaven,He took those in paradise up to heaven WITH Him..... but all those that believed on Jesus while on earth, and all those who came after Jesus's ressurrection ,can ONLY come to the Father thru JESUS now....cause Jesus became the final sacrifice offered up as the attonement for all our sins..... and all we need to do is believe and receive this free gift of GRACE offered.... and there are no works reguired of us to add either...all we have to do is just open up our hearts and believe and receive Jesus....while God is drawing us and knocking on our hearts door..... and patiently waiting for us to ask Him to come in .  ...... so we too, can be made the righteousnes of God , which comes now thru Jesus Chrisit ... and also ..so we may have eternal life with God.....and fellowship again with God. Again...Jesus was the final attonement made for sin...there is no more sacrifice made for sin...Jesus was the final sacrifice..once and for alll....... all those who had already died prior to his coming, Jesus already took up to heaven with Him .
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Peter-pan...this here will much better explain :
Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is the Lamb of God?" Answer: When Jesus is called the Lamb of God in John 1:29 and John 1:36, it is referring to Him as the perfect and ultimate sacrifice for sin. In order to understand who Christ was and what He did, we must begin with the Old Testament, which contains prophecies concerning the coming of Christ as a “guilt offering” (Isaiah 53:10). In fact, the whole sacrificial system established by God in the Old Testament set the stage for the coming of Jesus Christ, who is the perfect sacrifice God would provide as atonement for the sins of His people (Romans 8:3; Hebrews 10). The sacrifice of lambs played a very important role in the Jewish religious life and sacrificial system. When John the Baptist referred to Jesus as the “Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29), the Jews who heard him might have immediately thought of any one of several important sacrifices. With the time of the Passover feast being very near, the first thought might be the sacrifice of the Passover lamb. The Passover feast was one of the main Jewish holidays and a celebration in remembrance of God’s deliverance of the Israelites from bondage in Egypt. In fact, the slaying of the Passover lamb and the applying of the blood to doorposts of the houses (Exodus 12:11-13) is a beautiful picture of Christ’s atoning work on the cross. Those for whom He died are covered by His blood, protecting us from the angel of (spiritual) death. Another important sacrifice involving lambs was the daily sacrifice at the temple in Jerusalem. Every morning and evening, a lamb was sacrificed in the temple for the sins of the people (Exodus 29:38- 42). These daily sacrifices, like all others, were simply to point people towards the perfect sacrifice of Christ on the cross. In fact, the time of Jesus’ death on the cross corresponds to the time the evening sacrifice was being made in the temple. The Jews at that time would have also been familiar with the Old Testament prophets Jeremiah and Isaiah, who foretold the coming of One who would be brought “like a lamb led to the slaughter” (Jeremiah 11:19; Isaiah 53:7) and whose sufferings and sacrifice would provide redemption for Israel. Of course, that person was none other than Jesus Christ, “the Lamb of God.” While the idea of a sacrificial system might seem strange to us today, the concept of payment or restitution is still one we can easily understand. We know that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) and that our sin separates us from God. We also know the Bible teaches we are all sinners and none of us is righteous before God (Romans 3:23). Because of our sin, we are separated from God, and we stand guilty before Him. Therefore, the only hope we can have is if He provides a way for us to be reconciled to Himself, and that is what He did in sending His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross. Christ died to make atonement for sin and to pay the penalty of the sins of all who believe in Him. It is through His death on the cross as God’s perfect sacrifice for sin and His resurrection three days later that we can now have eternal life if we believe in Him. The fact that God Himself has provided the offering that atones for our sin is part of the glorious good news of the gospel that is so clearly declared in 1 Peter 1:18-21: “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.” gotquestios.org
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 03/06/12 11:35 PM
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Jesus is God...means... Jesus is just AS much God AS
The Father is God ( as is also The Holy Spirit just AS much God AS The Father and Son is God) ...and the 3 Persons in ONE GODHEAD = ONE GOD. Point being....when we say Jesus is God, we are NOT saying Jesus The SON is God The FATHER..... what we are saying is: all 3 Persons(Father,Son,Holy Spirit) within the One Godhead are all 3 EQUALLY GOD....AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ARE GOD. ALL 3 PERSONS MAKE UP ONLY ONE GOD!!! THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY !!! ONLY ONE GOD WE SERVE !!! PERIOD!!! Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?" Answer: Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason. “… you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—DEITY. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15). John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God! Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God. In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity. The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death. gotquestions.org |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 03/07/12 03:16 AM
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Question: "What did Jesus mean when He said 'I AM The
Way and The Truth and The Life' (John 14:6)?" Answer: “I AM The Way and The Truth and The Life” is one of the seven “I Am” statements of Jesus. On the last night before His betrayal and death, Jesus was preparing His disciples for the days ahead. For over three years, these men had been following Jesus and learning from His teaching and example. They had placed their hopes in Him as the Messiah, the promised deliverer, yet they still didn't understand how He was going to accomplish that deliverance. After the Last Supper, Jesus began speaking about His departure, which led to questions from His disciples. In John 13:33, Jesus said, “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come.” This prompted Peter to ask where He was going (v. 36). Peter and the others did not understand that Jesus was speaking of His death and ascension to Heaven. Jesus' response was “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” Peter was still misunderstanding and declared that he would follow Jesus anywhere and even lay His life down if necessary. As Jesus patiently continued to teach His disciples, He began speaking more plainly about heaven, describing the place He was going to prepare for them (John 14:2-3). Then Jesus said “You know the way to the place where I am going” (v. 4). Speaking for the others, Thomas said they did not know where He was going, so how could they know how to follow Him there? It was to this question that Jesus uttered one of the seven famous “I am” statements. I AM – In the Greek language, “I AM” is a very intense way of referring to oneself. It would be comparable to saying, “I myself, and only I, am.” Several other times in the Gospels we find Jesus using these words. In Matthew 22:32 Jesus quotes Exodus 3:6, where God uses the same intensive form to say “I AM the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” In John 8:58, Jesus said “Truly, truly I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM.” The Jews clearly understood Jesus to be calling Himself God because they took up stones to stone Him for committing blasphemy in equating Himself with God. In Matthew 28:20, as Jesus gave the Great Commission, He gave it emphasis by saying “I AM with you always, to the end of the age.” When the soldiers came seeking Jesus in the garden the night before His crucifixion, He told them “I AM He” and His words were so powerful that the soldiers fell to the ground (John 18:4-6). These words reflect the very Name of God in Hebrew, Yahweh, which means “To Be” or “the self-existing One.” It is the Name of power and authority, and Jesus claimed it as His own. The Way – Jesus used the definite article to distinguish Himself as “The Only Way.” A way is a path or route, and the disciples had expressed their confusion about where He was going, and how they could follow. As He had told them from the beginning, Jesus was again telling them (and us) “Follow Me.” There is no other path to Heaven, no other way to the Father. Peter reiterated this same Truth years later to the rulers in Jerusalem, saying about Jesus, “Salvation is found in no One else, for there is no other Name under heaven given to men by which we must be Saved” (Acts 4:12). The exclusive nature of the only path to salvation is expressed in the words “I AM The Way.” The Truth – Again Jesus used the definite article to emphasize Himself as “The Only Truth.” Psalm 119:142 says “Your Law is the Truth.” In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus reminded His listeners of several points of the Law, then said “but I say unto you...” (Matthew 5:22, 28, 32, 34, 39, 44), thereby equating Himself with the Law of God as the authoritative standard of righteousness. In fact, Jesus said that He came to Fulfill the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 5:17). Jesus, as the Incarnate Word of God (John 1:1) is the source of All Truth. The Life – Jesus had just been telling His disciples about His impending death, and now He was claiming to be the source of all Life. In John 10:17-18, Jesus declared that He was going to lay down His Life for His sheep, and then take it back again. He spoke of His authority over Life and death as being granted to Him by the Father. In John 14:19, He gave the promise that “because I live, you also will live.” The deliverance He was about to provide was not a political or social deliverance (which most of the Jews were seeking), but a true deliverance from a life of bondage to sin and death to a life of freedom in eternity. In these words, Jesus was declaring Himself the great “I AM,” the only path to righteousness, the only true measure of righteousness, and the source of both physical and spiritual life. He was staking His claim as the very God of Creation, the Lord who blessed Abraham, and the Holy One who inhabits eternity. He did this so the disciples would be able to face the dark days ahead and carry on the mission of declaring the gospel to the world. Of course, we know from Scripture that they still didn't understand, and it took several visits from their risen Lord to shake them out of their disbelief. Once they understood the Truth of His Words, they became changed people, and the world has never been the same. So how do we follow Him today? The same Way the disciples did long ago. They heard the words of Jesus and Believed them. They took His Words and Obeyed them. They confessed their sins to Jesus as their Lord and God. They believed that He died to take the punishment of their sins and rose from the dead to give them new life. They followed His example and command to tell others the Truth about sin, righteousness, and judgment. When we follow Him in “The Way,” we can be assured of following Him All the Way to Heaven. gotquestions.org |
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Sorry folks, but human sacrifice and the "Trinity" are not Biblical. The whole idea of someone else paying for my sins makes me sick. Besides, that would go against scripture.
Now, if you want to sit there and argue your "infallible" position, then there are going to be some problems regarding the sacrifice. 1. It wasn't done on a proper altar. 2. It wasn't performed according to "law" 3. It was offered up by the transgressors of the sins 4. It wasn't even for the right type of sin. So, I'm forgiven for accidently eating pork now? 5. It is no different than the nations who sent their sons and daughters through the fires. Human sacrifice is NOT Biblical. As for the trinity? God is one.... |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 03/07/12 07:54 PM
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That was GOD HIMSELF on that cross....NOT just a
mere human being.... GOD THE SON WAS FULLY MAN AS WELL AS FULLY GOD. NO mere human being could EVER Pay the penalty for our sins. ONLY GOD COULD !!! AND GOD DID!!!!!! And the Trinity speaks of ONE TRI_UNE GOD.....WHO IS ONLY ONE GOD. WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD. ONLY.
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That was GOD HIMSELF on that cross....NOT just a mere human being.... GOD THE SON was FULLY MAN AS WELL AS FULLY GOD..... JESUS was NOT just a mere human being. And the Trinity speaks of ONE TRI_UNE GOD.....WHO IS ONLY ONE GOD. WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD. ONLY. OK, Jesus was God... I can accept that if you can accept this: Matthew 25:40 King James Version (KJV) 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. |
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I believe and accept all of God's Word.
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So do I, just ONLY God's Word...
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Sorry folks, but human sacrifice and the "Trinity" are not Biblical. The whole idea of someone else paying for my sins makes me sick. Besides, that would go against scripture. Now, if you want to sit there and argue your "infallible" position, then there are going to be some problems regarding the sacrifice. 1. It wasn't done on a proper altar. 2. It wasn't performed according to "law" 3. It was offered up by the transgressors of the sins 4. It wasn't even for the right type of sin. So, I'm forgiven for accidently eating pork now? 5. It is no different than the nations who sent their sons and daughters through the fires. Human sacrifice is NOT Biblical. As for the trinity? God is one.... Sorry folks, but human sacrifice and the "Trinity" are not Biblical. The whole idea of someone else paying for my sins makes me sick. Besides, that would go against scripture. Jesus did die for our sins, but not in so much of a way as a "sacrifice" or anything. He died for our sins because he went to hell in your place. He took your place in death so you would not have to, so you could have eternal life through him. And I agree to an extent that the "Trinity" is not specifically biblical. The "trinity" proclaims The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to be one exact being. But this could not be true and or our God is a liar. When Jesus was on the cross God the Father said "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If they were one exact being, that statement would be a lie, for he would be referring to himself in third person so to speak. |
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Wed 03/07/12 08:50 PM
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Sorry folks, but human sacrifice and the "Trinity" are not Biblical. The whole idea of someone else paying for my sins makes me sick. Besides, that would go against scripture. Now, if you want to sit there and argue your "infallible" position, then there are going to be some problems regarding the sacrifice. 1. It wasn't done on a proper altar. 2. It wasn't performed according to "law" 3. It was offered up by the transgressors of the sins 4. It wasn't even for the right type of sin. So, I'm forgiven for accidently eating pork now? 5. It is no different than the nations who sent their sons and daughters through the fires. Human sacrifice is NOT Biblical. As for the trinity? God is one.... Sorry folks, but human sacrifice and the "Trinity" are not Biblical. The whole idea of someone else paying for my sins makes me sick. Besides, that would go against scripture. Jesus did die for our sins, but not in so much of a way as a "sacrifice" or anything. He died for our sins because he went to hell in your place. He took your place in death so you would not have to, so you could have eternal life through him. And I agree to an extent that the "Trinity" is not specifically biblical. The "trinity" proclaims The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to be one exact being. But this could not be true and or our God is a liar. When Jesus was on the cross God the Father said "This is my son in whom I'm well pleased". If they were one exact being, that statement would be a lie, for he would be referring to himself in third person so to speak. Actually, I think that was said during Yeshua's baptism. Yeshua brought us forgiveness, not rules and commandments of men. All you have to do is have faith and believe on his name which of course means "Yahweh is salvation" Proverbs 25:2 King James Version (KJV) 2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Wed 03/07/12 10:22 PM
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"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding." Proverbs 3:5 |
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Matthew 22:36-38
New International Version (NIV) 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. Footnotes: a.Matthew 22:37 Deut. 6:5 Luke 10:26-28 New International Version (NIV) 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[.b]” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” Footnotes: a.Luke 10:27 Deut. 6:5 b.Luke 10:27 Lev. 19:18 Mark 12:28-34 New International Version (NIV) The Greatest Commandment 28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[.b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.” 32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions. Footnotes: a.Mark 12:29 Or The Lord our God is one Lord b.Mark 12:30 Deut. 6:4,5 c.Mark 12:31 Lev. 19:18 |
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So who are the liberals? Those who teach what is in the Bible or those who teach things that directly contradict the Bible? |
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