..as you said before.

I'll test this theory out.

I'll massacre thousands and say,

'What? That isn't genocide. It's judgement.'

Even despite how ridiculous sounds; I already know your response to that will be, 'But you are not God, and only God can pass judgement'.

So, let us skip that step.

This is the part where I ignore the fact you used the word, 'righteous reward'. I doubt the Egyptians nor those who drowned in the Flood would call that a 'reward' nor 'righteous'.

So, instead, let us just say that the word, 'judgement' is your way of not only justifying his acts of genocide but it also makes him both clear of guilt and clear of hypocrisy.

...right.

..and you see nothing wrong with believing that I will just assume and speak no more on it, before emotions best left out of this come out.

The very term 'Father' means little to me.
I've never felt the presence of a 'Father' whether almighty or made of flesh and bone. I may, as it might be proper to say, have never felt the presence of either.

Despite that, I have... for years.
When I received no 'out of the blue' answer, I began to ask the religious, both these questions and why I receive no answer..

..and the answer seems to always be relatively the same.

..an answer that isn't actually an answer..

@ morningsong
your advice is very nice and graet, but it lack direction and honesty, when you said that something is dangerous. means that it contains something very bad

i will only ask you few question. Morningsong
1 is what makes it all the things i said HERESY

2 I WILL LIKE TO ASK HOW MANY CHILDREN DID ADAM AND EVE HAVE?

3IS AN ADVICE TO YOU, IS THAT WHEN EVER YOU SEE ANYTHINGS GOING ON EXPECIALLY FROM THE BODY OF CHRIST AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, AND YOU QUICKLY START TO SPEAK EVIL AGAINST IT,


WHAT HAPPEN TO YOUR FIRST BORN, WHILE MUST YOU BE BORN AGAIN?#

ALL THIS LINKS YOU PROVIDE ABOVE IS NOT A BIBLE MESSENGER, BUT THEY ARE ENEMY OF THE TRUTH, WHICH SATAN RAISE TO FIGHT THE TRUTH,
BUT GOD WILL ALWAYS RESERVE HIMSELF A VOICE IN THE LAND.

MORNINGSONG QUOTE AND SAYS =:THIS FALSE DANGEROUS TEACHINGE IS ONE OF THE WORST.....AND

[ IS NOT SCRIPTURAL AT ALL, BUT ONLY TWISTS AND MISUSES SCRIPTURE ]

YOUR PROBLEM IS BCOS YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE DEONMINATIONAL PRECHERS, WHO OUT OF JEALOUSY OF WHAT THEY WILL EAT IS FIGHTING THE MAN THAT OPEN OUR EYES TO THE BIBLE TEACHING SINCE ALL THIS WHILE,

IT IS IN THE PREACHING OF THIS MAN THAT OUR EYES OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE OPEN TO THE SCRIPTURE THAT DOES NOT PERMIT A WOMAN PREACHER, ALL THIS THINGS ARE IN THE BIBLE, BUT OUR EYES WERE CLOSE TO IT,

UNTILL THIS MAN MINISTRY SPRANG UP,

MANY PEOPLE INCLUDING YOU MORNINGSONG, YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SAVE JUST BECAUSE A PREACHER SAYS, YOU SHOULD SAY AFTER HIM, THEN YOU ARE BORN AGAIN, WHAT HAPPEN TO YOU FIRST BORN, WHILE MUST YOU BE BORN AGAIN?
AND WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT TRUTH, WHAT YOU NEED IS HOLYGHOST SO THAT GOD WILL SAVE YOU FROM THE DESTRUCTION THAT IS COMING TO THIS EARTH.


2 Peter 2:9 TO 20

9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb *** speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

17These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

18For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

LISTEN TO THIS VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbfRWoz4YI&feature=autoplay&list=PLB4ACECA1370078F2&lf=mh_lolz&playnext=4

..which ultimately leads back to the point I've been trying to make for the past, what, 4 pages of this thread? o.o

God. Not the ACTUAL being, I am speaking the IDEA of God, has done absolutely little to NO good for the planet as a whole.

It has caused wars, death, famine, chaos, destruction, and genocide on massive scales. It is as if religion itself has inched us towards a dark path, and once it become widely spread and practiced, it is now a path we can no longer escape.

But there is just one question I want, for one religious person to answer, truthfully.

Why did God lie to Adam?

"Eat of this tree, you will surely die."

So that when the snake came and said, "Psh, don't believe dat fool, dog, he's whacked. You ain't gonna die."

The Devil didn't lie.

Explain that, please.
I'm not saying nor meaning it rudely.
To emphasize that, I even made the Snake talk like a gangsta. :D

I asked this question to my pastor when I was 7...
..I'm now 31. I've still never gotten an answer that made sense.

I don't understand why the omni-God would lie when he knew it would not work.
I don't understand why the bible itself portrayed God to be a liar and the Devil to be a truth-teller.

God, by his own standards, would have stated the real reason he desired you not to eat of this tree.

One last tid-bit.

If man didn't obtain free-will until he had eaten from the tree of knowledge..
..why do we proclaim that Eve was 'tempted'?

Without free-will, wouldn't you simply do what you are told to do without question?

..or am I misconceiving the term, 'free-will'?

I'm not entirely clear..
..it's been a while.

But I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't
have the word dumb*** in it. O.o

my FRIEND, I WILL ONLY ASK YOU TWO QUESTION, AND FROM THIS QUESTION I WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION,
1
DO YOU BELIEVE THE GOD OF THE BIBLE?

2 AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT BIBLE IS WRITTEN BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD?
I NEED AN ANSWER TO THESE QUESTION THEN I WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION CLEARLY

..what's with the caps? You yelling at me? O.o


..to an extent. What I don't believe, or more astutely put, is our modern day portrayal of Him. Nor how we 'justify' his actions.



..the spirit of God? No. It was written by man, the Bible even says as much and always states something along the lines of, 'Man cannot grasp the meaning of the Bible'. Which I find ludicrous in itself. If we cannot understand, how can anyone proclaim to understand it?

Only the chosen few Mystics are allowed to understand it,by some unspecified Means!
That's the Twist!

____________
What is mysticism? Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without evidence or proof, either apart from or against the evidence of one’s senses and one’s reason. Mysticism is the claim to some non-sensory, non-rational, non-definable, non-identifiable means of knowledge, such as “instinct,” “intuition,” “revelation,” or any form of “just knowing.”

Reason is the perception of reality, and rests on a single axiom: the Law of Identity.

Mysticism is the claim to the perception of some other reality—other than the one in which we live—whose definition is only that it is not natural, it is supernatural, and is to be perceived by some form of unnatural or supernatural means.

Quoted from

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/mysticism.html
_________________

Agreed, Conrad, agreed.

However, I 'play' along, so that one day, as I hope wholeheartedly, someone can back their belief without stating, Peter says this, John said that or ask God and he will answer; and they conjure a response that makes sense.

Truth is, Peter, Paul--all names associated with something that created the origins for most disbelief. Secondly, God hasn't answered.

So, either A. I'm already a lost cause, abandoned, no longer his child, and a branded condemned. Or, B. God can't answer, because he doesn't exist.

WELL !! BASE ON YOUR REPLY, IF I GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION S, YOU WILL NOT ACCEPT IT, SO THAT IS TO SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT SINCERELY ASKING FOR THE QUESTION, RATHER YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN ARGUEMENT , WHICH I DON'T HAVE THE TIME,

THE PERIOD THE GOSPEL IS IN NOW, IS A CLOSING PERIOD OF GOSPEL. SO DOES THAT ARE WILLING TO BE SAVE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE CHANCE RATHER THAN TO GO INTO ARGUEMENT.


LOOK AT THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbfRWoz4YI&feature=autoplay&list=PLB4ACECA1370078F2&lf=mh_lolz&playnext=4

So here I sit, and find myself judged once more.

..but it was both typical and as I expected.

Ok, now, I'm insulted.

Instead of even attempting to give me an answer, and then choosing to ignore my response to it...

..you give me a 2 hour video about the Serpent crap Morning spoke of?!

Seriously?

*sigh*

..and that African chick singing wtf ever she was singing in the beginning was REALLY annoying..

I watched .06 of it. >.>

..I already don't 'need' anyone to 'ask' my questions.
So, that's irrelevant.

..and if I watch it, waste my time, and don't find my answers?

I'll be sure to come back.

Marrion and Johnmontell....Nazis also followed this false dangerous doctrine.

I realize you both, along with other followes of this

dangerous doctrine ,are not aware you have been greatly

decieved by this false teaching.


In fact, I know that if any oppose this serpent seed teaching,

they are told they are a kenite( of the devil seed)....and

are made to feel like an outcast...and are terribly rejected

by the rest of the group, and treated like the devil himself.


That is why so many in this cult cannot leave....because they

are actually condemned to hell as a devil ,and are so

rejected by others in the cult, that they stay in the cult and

say nothing, in order to not be an outcast by others in the

cult.



And any who do leave the cult,are treated as outcasts

for life....and are looked upon as the devil's seed , and are

also told that they can never be saved by

God ever..because they are told they are of the devil and God

will never ever save them ...and so therefore, those people who

leave are condemened with no hope forever.

they are told since they leave, it is proof that they are of

the devil....and are condemned thru the misuse of

scriptures against them.



Marrion and Johnmontell.....do you undersand why this is now such

a dangerous cult you are involved in? I know you 2 are

sincerely beleiving you two have the Truth...when you are

in fact, not even aware that you both have fallen for

a terrible deception.

I can only pray.


This is how the enemy works....he deceives many..and puts

precious peope into this horrific religious bondage to

this false teaching from the pits of hell.



Hitler and The Nazis followed this horrific false

doctrine..that is why they were so able to be decieved by

Hitler into killing 6 million jews..they were lied to, and

told they were killing jews who were the devil's seed.....and

now you two have fallen for that same lie.


I can only pray..and I will pray that you two, as well as all

people involved in this cult,will be deliveved from this

false teaching.

The Shepherd's Chapel is another group that teaches this heresy also.



[1]NAZI THEOLOGY

According to Nazi/Satanic Theology, Eve did have sex with

the "Serpent", the devil, and gave birth to Cain. This teaching

then twists the Bible, just as a swastika twists the cross as it

says Cain's Line survived the Great Flood and the Jews and the

blacks are the children of Satan, "serpent seed".

Hitler believed that when he "cleansed" the earth of the "serpent

seed", the Aryan super gods would return to earth, set up the

Golden Age of Mankind and anoint Hitler as "king of the world".


.........

Question: "What is the Serpent Seed doctrine?"



Answer: The serpent seed doctrine is a belief based on poor biblical

interpretation and superstition. It is a primary doctrinal resource

for those who want to use Scriptures to justify racial prejudice.

The serpent seed doctrine is also closely related to other

erroneous beliefs such as the Christian Identity Movement and the

Kenite doctrine.


Like many false beliefs, it has a built-in defense

mechanism; that is, anyone who disagrees with it is accused of

being a son of the serpent. One of the most unfortunate problems

with the serpent seed doctrine is that is so heavily relies on

prejudice and warped biblical interpretation that it can be very

difficult to discuss rationally.



Simply stated, the serpent seed doctrine teaches that the sin of Eve

was not simple disobedience, but sexual contact with the serpent,

and that Cain was the son of Eve and the devil. Cain’s descendants

are, according to this idea, the sons of Satan, and this includes

most any race or group that the serpent-seed believer chooses to

dislike.

This idea is rooted in superstitious beliefs and is

particularly popular with white supremacists and anti-Semites; the

Unification Church also supports this idea. Noted false prophets

and false teachers such as Arnold Murray of Shepherd’s Chapel and

William Branham espoused the idea. Although an idea should not be

criticized when it is wrongly applied, it is appropriate to condemn

an idea when it logically leads to sin.

A philosophy that teaches that some races or people are universally

satanic, like the serpent seed doctrine, is one such philosophy.



Those who support serpent-seed ideas cite many passages in the Bible

as proof that their idea is correct. Almost without exception,

these “proofs” require an interpretation that is totally

inappropriate to the context of the passage.


For example, Genesis 3:13 is often cited, with the claim that the

word translated “beguiled” in the King James Version really

meant “seduced.” Context and scholarship would disagree. Proverbs

30:20 metaphorically compares eating and sexual immorality; this is

greatly overstated by the serpent-seed believer as proof that the

Fall was sexual.


Other passages include Jude 1:14, and the parable

of the tares in Matthew chapter 13. Those who believe in the

serpent seed doctrine teach that Jesus’ description of

the “children of the devil” in this parable is true in a biological

sense. Again, only one who is trying to force this belief into the

Bible will see it this way; it is not naturally read out of

Scripture.



There are literally dozens of places in the Bible where this false

idea has been wedged in, yet every single one requires a person to

believe in the serpent-seed idea beforehand. Only by reading a

passage and saying, “If you assume that the serpent seed doctrine

is true, then this means…” can a person support this false

philosophy.


For this reason, arguing against the serpent seed

doctrine can be difficult. Those who believe it interpret Scripture

through a sort of “serpent-seed lens,” and are not likely to accept

other interpretations, no matter how well supported by context and

scholarship.



There are some basic questions and contradictions inherent to the

serpent seed doctrine that can be used to demonstrate its lack of

truth. For example, Galatians 3:28 clearly states that race and

gender have no impact on our standing with God. Second Peter 3:9

says that God wants everyone to be saved, not “everyone but the

children of Cain.” Nowhere in Scripture is anyone identified as

a “Kenite” or condemned based on being from Cain’s lineage. Never

are we warned about such people by the New Testament writers.



Also ,there is the question of how or why such persons survived the

flood. The doctrine supposes that original sin was sexual, but

cannot explain why the whole remainder of the Bible lays out a

worldview where the original sin was disobedience, not sexuality.



This philosophy is most unfortunate in that it leads directly and

logically to two main problems. Racism is by far the worst;

believing that certain races are irredeemable has no positive

application. The only possible outcome of such a worldview is

prejudice and bigotry. There is also a tendency to dismiss critics

of the serpent seed doctrine as being the very “Kenites” the

philosophy believes in. Arnold Murray is particularly guilty of

this abuse. Fortunately for believers, God has given us a resource

in Scripture that can show us the truth. We need only read it with

unbiased and open eyes to find true wisdom.

...................................................

I think it it that way for people who feel safe in their freedom. When there is no fear people question more things if they can step away from the blinders to explore.

Do you not have to apply what the learn from the book to what is happening in your world?


How can you do that when the book does not give examples of how to think about things that are not spoken of in the book?

EVERYONE PLEASE ANSWER TO QUESTIONS BELOW BY

Compare please what book of Islam say to what book of Christian say to what book of Jews say about -

How should we get to know and be friends with people from other countries?

If the people in a Christian country no more have clean water, what do the books say that Islam and Jewish countries should do?

If the people in a Buddhist country no more have food for the children, what do the books say that Islam and Jewish and Christian should do?

If a plague strikes many countries and only your country has way to help, what does your book say you should do?

THEN THINK - What have people done in the past, what do we do today?

@ morningsong,
IT IS QUITE CLEAR TO ME. THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS A BIG LIE, THIS TEACHING IS A BIBLE ROOTED TEACHING, AND IT CAN NEVER DISCRIMINATE FROM BLACK OR WHITE,

AND I UNDERSTAND VERY WELL, THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO CONTROL OTHERS, IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR TERMS AND CONDITION, THEN THEY WILL BE YOUR ENEMY,

GOSPEL HAVE IT LAY DAWN RULES AND IT IS ALL IN THE BIBLE,
STOP SPEAK LIES OUT OF HATRED PREACHES TO YOU BY THE DENOMINATIONAL PREACHERS, BCOS WE HAVE THE BIBLE AND YOU BELIEVE ALSO TO HAVE THE BIBLE, WHEN YOU ARE ONLY FOOLING YOURSELF TO CLAIM THAT YOU HAVE THE HOLYGHOST WHICH YOU NEVER HAVE,

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THE HOLYGHOST, YOU WILL NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK EVIL OF BIBLE TEACHING, IT IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST MANIFESTING THROUGH ALL THIS DENOMINATION, THEY ARE JUST BRAGING AROUND BECAUSE OF THEIR BELLY [WHAT TO EAT] TO MAKE MACHANDISE OF THE GOSPEL,

1 Timothy 2:12 it is through THIS SAME BIBLE GOSPEL TEACHING WHICH TOLD THE CHILDREN OF GOD THAT A WOMAN IS NOT PERMITED TO PREACH, THEY ARE ALL IN THE BIBLE THERE, BUT WHO EXPLAIN IT TO US?
NOBODY WHILE THE CHURCH WAS DYING IN DEEP SLUMBER, AND YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE CHRISTIAN ,YET YOU REFUSE TO ABIDE BY THE BIBLE

YOU ARE NEVER A CHRISTIAN , SO STOP DECIEVING PEOPLE ON THE SITE



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiRqn1g-ghw&feature=g-all-u&context=G29d7ac4FAAAAAAAAAAA

Dear Prophets Who Spread This Video.

I watched it, in its entirety.

However, my response to it, which was free of argumentative hate or disrespect, I forged in a new thread for it is quickly becoming unrelated to this post.

If you look, you'll see it.

Your version, which now I grasp, raises two major issues.

One. God is NOT God, because he is far too closely related to man in that aspect that he would then hold nearly ALL of man's imperfections. Thus, he is not Omni-anything; that alone is against the Bible.

Two. Because he 'can' or because he 'wanted' to; does that truly qualify as an answer to you?

Seriously, God was outsmarted by his own creation, Satan, and tempted Eve with a tree and lied to her; because.. he could? That is completely absent of logic in all aspects.

So, unless you now answer the new questions you created; that video was entirely counter productive.

Johnmontell and Marrion....

I will be praying for you both...

and will leave it at that.