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John 7:21-24
King James Version (KJV)

21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.

22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


"Law of Moses"??? Yashua didn't say "God's Law", so that must be man-made too.





Matthew 15:8-10
King James Version (KJV)

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:


This's one pretty obvious to me.



Ezekiel 22:25-29
King James Version (KJV)

25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.

28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.

29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.


Doesn't anyone see the pattern in the Bible?









John 7:21-24
King James Version (KJV)

21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.

22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


"Law of Moses"??? Yashua didn't say "God's Law", so that must be man-made too.


Because God did not give the law directly to the people in general. He gave them to moses to give to the rest.



The law of Moses contradicted God's Law of Sabbath observance.
Yashua pointed out that they violate God's Law to circumcise on the 8th day regardless if it fell on the Sabbath.

They can break the Sabbath law to do a circumcision yet Yashua wasn't allow to heal a human on Saturday?



Are you actually supporting the scribes and Pharisees? Didn't Yeshua call them hypocrites?




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Thu 03/01/12 11:31 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Thu 03/01/12 11:57 PM
The lying pen of the scribes is referring to

those lying scribes in false religions, PeterPan...those

words Are NOT NOT addressing The Inerrant, Holy Sprit Inspired ,

God Breathed Words of The Holy Bible !!!


PeterPan....you are misundersrtanding what that scripture is saying.

In fact, every scripture you pointed out, you misunderstood.



But when you become born again....THEN the Holy Spirit Who

Will be IN You, will also teach you and lead you and guide

you into All Truth.

But until then you are NOT going to be able to Interpret

scriptures correctly....not matter how much you may think

otherwise.


Here...read this thru...this is what the lying pen is all about:

(See....you just took PART of scripture OUT OF

CONTEXT.....now..read ALL of the scriptures here, to see what

is REALLY being said here.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+7-8&version=NIV



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Thu 03/01/12 11:55 PM

The lying pen of the scribes is referring to

those lying scribes in false religions, PeterPan...those

words Are NOT NOT addressing The Inerrant, Holy Sprit Inspired ,

God Breathed Words of The Holy Bible !!!


PeterPan....you are misundersrtanding what that scripture is saying.

In fact, every scripture you pointed out, you misunderstood.



But when you become born again....THEN the Holy Spirit Who

Will be IN You, will also teach you and lead you and guide

you into All Truth.

But until then you are NOT going to be able to Interpret

scriptures correctly....not matter how much you may think

otherwise.


Here...read this thru...this is what the lying pen is all about:


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+7-8&version=NIV



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How can you call Judaism a false religion with a straight face?


8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?

The prophet was addressing Israel. Do false religion claim to have the law of the LORD???


I have not misunderstood anything. My mind is clear. My will is my own. I am not tricked into believing a delusion.

I tell you now, if your holy spirit makes you believe something that goes against your heart, then your holy spirit is not what you think it is. If you need to support lies with lies, it's not righteous, period...



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Fri 03/02/12 12:00 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Fri 03/02/12 12:01 AM
REPEAT:

READ ALL the scriptures here !!!



READ ALL....NOT just PART!!!!!!!


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Fri 03/02/12 12:02 AM
Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Fri 03/02/12 12:07 AM

REPEAT:

READ ALL the scriptures here !!!



READ ALL....NOT just PART!!!!!!!






I have, have you?



2 Peter 3:15-17
New International Version (NIV)

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.


2 Timothy 3:15-17
New International Version (NIV)

15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Footnotes:
a.2 Timothy 3:17 Or that you, a man of God,


Does that include the Gospel of Thomas, Jude, Mary, etc?
After all, there was no "Bible" in those days, just scriptures...

I suppose you wish to define which ones are acceptable for me to use?


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Fri 03/02/12 12:18 AM
I know The Bible is God breath what ever books that weren't put into are not necessarily, If you were God and know everything would you let the New Testament be lies? Give him some credit for our Lord. Would be interesting to read those books but there not there for a reason and for me that is because God didn't want in it if he did they would be there.

People seem to look for something to be wrong. But really think about it.

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Fri 03/02/12 12:20 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Fri 03/02/12 12:27 AM
DO FALSE RELIGIONS CLAIM TO HAVE THE TRUTH ???

YOU BETHCA!!!!



BUT....

WHEN ONE IS BORN AGAIN ,


ONE THEN IS ABLE TO KNOW THE TRUTH NOW......AND IS NOW ALSO

ABLE TO RECOGNIZE A LIE ..AND WILL FLEE FROM THE LIE!!!


BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW INDWELLING A BELIEVER ,WILL

LET THE BELIEVER KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!!



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Fri 03/02/12 12:25 AM
Exactly Carold.

But Only God can open his Eyes to The Truth of God's Word.


Not man.

No matter how much we may try to help ,it will be of God's

doing only...when he finally does see.


Nite all.

Have to go now.



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Fri 03/02/12 12:29 AM

I know The Bible is God breath what ever books that weren't put into are not necessarily, If you were God and know everything would you let the New Testament be lies? Give him some credit for our Lord. Would be interesting to read those books but there not there for a reason and for me that is because God didn't want in it if he did they would be there.

People seem to look for something to be wrong. But really think about it.



I have thought about it carold. For 35 years I've thought about it.

Don't get me wrong, I do have faith in the Bible. It shows a pattern of corruption and this corruption is even predicted in the very passage of the NT that is corrupted.


Read my points, let those who hear, listen...






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Fri 03/02/12 12:34 AM
There is no corruption in the bible!!!

There are no errors in God's Word !!!

But ONLY GOD can make you see.



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Fri 03/02/12 12:37 AM

There is no corruption in the bible!!!

There are no errors in God's Word !!!

But ONLY GOD can make you see.



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One day, when you are truly born again, you will see the truth.




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Fri 03/02/12 12:42 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Fri 03/02/12 12:44 AM
Like I said, false teachers think THEY have the Truth INSTEAD.

And have the audacity to call God's Word ERROR!!



I am not surprised however.


God said in the last days this would happen.



I for one will not waste further time with nonsense .

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Fri 03/02/12 12:44 AM


There is no corruption in the bible!!!

There are no errors in God's Word !!!

But ONLY GOD can make you see.



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One day, when you are truly born again, you will see the truth.




I have been born again and it was amazing reading the bible over again. For one I understood it. It all came together. Its all about LOVE.

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Fri 03/02/12 12:48 AM
I have been born again and it was amazing reading the bible over again. For one I understood it. It all came together. Its all about LOVE.



Questions?

Does eternal torment sound like love?

Isn't "Hades" a Greek myth?



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Fri 03/02/12 01:24 AM
Nope Hell is not a myth.We could be in it. God did cast down satan. Or maybe that is the second death real hell. Do you think u are going there?

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Fri 03/02/12 01:45 AM

Nope Hell is not a myth.We could be in it. God did cast down satan. Or maybe that is the second death real hell. Do you think u are going there?



No, but I'll be purified in the lake of fire... :)
Even if hell were real, it only says for an eon, NOT eternity.
Anyone can verify this.


From the wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades

Hades ( /ˈheɪdiːz/; from Greek ᾍδης (older form Ἀϝίδης), Hadēs, originally Ἅιδης, Haidēs or Άΐδης, Aidēs (Doric Ἀΐδας Aidas), meaning "the unseen"[1]) was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. The genitive ᾍδου, Haidou, was an elision to denote locality: "[the house/dominion] of Hades". Eventually, the nominative came to designate the abode of the dead. In Greek mythology, Hades is the oldest male child of Cronus and Rhea. According to myth, he and his brothers Zeus and Poseidon defeated the Titans and claimed rulership over the cosmos, ruling the underworld, air, and sea, respectively; the solid earth, long the province of Gaia, was available to all three concurrently.


Hades is most certainly a myth. The scriptures prophecise about people refusing God's law and turning to myths.


2 Timothy 4:3-5
New International Version (NIV)

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.



1 Timothy 1:3-5
New International Version (NIV)

Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. .



Titus 1:13-15
New International Version (NIV)

13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.




Nowhere in the Bible does it state that it will not be corrupted. I've showed a few examples that should convince you.
We are told to test everything.
It clearly shows several examples of man manipulating the texts and even prophecises that it will continue to happen.


As a Christian you should reject the myths, commandments of men, false doctrines, false teachers


There is no trickery needed to understand these very simple things.


You have God's law written on your heart, compare that to everything.



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Fri 03/02/12 01:52 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Fri 03/02/12 01:55 AM
One of the MAIN TACTICS the enemy especially uses

to DECEIVE people,


is to call TRUTH Error.....


and to call ERROR Truth!!!!


And UNTIL a person is BORN AGAIN, that person most likely will

not be able to tell the difference !!!!!


But THANK GOD....When one is BORN AGAIN , that born again

believer NOW IS ABLE (Thru the Holy Spirit IN him) to tell the

difference between TRUTH and Error !!!!!!!!!


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Fri 03/02/12 02:00 AM

One of the MAIN TACTICS the enemy especially uses

to DECEIVE people,


is to call TRUTH Error.....


and to call ERROR Truth!!!!


And UNTIL a person is BORN GAIN, that person will not be able to

tell the difference !!!!!


But THANK GOD....When one is BORN AGAIN , that born again

believer NOW IS ABLE to tell the difference between TRUTH and

Error !!!!!!!!!


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I know you love me...



Isaiah 5:20-21
New International Version (NIV)

20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.


2 Timothy 4:5
New International Version (NIV)

5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.


Titus 1:15
New International Version (NIV)

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.


You see me as the enemy, I see you as a brother.

Let go of the hate....







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Fri 03/02/12 02:09 AM


2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
New International Version (NIV)

10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.




STOP BELIEVING THE LIE!!!





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Fri 03/02/12 02:13 AM
Let go of the hate, Stop believing the lie that is what I'm trying to tell you flowerforyou