Topic: ( ( ( Speaking of Liberal Christian Theology ) ) )
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Fri 03/02/12 10:31 PM
Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Fri 03/02/12 10:35 PM

PeterPan..you are completely misunderstanding what is being said!!


The scribes twisting Moses laws does NOT

mean that Moses Law ITSELF was twisted.



The fact that YOU are on here right now twisting God's Word,

does not mean God's Word ITSELF is twisted.


And this should not even have to be explained.


I tried one last time to help you see , yet you continue

twisting God' s Word.



I suggest you take your foolishness elsewhere...OUT of this

forum .


And Do NOT bring your foolish crap in here again!!!






This is not foolishness. This is exactly what is written in the Bible. Foolish is calling evil good and good evil.


Show me one verse that tells me the Bible is 100% correct. There are none, you know it and I know it.

If fact, near the end of Revelations there's a warning about changing it. A curse on those who would alter it, NOT a promise that it won't be corrupted.


You call it foolishness because you can't defend against it.


You can call me names all you want, imply that I'm deceived by the enemy, a heretic, whatever. I'm not trying to impress anyone here, if that were the case I'd be quiet. You nor any man can judge anyone's religion or relationship with God.


Exercise your free will people, we all have to right to become sons of God. Make your own decisions. You don't have to hate and fight your enemies. Christ is simplicty, not commandments of men.



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Fri 03/02/12 10:40 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Fri 03/02/12 10:40 PM
No...we just have better things to do with

out time than to waste it on foolishness on here.


And there are plenty of scriptures pointing to the

Inerrancy of the Word of God.

Look them up!!!


Take care.... I have said all I am going to say now on this

subject .




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Fri 03/02/12 10:49 PM

Isaiah 40:8
New International Version (NIV)


8 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God endures forever.”



Hebrews 8
New International Version (NIV)

Hebrews 8
The High Priest of a New Covenant
1 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a] 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[.b]:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]


13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Footnotes:
a.Hebrews 8:5 Exodus 25:40
b.Hebrews 8:8 Some manuscripts may be translated fault and said to the people.
c.Hebrews 8:12 Jer. 31:31-34

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Sat 03/03/12 05:38 PM
1 Corinthians 3
New International Version (NIV)

1 Corinthians 3
The Church and Its Leaders
1 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?
5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[a]; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”[.b] 21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas[c] or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

Footnotes:
a.1 Corinthians 3:19 Job 5:13
b.1 Corinthians 3:20 Psalm 94:11
c.1 Corinthians 3:22 That is, Peter


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Sat 03/03/12 06:08 PM
Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Sat 03/03/12 06:09 PM
Here are some more reasons to doubt the pagan doctrine of "Infallible"...

Jude 1:7
New International Version (NIV)

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.


Hmmmm, eternal? What does scripture have to say about Sodom's punishment?


[Ezekiel 16:48-63
King James Version (KJV)

48 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.

52 Thou also, which hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.

53 When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them:

54 That thou mayest bear thine own shame, and mayest be confounded in all that thou hast done, in that thou art a comfort unto them.


55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.

56 For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,

57 Before thy wickedness was discovered, as at the time of thy reproach of the daughters of Syria, and all that are round about her, the daughters of the Philistines, which despise thee round about.

58 Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the LORD.

59 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.

60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.

61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.

62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:

63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.


It says that Sodom will be returned to her former estate...




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Sat 03/03/12 06:14 PM
Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Sat 03/03/12 06:15 PM
And for those who wish to call me foolish, or even the call the things that I write foolish, I leave you to deal with you own condemnation in accordance with your own "infallible" position...



Matthew 5:22
New International Version (NIV)

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[a][.b] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[c] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.



Who "picks and chooses"? Not I...





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Sun 03/04/12 02:09 AM


Lamentations 3:30-32
New International Version (NIV)


30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
and let him be filled with disgrace.
31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.

32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.


How can there be eternal torment in an "infallible" Bible with this passage?



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Sun 03/04/12 03:45 AM


Psalm 8:2
New International Version (NIV)


2 Through the praise of children and infants
you have established a stronghold against your enemies,
to silence the foe and the avenger.



Psalm 143:11-12
New International Version (NIV)

11 For your name’s sake, LORD, preserve my life;
in your righteousness, bring me out of trouble.
12 In your unfailing love, silence my enemies;
destroy all my foes,
for I am your servant.


1 Samuel 2:9
New International Version (NIV)


9 He will guard the feet of his faithful servants,
but the wicked will be silenced in the place of darkness.
“It is not by strength that one prevails;





Awfully quiet in here, isn't it?



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Mon 03/05/12 09:39 PM


http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html


The "Truth", take it as you will and verify it if you doubt...



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Mon 03/05/12 11:47 PM
It seems some people have an agenda, not to get along and edify others, but to come here and stir up sensational babblings in order to "troll" the "Christian Singles" forum.

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2nd Timothy 2:14-16

v14 Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
v15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
v16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

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What's written in the last 7 pages of goo here is basically argumentative garbage. It is of no use for edifying, teaching out of love, but rather feeds the flesh and the lust of "being right."

Its ugly, selfish, and quite distasteful.

Witnessing grown adults bashing each other with words is NOT what I think Jesus has in mind for a right path for us to take.

Grow up and get a life, and stop beating each other up in God's name.


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Tue 03/06/12 12:19 AM

It seems some people have an agenda, not to get along and edify others, but to come here and stir up sensational babblings in order to "troll" the "Christian Singles" forum.

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2nd Timothy 2:14-16

v14 Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
v15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
v16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

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What's written in the last 7 pages of goo here is basically argumentative garbage. It is of no use for edifying, teaching out of love, but rather feeds the flesh and the lust of "being right."

Its ugly, selfish, and quite distasteful.

Witnessing grown adults bashing each other with words is NOT what I think Jesus has in mind for a right path for us to take.

Grow up and get a life, and stop beating each other up in God's name.





I'm quite sure the agenda was and is yours.

You questioned whether or not my beliefs were Biblical and they are. Every last one of them. Not one person has refuted what I say with solid scriptural evidence, only speculations of men.

Sure you can quote 2nd Timothy, but know that I already have. I'm not the one here imposing man-made rules contrary to scripture.


Grow up and get a life? What was that 1st response of yours about? (you don't have to answer, I already know)

People like you need to stop telling others that they're not following the right path else I will continue to show you how wrong your path is. Everyone's path is unique and it's up to God to draw them in. It's not about submission through rules, it's about changing the heart so that their will is the will of God.


Plain and simple, I do not believe the "infallible" theory, period.

Unless you can prove that I must believe it's 100%, word-for-word correct using scripture like you "required" of me, then this really is just a waste of time because I know what I know. I can prove what I know. You may or may not believe it, but it's not up to me to convince you... You have seen my "facts"...


It's all about faith, I have faith in Yahweh and Yashua, not a book.




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Tue 03/06/12 05:35 AM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 03/06/12 05:40 AM

Jesus says:


"Search the scriptures;

for in them ye think ye have eternal life:

and they are they which testify of me."



John 5:39"






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Tue 03/06/12 10:20 AM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 03/06/12 10:23 AM








TEN INCHES OF WATER


A boy was sitting in a park bench with one hand resting on an open Bible. He was loudly exclaiming his praise to God. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! God is great! he yelled without worrying whether anyone heard him or not.

Shortly after, along came a man who had recently completed some studies at a local University. Feeling himself very enlightened in the ways of truth and very eager to show this enlightenment, he asked the boy about the source of his Joy.

Hey, asked the boy in return with a bright laugh, Don’t you have any idea what God is able to do? I just read that God opened up the waves of the Red Sea and led the whole nation of Israel right through the middle.

The enlightened man laughed lightly, sat down next to the boy and began to try to open his eyes to the realities of the miracles of the Bible. That can all be very easily explained. Modern scholarship has shown that the Red Sea in that area was only 10 inches deep at that time. It was no problem for the Israelites to wade across.

The boy was stumped. His eyes wandered from the man back to the Bible lying open in his lap. The man, content that he had enlightened a poor
naive young person to the finer points of scientific insight turned to leave.

Scarcely had he taken two steps when the boy began to rejoice and praise louder than before. The man turned to ask the reason for this resumed jubilation.

Wow! Exclaimed the boy happily, God is greater than I thought!

Not only did He lead the whole nation of Israel through the Red Sea, He topped it off by drowning the whole Egyptian army in 10 inches of water!





www.turnbacktogod.com






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Tue 03/06/12 01:06 PM


Jesus says:


"Search the scriptures;

for in them ye think ye have eternal life:

and they are they which testify of me."



John 5:39"









Deuteronomy 4:15-19
New International Version (NIV)

Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.



Think about it people. Christians revering the cross would be like a Jew revering the swastika. It's unscriptural and actually defies it directly as noted above.




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Jesus says:


"Search the scriptures;

for in them ye think ye have eternal life:

and they are they which testify of me."



John 5:39"









Deuteronomy 4:15-19
New International Version (NIV)

Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.



Think about it people. Christians revering the cross would be like a Jew revering the swastika. It's unscriptural and actually defies it directly as noted above.






Sorta yes, sorta no. One does not worship the cross. The cross is memorabilia of what Jesus did for us all. It's a symbol of obedience to Christ. The cross in itself is not worshipped. Whom they put on the cross is.

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Tue 03/06/12 02:12 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 03/06/12 02:17 PM



Jesus says:


"Search the scriptures;

for in them ye think ye have eternal life:

and they are they which testify of me."



John 5:39"









Deuteronomy 4:15-19
New International Version (NIV)

Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.



Think about it people. Christians revering the cross would be like a Jew revering the swastika. It's unscriptural and actually defies it directly as noted above.







The Cross of Christ - Ministry Videos
robbwood1 Posted about a year ago


http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=7PPWKGNX





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Tue 03/06/12 02:46 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 03/06/12 03:18 PM

Galatians 6:14

"But God forbid that I should glory,
save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom the world is crucified unto me,
and I unto the world."





Philippians 3:18

"For many walk, of whom I have told you often,
and now tell you even weeping,
that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:"











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Tue 03/06/12 04:17 PM
I refuse to acknowledge pagan idols and concepts, PERIOD.


Crosses were worshipped in Egypt long before Christ. You do not have to worship it or pray to it, respecting it as though it has religious meaning is idolatry, plain and simple. Especially when used to symbolise human sacrifice. The "Jesus Fish" is also of pagan origin.

Cristmas is of pagan origin and there are direct quotes against X-mas trees as well. Easter is pagan. Halloween is pagan. Valentine's Day is of questionable ancestry. Those hollidays aren't Christian.

Hades and Tartarus are both Greek (pagan) myths. It has been foretold that these things would be introduced, and there is no denying it if you believe the Bible. Do you really want to try to convince me that the Greek gods and stories are real?


Look, I know what the problem is here. It's that I said I do not accept "Jesus'" death as atonement for my sins.

I accept his sacrifice, but as a sacrifice to bring us the Word of God, not as a pagan concept of atonement for sins... He said the same thing I'm saying, the scribes and Pahrisees are hypocrites, believe it. Could anything besides blood sacrifice satisfy God's never-ending, merciful judgement?



Isaiah 6:1-10
New International Version (NIV)

Isaiah 6
Isaiah’s Commission
1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:
“Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”

4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty.”

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”

And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

9 He said, “Go and tell this people:

“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”


Footnotes:
a.Isaiah 6:10 Hebrew; Septuagint ‘You will be ever hearing, but never understanding; / you will be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ / This people’s heart has become calloused; / they hardly hear with their ears, / and they have closed their eyes



I believe that the Bible is 100% inspired. As such, when the Bible predicts or reveals it's corruption, I believe it.


Why don't you???



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Tue 03/06/12 07:15 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 03/06/12 07:24 PM
Bible predicts or reveals MAN'S corruption,NOT the

bible's......simply because

there is NO CORRUPTION WHATSOEVER found in God's Holy Word.


God IS The WORD !!!

The LIVING WORD !!!!

The SWORD of thr Spirit....

sharper than any 2 edged sword !!!!


Also....in the old testament, sacrifices for sin had to be

repeated.....because they only offered temporary atonement for sin,

until Jesus came, that is....


but when

God offered up His Son Jesus as A FINAL sacrifice for our sins,


Jesus became the PERMANENT AND FINAL ATTONEMENT FOR ALL OUR

SINS... ONCE AND FOR ALL.



And NO man can come to the Father now but by Jesus.


NO OTHER WAY.

ONE WAY JESUS.


Jesus said, " I AM The WAY, The TRUTH , and The LIFE ....

NO man can COME to the Father BUT by Me."


Now Peter_Pan...... you can choose to believe Jesus was telling

the Truth, and accept Him into your heart...

OR.....

you can choose to believe Jesus was telling a lie.....

and reject Him.


Your choice.



God is already tugging on your heart strings....


But God will never go against your free will to CHOOSE...that is

Why God allows YOU to choose........either to accept

His Son Jesus whom He sent...or to reject Jesus whom God The

Father sent to SAVE us.

Your choice.



:heart:


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Tue 03/06/12 07:20 PM

Bible predicts or reveals MAN'S corruption,NOT the

bible's......simply because

there is NO CORRUPTION WHATSOEVER found in God's Holy Word.


God IS

The WORD.

The LIVING WORD.

the SWORD of thr Spirit....

sharper than any 2 edged sword...


Also....the above scripture mentioned above ,spoke of only

a TEMPORARY atonement for sin.....

in the old testament. scrifices for sin had to be

repeated.....because they offered only temporary atoneent,

until Jesus came, that is....

but when

God offered up His Son Jesus as sacrifice for our sins,


Jesus became the PERMANENT AND FINAL ATTONEMENT FOR ALL OUR

SINS...MADE ONCE AND FOR ALL.



And NO man can come to the Father but by Jesus.


NO OTHER WAY.

ONE WAY JESUS.


Jesus said, " I AM The WAY, The TRUTH , and The LIFE ....

NO man can COME to the Father BUT by Me."


Now...... you can choose to believe Jesus was telling the Truth,

OR..... you can choose to believe Jesus was telling a lie.

Your choice.


God is already tugging on your heart strings....


But God will never go against your free will to choose...that is

Why God allows YOU to choose........either to accept

His Son Jesus whom He sent...or to reject Jesus whom God The

Father sent to SAVE us.

Your choice.



:heart:





Yeshua said those things while he was alive...

Think about that for a minute. He offered salvation to all while ALIVE! He required not one person to accept his yet to happen sacrifice. Faith, plain and simple.

The whole atonement concept is pagan, there are no free passes, each will be judged according to their heart, Yeshua said so...