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CeriseRose
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Moses was never accused in the OT nor the NT as representing God falsely. His lawgiving was never labeled as unauthorized. Matthew 19: 7, "They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8, He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Moses gave the command, not God. Unless you wish to deny the words of Yashua??? Peter you continually overlook the fact that Moses was ordained/ designated the mouthpiece of God. Miriam and Aaron who where a prophetess and a priest spoke against Moses because of Moses'marriage to an Ethiopian woman. 1, And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. 2, And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it. 3, (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) 4, And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. 5, And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth. 6, And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. 7, My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. 8, With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? 9, And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed. 10, And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous. 11, And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned. 12, Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb. 13, And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee. 14, And the LORD said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again. 15, And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again. 16, And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the wilderness of Paran.  Recap: 8, With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?  PeterPan, In dealing with this group of presumptuous people, Moses had some tough decisions to make. Moses was so open and so yielded to God that He could make decisions or judgments which God mandated. Even the writing of divorcement which God yet hated. As the NT says: "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." 1Corinthians 7:15 (This chapter speaks on marriage) |
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OK, let me get this straight.
Are you claiming that Moses had God's blessing to make up laws? Even though it goes against the will of God? |
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Peter_Pan69
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That kinda sounds like what the Pope does? Do you submit to the authority of the Pope? |
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OK, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that Moses had God's blessing to make up laws? Even though it goes against the will of God? Not as simple as that, Peter. To "make-up" laws whimsically, no. Read: Exo_2:14, And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known. Read: Exo_18:13, And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening. Read: Act_7:35, This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. |
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That kinda sounds like what the Pope does? Do you submit to the authority of the Pope? No PeterPan. Don't be a "Funches" |
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That kinda sounds like what the Pope does? Do you submit to the authority of the Pope? No PeterPan. Don't be a "Funches" By giving Moses authority to re-write God's law, that is exactly what you are doing... Don't be a Pharisee |
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OK, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that Moses had God's blessing to make up laws? Even though it goes against the will of God? Not as simple as that, Peter. To "make-up" laws whimsically, no. Read: Exo_2:14, And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known. Read: Exo_18:13, And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening. Read: Act_7:35, This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. Two problems here. 1. God Word won't contradict God's Word. If Moses had been given authority to re-write God's law, it would have been God's law. Yashua contradicted it, so it can't be God's law. 2. I don't see where the authority was granted to Moses there. It just says God spoke with him mouth-to-mouth. |
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OK, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that Moses had God's blessing to make up laws? Even though it goes against the will of God? Do you recall that the Ten Commandments were written by the very finger of God, on Mount Sinai? All the decisions Moses made were relative to the Law of God. |
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OK, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that Moses had God's blessing to make up laws? Even though it goes against the will of God? Do you recall that the Ten Commandments were written by the very finger of God, on Mount Sinai? All the decisions Moses made were relative to the Law of God. OK, reasoning isn't going to work with you concerning Moses... Can you deal with this passage? Jeremiah 8:7-9 New International Version (NIV) 7 Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD. 8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? 9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have? |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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OK, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that Moses had God's blessing to make up laws? Even though it goes against the will of God? Not as simple as that, Peter. To "make-up" laws whimsically, no. Read: Exo_2:14, And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known. Read: Exo_18:13, And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening. Read: Act_7:35, This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. Two problems here. 1. God Word won't contradict God's Word. If Moses had been given authority to re-write God's law, it would have been God's law. Yashua contradicted it, so it can't be God's law. 2. I don't see where the authority was granted to Moses there. It just says God spoke with him mouth-to-mouth. Do a some research on this, PeterPan. Jesus did not contradict Moses' decision... He pointed out the limitations and liabilities placed on the divorced persons... Jesus said: 9, "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." |
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By giving Moses authority to re-write God's law, that is exactly what you are doing... Moses didn't rewrite God's Law. He judged among the people case by case, as any judge would today. Laws serve as standards. Some laws are not applicable because of circumstance. |
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OK, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that Moses had God's blessing to make up laws? Even though it goes against the will of God? Do you recall that the Ten Commandments were written by the very finger of God, on Mount Sinai? All the decisions Moses made were relative to the Law of God. OK, reasoning isn't going to work with you concerning Moses... Can you deal with this passage? Jeremiah 8:7-9 New International Version (NIV) 7 Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD. 8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? 9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have? I've conceded that the Moses discussion isn't going well, so as according to scripture, I won't bring that up again to you CeriseRose. The above quote is from a prophet who is obviously saying the scribes lied regarding God's law. How could this be if the Bible is 100% correct? |
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Revelation 3:16 (NIV) -- So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. The nature of man is NOT to do what God asks. Man's nature is to head for sin like a speeding hotrod drag racer. On the journey to a right relationship with Christ, some folks like to take the road of least resistance, which ends up being a compromised, liberal, "I'm gonna believe whatever I decide to believe", "Lukewarm" stance. Its a portion of their human nature that hasn't yet been nailed to the cross. Unfortunately, there are some who go about attempting to teach others about "their" view on the scriptures, howbeit they seem to be the only ones who believe in some particular way. 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV) -- Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. There is also a thought that there is wisdom in numbers, or I have heard it said "wisdom is in the counsel of many." Such as: Proverbs 11:14 (KJV) -- Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. --or-- Proverbs 15:22 (KJV) -- Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established. A couple things, too... we are bid to NOT forsake the assembling of ourselves together.. Hebrews 10:24-25 v24 - And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: v25 - Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. I know for years I was a "lonewolf Christian"... I would tell people I was a Christian, but I had a big blob of goo in my heart against what I called "organized religion." And in those days there were many things I started to "believe" that had nothing to do with God or the Bible. I even began to dabble in Voodoo and Wiccan things. Looking back, I know I was lost. I was outside of any good counsel group of believers, and I had gone astray. Praise God that he brought me back to the fold. From the 2 Peter 1:20 verse above, I noticed I would sometimes make up my own version of beliefs toward certain scriptures. But that is not God's way. There is but one God, and one Church, one Christ, one Baptism, ... and there is really only one true faith-walk that aligns with the scriptures. There are not many paths, but only one path, there are not many saviors, but only One Savior for all. Living outside of God's Grace and will for my life, I believed all kinds of things. I might say that these other-beliefs had become idols, gods (with a small "g") and they became for a time a matter of personal and selfish pride. I thought I was "enlightened" (not knowing I was deceived). Somehow I had gotten off the narrow path and had taken a turn down a wide path to destruction. One cannot just pick-and-choose which portions of scripture to believe, then discard the rest of the book. It doesn't work that way. The concept is to stand, as if a warrior, wearing God's armor. (Ephesians 6:10-17)(Isaiah 59:17) I truly believe the correct path is to live a "no compromise" walk with Christ. I think getting there is a lifetime achievement. Something we say often is that "failure is not final." Its just a saying, but there is a lot of truth in that. We (as Christians) are all in some stage of growth in our walk with God. We don't get "Perfect Pants" just by accepting Jesus. The first day of our Christian walk the angels are rejoicing, a few days later they might be fighting a spiritual battle on our behalf. Ephesians 6:12 states -- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." There is warfare in heaven on our behalf as these things of life are wrestled with. We might see a struggle in our physical existence, but the true battle is in spiritual places. Unfortunately some of these "wise" (cough-cough) "teachers" spring up with a "Ph.D." following their name, and then proceed to claim and pronounce most anything and everything. The Bible has something to speak of those who teach or attempt to teach the scriptures: ------------ 1 John 4:1-6 (NIV) v1 - Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. v2 - This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, v3 - but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. v4 - You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. v5 - They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. v6 - We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. ------------ The Bible tells us there are false prophets in the world, and as early as the days of these scriptures being written, the spirit of the antichirst was already in the world. 2nd Peter 2 devotes a whole chapter in the discussion of false prophets. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Peter+2&version=NIV From verse 1... "...They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves." ------------- The Christian of today, in order to live a no-compromise walk with Jesus, must pray daily (or as the Bible says, pray without ceasing - 1 Thessalonians 5:17 ), one must study the scriptures and test the spirits, not every person that stand up to proclaim God's message is from God, one must assemble with other believers as God created us as social creatures, not "lone wolves." (...It is not good for the man to be alone... Genesis 2:18). God's next act after creating Adam was to notice he was alone, and to create another person to be by his side. Plus the verse above about not forsaking the assembling of yourselves... (Hebrews 10:25). There is strength in numbers, and numbers that gather together with a common faith, not every one believing as he or she determines. An enemy divided will fall. (Matthew 12:25) It is the Christian who stands alongside his fellow Christian that will succeed in their walk with Christ. The sheep that goes astray might just get eaten by the wolves. Pray, ask for God's guidance, and know that there are false teachers out there spreading heresies and all types on non-truths. You know, I can sit here and quote scripture all day too, the funny thing is, I can use the same ones that you do. With more conviction I might add. 2 Peter 2:1-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Peter 2 False Teachers and Their Destruction 1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[.b] to be held for judgment; Footnotes: a.2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus b.2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy dungeons What we have here is scripture describing exactly what it is being done to itself. Pretty arrogant if you ask me. Tartarus is a Greek myth, a made up story. People will preach this myth as if it were true and claim "God is just". God is also merciful and Love. Yeshua commanded to love even your enemy, yet soooo many people rejoice in the thought that someone would be tormented forever and ever. (it's a MYTH people!) If any one of you has the feeling that the "sinners" get what they deserve, then you have not love and your heart should convict you of this. Here's the way it is folks, you're Christian. You're expected to test everything. Pay close attention to this verse, think long and hard on it. If you claim to believe the Bible then believe this... "They will secretly introduce destructive heresies," I am here to teach you how to find them... |
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Revelation 3:16 (NIV) -- So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. The nature of man is NOT to do what God asks. Man's nature is to head for sin like a speeding hotrod drag racer. On the journey to a right relationship with Christ, some folks like to take the road of least resistance, which ends up being a compromised, liberal, "I'm gonna believe whatever I decide to believe", "Lukewarm" stance. Its a portion of their human nature that hasn't yet been nailed to the cross. Unfortunately, there are some who go about attempting to teach others about "their" view on the scriptures, howbeit they seem to be the only ones who believe in some particular way. 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV) -- Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. There is also a thought that there is wisdom in numbers, or I have heard it said "wisdom is in the counsel of many." Such as: Proverbs 11:14 (KJV) -- Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. --or-- Proverbs 15:22 (KJV) -- Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established. A couple things, too... we are bid to NOT forsake the assembling of ourselves together.. Hebrews 10:24-25 v24 - And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: v25 - Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. I know for years I was a "lonewolf Christian"... I would tell people I was a Christian, but I had a big blob of goo in my heart against what I called "organized religion." And in those days there were many things I started to "believe" that had nothing to do with God or the Bible. I even began to dabble in Voodoo and Wiccan things. Looking back, I know I was lost. I was outside of any good counsel group of believers, and I had gone astray. Praise God that he brought me back to the fold. From the 2 Peter 1:20 verse above, I noticed I would sometimes make up my own version of beliefs toward certain scriptures. But that is not God's way. There is but one God, and one Church, one Christ, one Baptism, ... and there is really only one true faith-walk that aligns with the scriptures. There are not many paths, but only one path, there are not many saviors, but only One Savior for all. Living outside of God's Grace and will for my life, I believed all kinds of things. I might say that these other-beliefs had become idols, gods (with a small "g") and they became for a time a matter of personal and selfish pride. I thought I was "enlightened" (not knowing I was deceived). Somehow I had gotten off the narrow path and had taken a turn down a wide path to destruction. One cannot just pick-and-choose which portions of scripture to believe, then discard the rest of the book. It doesn't work that way. The concept is to stand, as if a warrior, wearing God's armor. (Ephesians 6:10-17)(Isaiah 59:17) I truly believe the correct path is to live a "no compromise" walk with Christ. I think getting there is a lifetime achievement. Something we say often is that "failure is not final." Its just a saying, but there is a lot of truth in that. We (as Christians) are all in some stage of growth in our walk with God. We don't get "Perfect Pants" just by accepting Jesus. The first day of our Christian walk the angels are rejoicing, a few days later they might be fighting a spiritual battle on our behalf. Ephesians 6:12 states -- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." There is warfare in heaven on our behalf as these things of life are wrestled with. We might see a struggle in our physical existence, but the true battle is in spiritual places. Unfortunately some of these "wise" (cough-cough) "teachers" spring up with a "Ph.D." following their name, and then proceed to claim and pronounce most anything and everything. The Bible has something to speak of those who teach or attempt to teach the scriptures: ------------ 1 John 4:1-6 (NIV) v1 - Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. v2 - This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, v3 - but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. v4 - You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. v5 - They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. v6 - We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. ------------ The Bible tells us there are false prophets in the world, and as early as the days of these scriptures being written, the spirit of the antichirst was already in the world. 2nd Peter 2 devotes a whole chapter in the discussion of false prophets. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Peter+2&version=NIV From verse 1... "...They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves." ------------- The Christian of today, in order to live a no-compromise walk with Jesus, must pray daily (or as the Bible says, pray without ceasing - 1 Thessalonians 5:17 ), one must study the scriptures and test the spirits, not every person that stand up to proclaim God's message is from God, one must assemble with other believers as God created us as social creatures, not "lone wolves." (...It is not good for the man to be alone... Genesis 2:18). God's next act after creating Adam was to notice he was alone, and to create another person to be by his side. Plus the verse above about not forsaking the assembling of yourselves... (Hebrews 10:25). There is strength in numbers, and numbers that gather together with a common faith, not every one believing as he or she determines. An enemy divided will fall. (Matthew 12:25) It is the Christian who stands alongside his fellow Christian that will succeed in their walk with Christ. The sheep that goes astray might just get eaten by the wolves. Pray, ask for God's guidance, and know that there are false teachers out there spreading heresies and all types on non-truths. You know, I can sit here and quote scripture all day too, the funny thing is, I can use the same ones that you do. With more conviction I might add. 2 Peter 2:1-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Peter 2 False Teachers and Their Destruction 1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[.b] to be held for judgment; Footnotes: a.2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus b.2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy dungeons What we have here is scripture describing exactly what it is being done to itself. Pretty arrogant if you ask me. Tartarus is a Greek myth, a made up story. People will preach this myth as if it were true and claim "God is just". God is also merciful and Love. Yeshua commanded to love even your enemy, yet soooo many people rejoice in the thought that someone would be tormented forever and ever. (it's a MYTH people!) If any one of you has the feeling that the "sinners" get what they deserve, then you have not love and your heart should convict you of this. Here's the way it is folks, you're Christian. You're expected to test everything. Pay close attention to this verse, think long and hard on it. If you claim to believe the Bible then believe this... "They will secretly introduce destructive heresies," I am here to teach you how to find them... (((Speaking of Liberal Theology))) PeterPan, You will not be teaching me anything. -->>> YOU are a perfect example of those who "secretly introduce destructive heresies". You claim that you are a Christian. Yet...in YOUR opinion the whole bible is to be sliced up and treated with suspicion and doubt! God's WORD is True!!! You are posting in the wrong Forum! Doubt in the authenticity of the Bible will not be taught in this Forum. You can take that back to the General Religion Forum. Skeptics are encouraged there. The Topic here was "Liberal Christian Theology" and then one reared his head! You are here to dispel the truth of God's Holy Word! 2 Peter 2: Rise of False Prophets 1, But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2, And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3, And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5, And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7, And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8, (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9, The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10, But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11, Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12, But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13, And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14, Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15, Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16, But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb *** speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17, These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18, For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19, While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20, For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21, For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22, But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. "Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight. O Lord, my Strength and my Redeemer!" |
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Psalms 19: Works and the Word of God 1, To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2, Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3, There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4, Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6, His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. 7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8, The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9, The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10, More to be desired are they than gold, yea, han much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11, Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. 12, Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13, Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14, Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God makes Himself known through three great books, all of which have as their theme the glory and handiwork of God. -The book of nature (Psa_19:1-6) is read by every human being. -The book of the law (Psa_19:7-14) converts the soul and becomes an unfailing guide. -The book of human life (Psa_19:12-14) is a Bible to the unsaved world and must therefore be maintained with unspotted pages.   |
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Psalm 19:7 King James Version (KJV) 7The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Jeremiah 23:1-5 New International Version (NIV) Jeremiah 23 The Righteous Branch 1 “Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares the LORD. 2 Therefore this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: “Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done,” declares the LORD. 3 “I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the LORD. 5 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will raise up for David[a] a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. |
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God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. PeterPan? That scripture is talking about Jesus . Jesus became sin for us so we would not have to carry the burden of our sins anymore..and all we need to do is believe and accept JESUS by faith... with a willing sincere heart ..and then we become born again, and become the righteousness of God. Then all our sins are forgiven..under the blood. Peterpan, we cannot save our selves..NOR can we pay the price for our sins...Jesus already paid the price in full on that cross at calvary...Jesus just asks that we receive Him by Faith and willingly , into our hearts..... PeterPan? Receive the free gift of grace Jesus offered.....and don't let the devil lie to you anymore ,PeterPan..he is a liar and just wants to keep you in the dark..but I am believing you will see The Truth now, and the Truth will set you Free!!!   Sorta yes, sorta no. You take things to far to the extreme. No we can't save ourselves, but Jesus won't do all the work himself either. Once one has accepted Jesus as LORD and savoir, they will then obey his commandments. If one doesn't obey his commandments his words of "having accepted Jesus" is mumbo jumbo and obviously isn't true. Yes, we will mess up time to time, don't get me wrong. Just one won't continue in the same sin over and over. One can not ask for forgiveness of something(s) while that person is in the process of doing it. |
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2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching. This directly contradicts Isaiah 7:14 and Luke 2. 3) Jesus did not rise again from the grave in bodily form. This contradicts the resurrection accounts in all four Gospels and the entire New Testament. I'm not "liberal", so I won't refute either claim, just the incorrect facts... Isaiah 7:14 is most suredly a mistranslation. I won't make no accusations as to who's fault, but it most certainly did NOT specify a virgin. http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/isa7.pdf עַלְמָה nf. lass, maiden, damsel, fraulein, mademoiselle, signorina בתולי v. to hang adj./n. virgin (masc.) adj. virgin (adj.) , virginal, maiden nm. virginity, maidenhood, chastity, hymen, maidenhead http://translation.babylon.com/hebrew/to-english/ The word used was עַלְמָה (damsel) Luke 2 simply references the wrong verse... Not saying it is or isn't, but even if THAT word is translated wrong, there are other references to Marry's purity, her virginity. Luke 1:34 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? |
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John 7:21-24 King James Version (KJV) 21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. 22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. 23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. "Law of Moses"??? Yashua didn't say "God's Law", so that must be man-made too. Matthew 15:8-10 King James Version (KJV) 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: This's one pretty obvious to me. Ezekiel 22:25-29 King James Version (KJV) 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. Doesn't anyone see the pattern in the Bible? |
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John 7:21-24 King James Version (KJV) 21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. 22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. 23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. "Law of Moses"??? Yashua didn't say "God's Law", so that must be man-made too. Matthew 15:8-10 King James Version (KJV) 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: This's one pretty obvious to me. Ezekiel 22:25-29 King James Version (KJV) 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. Doesn't anyone see the pattern in the Bible? John 7:21-24 King James Version (KJV) 21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. 22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. 23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? 24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. "Law of Moses"??? Yashua didn't say "God's Law", so that must be man-made too. Because God did not give the law directly to the people in general. He gave them to moses to give to the rest. |
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