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If a muslim doing bad!its not mean,That islam allow him to do it.for example gay marriage is common in non muslim socity.we muslim dont blaim on your religion.that your religion allow you to do it Hey Khan327 Which religion gives that permission ????? Today that is matter of free choice , freedom , tolerance ,democracy. |
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Edited by
Sin_and_Sorrow
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Thu 02/16/12 01:22 PM
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If a muslim doing bad!its not mean,That islam allow him to do it.for example gay marriage is common in non muslim socity.we muslim dont blaim on your religion.that your religion allow you to do it Lie. If you didn't 'blame' our religion. Why would you be so hellbent on 'destroying' us? Hypocritical and it is against the very beliefs you are portraying here. So are you in fact a Muslim or not? Furthermore. No religion I've encountered 'permits' homosexuality. Country, yes, religion not so much. |
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Lo! Thou art on sublime morals johm...this is the say of allah for mohammed So is god said to Mohammed to get 6 year old girl for wife and marry her when she became 9 year old ? How many wives had Mohammed ? Or that doesn't concern morality ? |
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Conrad_73
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Thu 02/16/12 01:33 PM
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The jews and christians say; we are loved one of allah.why then doth he chastise you for your sins.they indeed have disbelieved who say.messiah is son of god. They surely disbelieve who say;lo! Allah is but the messiah son of mary.and the messiah himself said;o children of isreal , worship of allah my lord and your lord.lo! Whose ascrbeth partners unto allah, for him allah hath forbidden paradise, his abode is the fire. The messiah,son of mary.was no other than a messenger.messiah not son of allah. And when allah will say.o jesus son of marry!didst thou say unto mankind;take me and my mother for two gods beside allah?he saith;glory to be thee it did not befit me to utter that to which i had no right QURAN DENY IT BY GOPEL IF YOU CAN |
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And when when jesus son of mary said.o son of isreal!lo i am the messenger of allah on to you.confirming that which was before me in torah? And bringing good tiding of a messenger who cometh after me.WHOSE NAME IS MOHEMMAD .QURAN here jesus prove that mohammed is messenger of allah.if jesus prove it then you have any right to deny mohammed(PBUH) |
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Lo! Thou art on sublime morals johm...this is the say of allah for mohammed 
Show me some love now and I'll believe you |
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Johnn.
He can't. Love is against the Islam belief. |
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Johnn. He can't. Love is against the Islam belief. That is an unfair statement. If he's willing to be out numbered and discuss, at least be fair. |
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Johnn. He can't. Love is against the Islam belief. That is an unfair statement. If he's willing to be out numbered and discuss, at least be fair. Unfair? It's but the truth. Forced marriages. Covering of women. How they handle those who 'choose' anything against their belief. Leading to the resulting 9/11. Other 'terrorist' attacks. All in the name of 'God'. The words in it. The actions taken by it. It leaves little room for doubt. As to what their 'religion' truly stands for. |
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Johnn. He can't. Love is against the Islam belief. That is an unfair statement. If he's willing to be out numbered and discuss, at least be fair. Unfair? It's but the truth. Forced marriages. Covering of women. How they handle those who 'choose' anything against their belief. Leading to the resulting 9/11. Other 'terrorist' attacks. All in the name of 'God'. The words in it. The actions taken by it. It leaves little room for doubt. As to what their 'religion' truly stands for. Ok..you know what love is for every single muslim.. How clumsy of me. Disregard. |
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Edited by
Sin_and_Sorrow
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Thu 02/16/12 02:13 PM
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Johnn. He can't. Love is against the Islam belief. That is an unfair statement. If he's willing to be out numbered and discuss, at least be fair. Unfair? It's but the truth. Forced marriages. Covering of women. How they handle those who 'choose' anything against their belief. Leading to the resulting 9/11. Other 'terrorist' attacks. All in the name of 'God'. The words in it. The actions taken by it. It leaves little room for doubt. As to what their 'religion' truly stands for. Ok..you know what love is for every single muslim.. How clumsy of me. Disregard. I'm speaking of the religion, Islam. Not Muslims. Either way. The statements I made up above. By their own religion, that cannot speak against them. For to do such, is to speak against their God, and thus, ultimately. This would make them 'infidels' as well. Therefore, by default, they instead seek to defend said actions. Which can only be done by stating, 'it is God's will'. No Muslim wants to be deemed an 'infidel'. They know the 'punishment'. So, if my logic is that absurd. Please, tell me how I should think of said issue? Losing a cousin in a skyscraper.. ..because 'God' demanded it.. Doesn't give me much room for leniency despite how I may try. |
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Know what Ladylid.
I apologize. You are right. I'm not being fair and far too biased for this debate/conversation. My personal experience is affecting my own personal judgement. Especially related to this issue. So, therefore, I recant my statements. And you should not feel obliged to respond. I'll say no more on this subject. Salutations. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 02/16/12 02:48 PM
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Many of the things being discussed are a mixture of culture, Religion, and a puritan mindset, not all specific to Islam in general, perhaps some are to specific groups within Islam. Remember that the puritan mindset is center focus for certain groups of Christians here in the US. Which hold and practice traditions of covering of women bodies . . . they just dont use the same clothing to achieve the same results, nor require the same level of coverage necessarily, but that is more a product of the different cultures.
Try to remember that Christians have ~38,000 denominations and Islam being just as large has many groups itself. The politics and extremists of the Terrorist attacks should be the last thing brought up in this thread if the focus is the Generic aspects of Islam. If every priest and pastor in the whole world decided an island off the coast needed to be bombed it wouldn't necessarily make Christianity a violent religion, people should be responsible for there own actions. This is NOT to say that I think people who spread violent memes shouldn't be held responsible, quite the opposite. This is a population sample fallacy at work here, but then applied to a group of parables that happen to be used to form a value system not the people themselves, which happen to be radically different depending on the group motives and interpretations. Is it odd that the Atheist is defending the Muslims? |
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Many of the things being discussed are a mixture of culture, Religion, and a puritan mindset, not all specific to Islam in general, perhaps some are to specific groups within Islam. Remember that the puritan mindset is center focus for certain groups of Christians here in the US. Which hold and practice traditions of covering of women bodies . . . they just dont use the same clothing to achieve the same results, nor require the same level of coverage necessarily, but that is more a product of the different cultures. Try to remember that Christians have ~38,000 denominations and Islam being just as large has many groups itself. The politics and extremists of the Terrorist attacks should be the last thing brought up in this thread if the focus is the Generic aspects of Islam. If every priest and pastor in the whole world decided an island off the coast needed to be bombed it wouldn't necessarily make Christianity a violent religion, people should be responsible for there own actions. This is NOT to say that I think people who spread violent memes shouldn't be held responsible, quite the opposite. This is a population sample fallacy at work here, but then applied to a group of parables that happen to be used to form a value system not the people themselves, which happen to be radically different depending on the group motives and interpretations. Is it odd that the Atheist is defending the Muslims? ..exactly. That's why I recanted my statements. My cousin died in the 9/11 attacks. Her birthday is coming up.. ..so, I'm over edgy on the topic. ..and why I'm backing out entirely. Too biased on my part and I'm generalizing. Which I, myself, am against. So, yeah. My apologies. |
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Is it odd that the Atheist is defending the Muslims? No it's not. Your being fair and objective. Others can learn from you. |
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Is it odd that the Atheist is defending the Muslims? No it's not. Your being fair and objective. Others can learn from you. I'm usually like that.. ..and I did apologize. |
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Islam isn't a radical religion it's another religion that branches off of the Abrahamic teachings of one god,but it is a religion that doesn't approve of Jews being Gods chosen people.Just like Jews don't accept Jesus as the messiah and christians are Jews who accept Jesus as the messiah and if you don't accept him(Jesus) you're going to hell.People are gonna say "It's more than that RKISIT."yeah whatever i just made it simple instead of drawn out.
Enjoy the dogma you Abrahamic person thingies. |
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"This is NOT to say that I think people who spread violent memes shouldn't be held responsible, quite the opposite."
What if the Imams or the Muslim brotherhood do/did NOTHING... the supposed leaders of this religion could of had this all wrapped up and dealt with a decade ago or more. I'm afraid their inaction(s) will surely cost the world many more innocent lives for decades to come. A global Fatwa was in order... They failed miserably.IMO So they are in fact.... participants. |
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Is it odd that the Atheist is defending the Muslims? No it's not. Your being fair and objective. Others can learn from you. I'm usually like that.. ..and I did apologize. I'm not directing that comment at you sin. I'm sorry for your loss. 
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 02/16/12 03:45 PM
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.exactly.
Takes an awesome level of intellectual honesty to admit this publicly.
That's why I recanted my statements. My cousin died in the 9/11 attacks. Her birthday is coming up.. ..so, I'm over edgy on the topic. ..and why I'm backing out entirely. Too biased on my part and I'm generalizing. Which I, myself, am against. So, yeah. My apologies. I have massive respect. "This is NOT to say that I think people who spread violent memes shouldn't be held responsible, quite the opposite."
At least from a generic conceptual level I think what you are saying has some truth to it, but what exactly do you expect?
What if the Imams or the Muslim brotherhood do/did NOTHING... the supposed leaders of this religion could of had this all wrapped up and dealt with a decade ago or more. I'm afraid their inaction(s) will surely cost the world many more innocent lives for decades to come. A global Fatwa was in order... They failed miserably.IMO So they are in fact.... participants. I know personally of many Muslim groups that came out against the attacks as not representing what they felt Islam stood for. This is all that I really expect, its really all that I personally have done myself, it would be hypocritical for me to ask for more than what I myself have done. (in fact every Muslim American I have spoke with has been strongly against violence and many have moved to the US for just this reason. I have an Iraqi friend whos family left years before the fall of Saddam becuase they wanted to practice there religion peacefully and in large part that is what the USA is about!) I think that is what the two gentlemen in this thread felt when they desired to post in this thread who's title is about it not being representative. From a position of neutrality I can see how absurd it would be to ask a peaceful Christian, or Peaceful Muslim, or a Peaceful Atheist to atone for the actions of the violent, or to take up arms against the very violence they oppose. We have allies in the world who have helped us a great deal to capture and overcome the 9-11 attackers, and its my best guess that most of those allies hold a different belief system than (many) of ourselves. It is my opinion that when you can truly think freely of tribal differences, which include religion, culture, and non-violent ideology, (Us vs them in EVERY form) then you can appreciate the hypocrisy of judging a person based solely on these attributes. Not until then. |
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