"to be born again by [my] definition?" ? ? ?

The way to salvation is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 16:31

The opposite of being saved is to perish.


John 3:

16, For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish,
but have everlasting life.

17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.

18, He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19, And this is the condemnation,
that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil.

20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light,
neither cometh to the light,
lest his deeds should be reproved.

21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light,
that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in God.

Peter, as for the law...

"For Christ is the end of the law
for righteousness
to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4

Peterpan... also Notice what the scripture above


says:

" CHRIST is the end of the law FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS to

everyone that believeth "


Now notice....


It did NOT say Christ is the end of the law......to everyone

that believeth....


but


Christ is the end of the law FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS


to everyone that believeth."

Peter_pan69, your statement reminds me
of The episode of Jesus and the rich young ruler:


Matthew 19:


16, And, behold,
one came and said unto him, Good Master,
what good thing shall I do,
that I may have eternal life?

17, And he said unto him,
Why callest thou me good?
there is none good but one, that is, God:
but if thou wilt enter into life,
keep the commandments.

18, He saith unto him, Which?
Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19, Honour thy father and thy mother:
and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20, The young man saith unto him,
((( all these things have I kept from my youth up:
what lack I yet?)))

21, Jesus said unto him,
If thou wilt be perfect,
go and sell that thou hast,
and give to the poor,
and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:
and come and follow me.

22, But when the young man heard that saying,
he went away sorrowful:
for he had great possessions.

23, Then said Jesus unto his disciples,
Verily I say unto you,
That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24, And again I say unto you,
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle,
than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25, When his disciples heard it,
they were exceedingly amazed,
saying, Who then can be saved?

26, But Jesus beheld them,
and said unto them,
With men this is impossible;
but with God all things are possible.

...

Are you saying that those who do not know about Jesus will perish?

If you knew anything about me, you'd be ashamed of this...

what did your Bible tell you about those who do not believe in Him?

Cerise quoted scripture that says they will perish. I read the same Bible too, I just don't believe everything in it.

That's our current problem. They say I must believe everything that they believe and I say I must believe the Bible.

My Bible teaches me to discern the spirits, to seek the truth, to gaurd my mind, to seek wisdom, to renounce myths, to reject false teachers, to reject unsound doctrine, to not worship God the way the heathens do.


Start from page 1, my case is very simple.

I gave 4 examples as to why one should reject the notion that the Bible is the "Infallible Word of God".


I'll leave you with one more:

2 Timothy 4:2-4
New International Version (NIV)

2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.



The last I checked, Hell was a translation from "Hades" among others.

Hades is a greek myth.

Should I believe the myth? Or should I do what the Bible says and reject false techings?

God will NEVER ask You to Reject ANY of God's Holy Word.

Which is why I have no problem rejecting all the Pagan myths.

Which is why I reject Moses' law concerning divorce, Yeshua said it was not God's law...

And God does NOT require that you MUST do anything.

God wants you Believe in Him With Your Whole

Heart ,PeterPan....and Trust in His Word ..and come To Him

WILLINGLY By FAITH....

Not because You MUST.


But God Will Draw You First, PeterPan.......and Will Prepare Your

heart to Believe and Receive Him, First...Cause God knows You

are not able to Believe On Your Own...without Him First Drawing You.....

None of us could come to God on our own either, without God

first wooing us....convicting us....drawing us....


But When God Draws You PeterPan....Don't Turn Him Away.....

How condecending of you. I appreciate that, really I do.


I have more faith than you will know, stop assuming I don't.

Debate the facts or admit you have no answer for them. Bring the Spirit of Truth to help you. I'm not afraid.


Support your myths and your traditions with whatever hocus-pocus suits you, but stop telling me I'm not a Christian if I don't believe like you do.


I'm dealing with facts about what's in the Bible of which not one person nor ghost has refuted.


How can you call the Bible 100% correct if Yeshua says Moses made up the law concerning divorce?

Please, no more idle scripture, I want your honest answer...

PeterPan, this a Christian Forum.

On what foundation do you base your faith as a Christian?

Yeshua... The rock...

You can imply that I'm not Christian all you want, I will NEVER deny my faith.



John 1:11-13
New International Version (NIV)

11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.



1 John 3:22-24
New International Version (NIV)

22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


Now, what was Jesus' name?

Yehoshua or Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Transliteration: Yehoshua or Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua


"the LORD is salvation".... Now that's a name I can believe in...




I will ask again:
"How can you call the Bible 100% correct if Yeshua says Moses made up the law concerning divorce?"


CeriseRose, what foundation do you base your faith on?

Matthew 19:


7, "They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8, He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9, And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

In v9 here PeterPan...Jesus is not accusing Moses of fabricating or going against the law.

He simply says in the beginning it was not so.
But because of the hardening of the people's hearts.
Moses allowed it in certain cases.

The Law...remember was a schoolmaster.

It was teaching man about himself and his shortcomings to the standards of a Righteous, Sovereign God."




"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster
to bring us unto Christ,
that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come,
we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Galatians 3:24, 25

No, the "Law" is part of the book that you and MorningSong keep telling me is 100% true and error-free.

If Moses' law concerning divorce did not come from God, then the Book is partly written by man.


You cannot deny this, can you?

Moses was the mouthpiece of God.

His role was a foreshadow of Christ.

Answer plainly please.

Moses was never accused in the OT
nor the NT as representing God falsely.

His lawgiving was never labeled as unauthorized.

Matthew 19:


7, "They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8, He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.



Moses gave the command, not God.


Unless you wish to deny the words of Yashua???