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Edited by
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 I could see why we went in there. I know a few women from Iraq that ran away here. I know allot of Iranians being that my daughter is half.
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I can see that if some of you had a choice, the USA would have never gone to Iraq, and Saddam Hussain would have control of Kuwait with one of the deepest sea ports in the world. We (the CIA) unseated Mossedek (a democraticly elected leader) under false pretenses of course (for the oil rights and central banking cartel which he opposed) in Iran in 1953, installing our (big business) Shau, who was later deposed and railed by the Iranians for gutting the coffers of Iran. We could have done the same in Iraq if nessessary without declaring a war, but shrub jr and daddy wanted Saddam eliminated, their interests (bankers) wanted the oil. Iraq was a mistake, Afganistan was a mistake (unless the CIA flooding the market with high grade opium for cash to fund the war machine agenda works for you). That's like condemning all christians because one televanglist said something you disagreed with! Had NOTHING to do with national defense! Who cares who controls Kuwait? Be business as usual in any regard! Might cost the bankers a little more to bribe a new controller, nothing much else would change. |
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I can see that if some of you had a choice, the USA would have never gone to Iraq, and Saddam Hussain would have control of Kuwait with one of the deepest sea ports in the world. We (the CIA) unseated Mossedek (a democraticly elected leader) under false pretenses of course (for the oil rights and central banking cartel which he opposed) in Iran in 1953, installing our (big business) Shau, who was later deposed and railed by the Iranians for gutting the coffers of Iran. We could have done the same in Iraq if nessessary without declaring a war, but shrub jr and daddy wanted Saddam eliminated, their interests (bankers) wanted the oil. Iraq was a mistake, Afganistan was a mistake (unless the CIA flooding the market with high grade opium for cash to fund the war machine agenda works for you). That's like condemning all christians because one televanglist said something you disagreed with! Had NOTHING to do with national defense! Who cares who controls Kuwait? Be business as usual in any regard! Might cost the bankers a little more to bribe a new controller, nothing much else would change. Another interesting aspect of this is that if the US regime had not foolishly gotten involved in the Gulf War, the Iranians and Iraqis would have exhausted each other and there never would have been a (perceived) need to illegally invade Iraq again. |
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I can see that if some of you had a choice, the USA would have never gone to Iraq, and Saddam Hussain would have control of Kuwait with one of the deepest sea ports in the world. Even if you accept that as true, it's not an act of war. It just irritates corporate and government interest greed. |
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Funny,you all believe the Word of the Guy who took out your Embassy in '79,over the word of the IAEA and your Own Government!
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IN A NUTSHELL...A pretty good article that looks at and explains ten points in favor or war and ten against...Always good to look at both side of the coin....
YES...... Iran is the biggest state supporter of terrorist groups in the world. It is openly defying the world in building nuclear weapons, and fanatical religious powers are less likely to be deterred than a secular power. Iran could also pass this new technology to the terrorists they support. Iran has openly called for the destruction of the U.S. and Israel, saying more than once that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Iran is supporting the Iraqi & Afghanistan insurgencies and is making stabilization there near impossible. The U.S. military may never again be so strategically placed, with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, covering both sides of Iran. The Iranian people deserve a chance at peace and democracy. Iran runs one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women and non-Muslims. A legitimate threat of force may be the only way to get Iran to abandon its nuclear program peacefully. It would send a forceful message to Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, and other anti-American regimes around the world. Iran is funding the spread of hate towards America and Israel, and beginning with the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini, is as responsible as anyone for the current War on Terror. NO.... Many U.S. soldiers would be killed and wounded. A large number of civilians would likely be killed and wounded. World opinion, which is already heavily anti-American, would only get worse, with Iran garnering sympathy. With a largely fundamental Muslim population, an Iran guerilla war could be ten times worse than what it is in Iraq. Younger pro-American & pro-democracy parts of the Iranian population may turn against us as they rally to defend their country. The U.S. military is already strained and occupied in Iraq & Afghanistan. There are less costly solutions like deterrence and sanctions. We could also allow Israel to do our dirty work or battle covertly through the CIA. Rogue regimes like North Korea are more likely to stir up trouble with the U.S. military tied up in Iran and Iraq. The cost to the U.S. taxpayer would likely be in the hundreds of billions, money which could be spent on education, homeland security, etc. Iran has close connections to terrorist groups around the world and is likely to unleash these groups in the event of an invasion. OVERVIEW......... Yes Iran is, without a doubt, the biggest state supporter of terrorist groups in the world. Many consider Iran to be the birthplace of state-sponsored terrorism. Rogue regimes like that in Iran have no way to compete militarily with powers such as the United States, so they often funnel money and intelligence information to psychopathic groups like Hezbollah that are committed to the destruction of Israel and other Western-style democracies. The leaders of Iran are all devout Shiite Muslims that publicly support the methods of terrorists such as those that attacked America on 9/11. If ever there was an appropriate target for the "Bush Doctrine", which promises action not only against terrorists but the states that sponsor it, it is Iran. It is openly defying the world in building nuclear weapons, and fanatical religious powers are less likely to be deterred than a secular power. Iran could also pass this new technology to the terrorists they support. It seems that every day, Iran claims to reach a new milestone in its quest to build nuclear weapons. Some people think this isn't a big deal since several countries have nuclear weapon technology. However, the big difference between these countries and Iran is that all the current nuclear powers are either stable, rational democracies or are countries that can be deterred by mutual assured destruction. In other words, North Korea isn't stupid enough to ever use its nuclear weapons since they will be wiped out by a retaliation. However, in the case of Iran, death is glorified. Killing in the name of Islam is seen as a cause for reward in the afterlife for the fanatics. The 9/11 terrorists reveled in the fact that they were soon to be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven. In a culture where death is glorified, what is there to deter the Iranian leadership? An even worse scenario may be if Iran passes this technology to terrorist groups like Al Qaeda, Hamas, or Hezbollah. What is there to deter these groups from using them? How will we even be able to trace the originator of a terrorist bombing that involves nuclear weapons? Iran has openly called for the destruction of the U.S. and Israel, saying more than once that Israel should be "wiped off the map". It's no secret that Iran and pretty much every Muslim terror group is committed to destroying Israel and regaining what they view as their land which is currently "occupied territory". Ahmadinejad has even used the exact words that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Is it reasonable to put nuclear weapons in the hands of such a person? After witnessing millions of death in the Nazi Holocaust, does such a potential scenario seem so far-fetched? Anti-Semitism is as prevalent in the Muslim world as breathing. Iran is supporting the Iraqi & Afghanistan insurgencies and is making stabilization there near impossible. Iran is in effect fighting a proxy war against the United States already by aiding terrorist insurgents in Iraq. The fundamentalists in Iran vehemently oppose Western-style democracies, along with the values they provide such as religious freedom, women's rights, freedom to criticize the government, and so on. If Iraq grows to be a foothold of democracy in the Middle East, it could lead to even more democracies of neighboring countries. A large segment of the pro-Western younger generation would likely demand more freedoms, threatening those in power. It's not hard to see why Iran is doing so much to promote Iraq instability and to kill as many American troops as possible. The U.S. military may never again be so strategically placed, with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, covering both sides of Iran. The logistics of a war with Iran can get complicated. Having adequate bases and strategic options is critical in a war that requires such pinpoint accuracy. The military will likely focus on taking out specific targets such as nuclear facilities and command'n'control locations. Right now, we have plenty of bases & troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan. There will never be another time when our military is so strategically placed for an attack. The Iranian people deserve a chance at peace and democracy. Western culture and freedom is popular with a young generation of Iranians. Protests for democracy have been held by people who are risking their lives and freedom for such actions. Yet, as long as the current Islamic fundamentalist regime is in power, Iranian civilians will never have an opportunity to taste the freedoms we take for granted here in America. Don't you think that Iranians should have a choice as to how their country should be run? How would you like it if free elections as well as 1st Amendment freedoms of speech and religion were taken away from you? Iran runs one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women and non-Muslims. Christianity is persecuted in Iran. Women aren't allowed to vote, must remain servile to their men, can be stoned to death for breaking Islamic law, and must stick to standard styles of dress. The press is government controlled. Protestors are imprisoned or beaten. Much of western-style clothing or music is banned. The list goes on and on. What's worse is that Iranian citizens don't really have any way to change things--ever. Foreign intervention may be the only way things ever improve. A legitimate threat of force may be the only way to get Iran to abandon its nuclear program peacefully. Perhaps the best and most often-cited reason for a military strike on Iran is to prevent its acquisition of nuclear weapons. However, Iran has laughed off every attempt at punitive action in the past largely because there is no real threat against it. However, a legitimate threat of war may actually lead to a prevention of war. If the Iranian leadership truly sees that the U.S. plans to attack, it may reverse course and abandon its nuclear program in an effort to prevent or postpone war. In the case of a psychotic leadership like that in Iran, it's a long shot at best, but who knows? It would send a forceful message to Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, and other anti-American regimes around the world. American credibility is quickly disintegrating. Rogue regimes like the one ran by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela have learned that a weakened U.S. government seems to be incapable of taking action when they misbehave. Chavez has dissolved the former democracy of his country and taken power. How long before other power-hungry leaders do the same? How long before there's another Saddam-type invasion? An invasion of Iran sends a forceful message that we are serious and that we will take action when international law is broken, as with Iran's nuclear program. Iran is funding the spread of hate towards America and Israel, and beginning with the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini, is as responsible as anyone for the current War on Terror. More than anywhere in the world, the burning of American flags and the chants of "Death to America" were born in the fundamentalist regime of Iran. Indeed, the roots of modern Islamic terrorism can be found in the country of Iran. Some argue that Iran has been fighting a proxy terrorist war against the West for almost three decades by funding Mosques that preach hate, by designing curriculum for kids that preach destruction of the U.S. and Israel, by providing money, weapons, and intelligence information to groups such as Hezbollah, and by countless other methods such as the current perpetuation of trouble in Iraq. The truth is that striking groups like Al Qaeda is more of a Band-Aid approach to fighting terrorism. If we wipe out one terrorist, there's almost always several others to take his place. If we take out the power structure of a group like Al Qaeda, another group will popup to take its place. To truly wipe out or minimize the growth of terror around the world, we need to strike at its source, and that is above all, the state of Iran. No Many U.S. soldiers would be killed and wounded. An already exhausted U.S. military has already lost thousands of men and women in a war that's likely to be much easier than that of attacking Iran. Most of the technology that's being used to kill American troops such as improvised explosive devices (IEDs) is being supplied by Iran. How many soldiers will be killed if this technology is used first hand by the masters? Iran is likely to be better financed, more organized, and better prepared to fight than Iraq; thus, things are likely only to get worse for the U.S. military. A large number of civilians would likely be killed and wounded. There are a wide range of estimates as to the number of civilians killed in Iraq. Some reach the hundreds of thousands. Do we want to repeat this scenario, especially when so much of the population is young and pro-Western? World opinion, which is already heavily anti-American, would only get worse, with Iran garnering sympathy. Most countries in the world view the Iraqi invasion as an illegal war. The U.S. is frequently seen as an imperialist bully forcing their will on the rest of the world. As we've seen with Saddam Hussein, what happens before the war is likely to be completely forgotten or overlooked. Since the war started, how many news stories can you remember seeing chronicling life of Iraqis under Saddam? Saddam ran one of the most vicious regimes in history, yet the Americans are still largely seen as the villains in this whole war. Thus, an invasion of Iran is likely to generate more hatred for the United States and generate sympathy for the evil, destructive regime of Iran. With a largely fundamental Muslim population, an Iran guerilla war could be ten times worse than what it is in Iraq. The Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s proved more than anything just how fanatical the Iranians can be if their country is invaded. Hundreds of thousands died fighting the superior military power of Iraq as human waves of "martyrs" were sent to sacrifice themselves against the approaching tanks. Iran is very much a fundamentalist religious population, unlike the secular society that dominates in Iraq. As such, death and sacrifice is glorified far more. Thus, a guerilla war fought in Iran is likely to get far worse than the already difficult situation in Iraq. Younger pro-American & pro-democracy parts of the Iranian population may turn against us as they rally to defend their country. Western culture and values are popular with the younger generation. Iranians that escaped the repressive regime of Iran tell of a largely pro-American population that longs for democracy. However, like almost all people around the world, Iranians are patriotic. They may turn against America and defend their own country in the event of an invasion. The U.S. military is already strained and occupied in Iraq & Afghanistan. It took a "surge" of American troops in 2007 to really start getting any results in the rebuilding of Iraq. Troops are already spread thin to not only Iraq, but Afghanistan and other hotspots around the world. Recruitment of new soldiers has plummeted. How can we possibly take on a military task that could be far worse than the war in Iraq? There are less costly solutions like deterrence and sanctions. We could also allow Israel to do our dirty work or battle covertly through the CIA. War should always be the option of very last resort. It would likely cost hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives. Far cheaper options are available such as sanctions and a CIA-led covert war. Sanctions that cut off oil, military, and other resources going to Iran are by no means a quick fix. They take time to be effective, as they wear down the will of those that are punished. Because so much of the population is pro-American, a covert war led by the CIA and internal Iranian groups opposed to the current regime may be able to topple the government from the inside. A combination of other solutions seriously need to be tried before we undertake such a destructive step as another war. Rogue regimes like North Korea are more likely to stir up trouble with the U.S. military tied up in Iran and Iraq. We've already seen how Hugo Chavez wiped out democracy in Venezuela while we were occupied in Iraq. What's going to happen to other shaky governments and rogue regimes when the U.S. military is tied up fighting in two Middle Eastern countries? Their main deterrent threat would be somewhat powerless to stop them. Would this mean the toppling of more democracies? The invasion of other countries? The ignoring of several treaties and U.N. mandates? The cost to the U.S. taxpayer would likely be in the hundreds of billions, money which could be spent on education, homeland security, etc. The United States has already spent in the hundreds of billions in Iraq. That cost may eventually reach or exceed a trillion dollars. Who knows how much a war with Iran would cost, as well as the inevitable retaliation? We have so many other needs to address such as a social security system approaching bankruptcy, a 9-trillion dollar national debt, a strained military that needs to be built back up, a worsening education system, and on and on. We simply can't afford another war, nor can the rest of the world which is so heavily dependent on the U.S. economy. Iran has close connections to terrorist groups around the world and is likely to unleash these groups in the event of an invasion. Perhaps the most frightening aspect of a war with Iran is what would happen if Iran unleashed all its terrorist resources to Western nations? In other words, what would happen if the individual members of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, and countless other Islamic terrorist groups were unleashed in the United States? We haven't had a terrorist attack in America since 9/11, but how would you like to see suicide bombers blowing themselves up in shopping malls? How about busloads of kids exploding on the way home from school? How about stinger missiles being launched against civilian aircraft? How about rockets fired randomly into civilian towns? All of these are popular attack methods against Israel but has yet to be brought to the United States. The endless possibilities are too terrible to imagine. http://www.balancedpolitics.org/iran_war.htm |
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Wow I had no idea how many misinformed people we have in this country.........I blame the usual suspect, Fox news.
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Wow I had no idea how many misinformed people we have in this country.........I blame the usual suspect, Fox news. whatever..... |
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Wow I had no idea how many misinformed people we have in this country.........I blame the usual suspect, Fox news. whatever..... 
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Lets review some facts. the CIA over threw the democratic government in Iran and placed the Shaw in power and his police were far more brutal than Sadams henchmen we proped him up for many years while his people suffered.
Any war with Iran would send gas prices through the roof and cripple the economy and align Russia and China against us. Any one who thinks a war with Iran is a good idea didnt learn a damn thing about Iraq. Man you have to be retarded to buy into that WMD crap again. Who cares if they get a bomb anyhow? At least our brave leaders wont start another war if they get one to all our benefit. |
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Lets review some facts. the CIA over threw the democratic government in Iran and placed the Shaw in power and his police were far more brutal than Sadams henchmen we proped him up for many years while his people suffered. Any war with Iran would send gas prices through the roof and cripple the economy and align Russia and China against us. Any one who thinks a war with Iran is a good idea didnt learn a damn thing about Iraq. Man you have to be retarded to buy into that WMD crap again. Who cares if they get a bomb anyhow? At least our brave leaders wont start another war if they get one to all our benefit. And you criticize Fox News as a poor source for information? |
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Wow I had no idea how many misinformed people we have in this country.........I blame the usual suspect, Fox news. Care to explain in clear plain English (forget suggestive or code). I don't know if I understand exactly what you're saying, meaning or eluding to. Thank you for clearing that up for me. |
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We are tired from wares and killing , way we don't love each others and live in peace , we we enjoy taking about ware like we taking about Trip or movie as its normal things
how many people have been killid and lost thier sons or families the people who makes the ware do not fight |
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Wow I had no idea how many misinformed people we have in this country.........I blame the usual suspect, Fox news.
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Lets review some facts. the CIA over threw the democratic government in Iran and placed the Shaw in power and his police were far more brutal than Sadams henchmen we proped him up for many years while his people suffered. Any war with Iran would send gas prices through the roof and cripple the economy and align Russia and China against us. Any one who thinks a war with Iran is a good idea didnt learn a damn thing about Iraq. Man you have to be retarded to buy into that WMD crap again. Who cares if they get a bomb anyhow? At least our brave leaders wont start another war if they get one to all our benefit. Russia and China are already aligned against us.  As far as gas prices thats BS, Iran is driving our gas prices through the roof by just threatening to close the Strait.
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IN A NUTSHELL...A pretty good article that looks at and explains ten points in favor or war and ten against...Always good to look at both side of the coin.... YES...... Iran is the biggest state supporter of terrorist groups in the world. It is openly defying the world in building nuclear weapons, and fanatical religious powers are less likely to be deterred than a secular power. Iran could also pass this new technology to the terrorists they support. Iran has openly called for the destruction of the U.S. and Israel, saying more than once that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Iran is supporting the Iraqi & Afghanistan insurgencies and is making stabilization there near impossible. The U.S. military may never again be so strategically placed, with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, covering both sides of Iran. The Iranian people deserve a chance at peace and democracy. Iran runs one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women and non-Muslims. A legitimate threat of force may be the only way to get Iran to abandon its nuclear program peacefully. It would send a forceful message to Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, and other anti-American regimes around the world. Iran is funding the spread of hate towards America and Israel, and beginning with the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini, is as responsible as anyone for the current War on Terror. NO.... Many U.S. soldiers would be killed and wounded. A large number of civilians would likely be killed and wounded. World opinion, which is already heavily anti-American, would only get worse, with Iran garnering sympathy. With a largely fundamental Muslim population, an Iran guerilla war could be ten times worse than what it is in Iraq. Younger pro-American & pro-democracy parts of the Iranian population may turn against us as they rally to defend their country. The U.S. military is already strained and occupied in Iraq & Afghanistan. There are less costly solutions like deterrence and sanctions. We could also allow Israel to do our dirty work or battle covertly through the CIA. Rogue regimes like North Korea are more likely to stir up trouble with the U.S. military tied up in Iran and Iraq. The cost to the U.S. taxpayer would likely be in the hundreds of billions, money which could be spent on education, homeland security, etc. Iran has close connections to terrorist groups around the world and is likely to unleash these groups in the event of an invasion. OVERVIEW......... Yes Iran is, without a doubt, the biggest state supporter of terrorist groups in the world. Many consider Iran to be the birthplace of state-sponsored terrorism. Rogue regimes like that in Iran have no way to compete militarily with powers such as the United States, so they often funnel money and intelligence information to psychopathic groups like Hezbollah that are committed to the destruction of Israel and other Western-style democracies. The leaders of Iran are all devout Shiite Muslims that publicly support the methods of terrorists such as those that attacked America on 9/11. If ever there was an appropriate target for the "Bush Doctrine", which promises action not only against terrorists but the states that sponsor it, it is Iran. It is openly defying the world in building nuclear weapons, and fanatical religious powers are less likely to be deterred than a secular power. Iran could also pass this new technology to the terrorists they support. It seems that every day, Iran claims to reach a new milestone in its quest to build nuclear weapons. Some people think this isn't a big deal since several countries have nuclear weapon technology. However, the big difference between these countries and Iran is that all the current nuclear powers are either stable, rational democracies or are countries that can be deterred by mutual assured destruction. In other words, North Korea isn't stupid enough to ever use its nuclear weapons since they will be wiped out by a retaliation. However, in the case of Iran, death is glorified. Killing in the name of Islam is seen as a cause for reward in the afterlife for the fanatics. The 9/11 terrorists reveled in the fact that they were soon to be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven. In a culture where death is glorified, what is there to deter the Iranian leadership? An even worse scenario may be if Iran passes this technology to terrorist groups like Al Qaeda, Hamas, or Hezbollah. What is there to deter these groups from using them? How will we even be able to trace the originator of a terrorist bombing that involves nuclear weapons? Iran has openly called for the destruction of the U.S. and Israel, saying more than once that Israel should be "wiped off the map". It's no secret that Iran and pretty much every Muslim terror group is committed to destroying Israel and regaining what they view as their land which is currently "occupied territory". Ahmadinejad has even used the exact words that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Is it reasonable to put nuclear weapons in the hands of such a person? After witnessing millions of death in the Nazi Holocaust, does such a potential scenario seem so far-fetched? Anti-Semitism is as prevalent in the Muslim world as breathing. Iran is supporting the Iraqi & Afghanistan insurgencies and is making stabilization there near impossible. Iran is in effect fighting a proxy war against the United States already by aiding terrorist insurgents in Iraq. The fundamentalists in Iran vehemently oppose Western-style democracies, along with the values they provide such as religious freedom, women's rights, freedom to criticize the government, and so on. If Iraq grows to be a foothold of democracy in the Middle East, it could lead to even more democracies of neighboring countries. A large segment of the pro-Western younger generation would likely demand more freedoms, threatening those in power. It's not hard to see why Iran is doing so much to promote Iraq instability and to kill as many American troops as possible. The U.S. military may never again be so strategically placed, with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, covering both sides of Iran. The logistics of a war with Iran can get complicated. Having adequate bases and strategic options is critical in a war that requires such pinpoint accuracy. The military will likely focus on taking out specific targets such as nuclear facilities and command'n'control locations. Right now, we have plenty of bases & troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan. There will never be another time when our military is so strategically placed for an attack. The Iranian people deserve a chance at peace and democracy. Western culture and freedom is popular with a young generation of Iranians. Protests for democracy have been held by people who are risking their lives and freedom for such actions. Yet, as long as the current Islamic fundamentalist regime is in power, Iranian civilians will never have an opportunity to taste the freedoms we take for granted here in America. Don't you think that Iranians should have a choice as to how their country should be run? How would you like it if free elections as well as 1st Amendment freedoms of speech and religion were taken away from you? Iran runs one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women and non-Muslims. Christianity is persecuted in Iran. Women aren't allowed to vote, must remain servile to their men, can be stoned to death for breaking Islamic law, and must stick to standard styles of dress. The press is government controlled. Protestors are imprisoned or beaten. Much of western-style clothing or music is banned. The list goes on and on. What's worse is that Iranian citizens don't really have any way to change things--ever. Foreign intervention may be the only way things ever improve. A legitimate threat of force may be the only way to get Iran to abandon its nuclear program peacefully. Perhaps the best and most often-cited reason for a military strike on Iran is to prevent its acquisition of nuclear weapons. However, Iran has laughed off every attempt at punitive action in the past largely because there is no real threat against it. However, a legitimate threat of war may actually lead to a prevention of war. If the Iranian leadership truly sees that the U.S. plans to attack, it may reverse course and abandon its nuclear program in an effort to prevent or postpone war. In the case of a psychotic leadership like that in Iran, it's a long shot at best, but who knows? It would send a forceful message to Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, and other anti-American regimes around the world. American credibility is quickly disintegrating. Rogue regimes like the one ran by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela have learned that a weakened U.S. government seems to be incapable of taking action when they misbehave. Chavez has dissolved the former democracy of his country and taken power. How long before other power-hungry leaders do the same? How long before there's another Saddam-type invasion? An invasion of Iran sends a forceful message that we are serious and that we will take action when international law is broken, as with Iran's nuclear program. Iran is funding the spread of hate towards America and Israel, and beginning with the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini, is as responsible as anyone for the current War on Terror. More than anywhere in the world, the burning of American flags and the chants of "Death to America" were born in the fundamentalist regime of Iran. Indeed, the roots of modern Islamic terrorism can be found in the country of Iran. Some argue that Iran has been fighting a proxy terrorist war against the West for almost three decades by funding Mosques that preach hate, by designing curriculum for kids that preach destruction of the U.S. and Israel, by providing money, weapons, and intelligence information to groups such as Hezbollah, and by countless other methods such as the current perpetuation of trouble in Iraq. The truth is that striking groups like Al Qaeda is more of a Band-Aid approach to fighting terrorism. If we wipe out one terrorist, there's almost always several others to take his place. If we take out the power structure of a group like Al Qaeda, another group will popup to take its place. To truly wipe out or minimize the growth of terror around the world, we need to strike at its source, and that is above all, the state of Iran. No Many U.S. soldiers would be killed and wounded. An already exhausted U.S. military has already lost thousands of men and women in a war that's likely to be much easier than that of attacking Iran. Most of the technology that's being used to kill American troops such as improvised explosive devices (IEDs) is being supplied by Iran. How many soldiers will be killed if this technology is used first hand by the masters? Iran is likely to be better financed, more organized, and better prepared to fight than Iraq; thus, things are likely only to get worse for the U.S. military. A large number of civilians would likely be killed and wounded. There are a wide range of estimates as to the number of civilians killed in Iraq. Some reach the hundreds of thousands. Do we want to repeat this scenario, especially when so much of the population is young and pro-Western? World opinion, which is already heavily anti-American, would only get worse, with Iran garnering sympathy. Most countries in the world view the Iraqi invasion as an illegal war. The U.S. is frequently seen as an imperialist bully forcing their will on the rest of the world. As we've seen with Saddam Hussein, what happens before the war is likely to be completely forgotten or overlooked. Since the war started, how many news stories can you remember seeing chronicling life of Iraqis under Saddam? Saddam ran one of the most vicious regimes in history, yet the Americans are still largely seen as the villains in this whole war. Thus, an invasion of Iran is likely to generate more hatred for the United States and generate sympathy for the evil, destructive regime of Iran. With a largely fundamental Muslim population, an Iran guerilla war could be ten times worse than what it is in Iraq. The Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s proved more than anything just how fanatical the Iranians can be if their country is invaded. Hundreds of thousands died fighting the superior military power of Iraq as human waves of "martyrs" were sent to sacrifice themselves against the approaching tanks. Iran is very much a fundamentalist religious population, unlike the secular society that dominates in Iraq. As such, death and sacrifice is glorified far more. Thus, a guerilla war fought in Iran is likely to get far worse than the already difficult situation in Iraq. Younger pro-American & pro-democracy parts of the Iranian population may turn against us as they rally to defend their country. Western culture and values are popular with the younger generation. Iranians that escaped the repressive regime of Iran tell of a largely pro-American population that longs for democracy. However, like almost all people around the world, Iranians are patriotic. They may turn against America and defend their own country in the event of an invasion. The U.S. military is already strained and occupied in Iraq & Afghanistan. It took a "surge" of American troops in 2007 to really start getting any results in the rebuilding of Iraq. Troops are already spread thin to not only Iraq, but Afghanistan and other hotspots around the world. Recruitment of new soldiers has plummeted. How can we possibly take on a military task that could be far worse than the war in Iraq? There are less costly solutions like deterrence and sanctions. We could also allow Israel to do our dirty work or battle covertly through the CIA. War should always be the option of very last resort. It would likely cost hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives. Far cheaper options are available such as sanctions and a CIA-led covert war. Sanctions that cut off oil, military, and other resources going to Iran are by no means a quick fix. They take time to be effective, as they wear down the will of those that are punished. Because so much of the population is pro-American, a covert war led by the CIA and internal Iranian groups opposed to the current regime may be able to topple the government from the inside. A combination of other solutions seriously need to be tried before we undertake such a destructive step as another war. Rogue regimes like North Korea are more likely to stir up trouble with the U.S. military tied up in Iran and Iraq. We've already seen how Hugo Chavez wiped out democracy in Venezuela while we were occupied in Iraq. What's going to happen to other shaky governments and rogue regimes when the U.S. military is tied up fighting in two Middle Eastern countries? Their main deterrent threat would be somewhat powerless to stop them. Would this mean the toppling of more democracies? The invasion of other countries? The ignoring of several treaties and U.N. mandates? The cost to the U.S. taxpayer would likely be in the hundreds of billions, money which could be spent on education, homeland security, etc. The United States has already spent in the hundreds of billions in Iraq. That cost may eventually reach or exceed a trillion dollars. Who knows how much a war with Iran would cost, as well as the inevitable retaliation? We have so many other needs to address such as a social security system approaching bankruptcy, a 9-trillion dollar national debt, a strained military that needs to be built back up, a worsening education system, and on and on. We simply can't afford another war, nor can the rest of the world which is so heavily dependent on the U.S. economy. Iran has close connections to terrorist groups around the world and is likely to unleash these groups in the event of an invasion. Perhaps the most frightening aspect of a war with Iran is what would happen if Iran unleashed all its terrorist resources to Western nations? In other words, what would happen if the individual members of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, and countless other Islamic terrorist groups were unleashed in the United States? We haven't had a terrorist attack in America since 9/11, but how would you like to see suicide bombers blowing themselves up in shopping malls? How about busloads of kids exploding on the way home from school? How about stinger missiles being launched against civilian aircraft? How about rockets fired randomly into civilian towns? All of these are popular attack methods against Israel but has yet to be brought to the United States. The endless possibilities are too terrible to imagine. http://www.balancedpolitics.org/iran_war.htm 
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IN A NUTSHELL...A pretty good article that looks at and explains ten points in favor or war and ten against...Always good to look at both side of the coin.... YES...... Iran is the biggest state supporter of terrorist groups in the world. It is openly defying the world in building nuclear weapons, and fanatical religious powers are less likely to be deterred than a secular power. Iran could also pass this new technology to the terrorists they support. Iran has openly called for the destruction of the U.S. and Israel, saying more than once that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Iran is supporting the Iraqi & Afghanistan insurgencies and is making stabilization there near impossible. The U.S. military may never again be so strategically placed, with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, covering both sides of Iran. The Iranian people deserve a chance at peace and democracy. Iran runs one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women and non-Muslims. A legitimate threat of force may be the only way to get Iran to abandon its nuclear program peacefully. It would send a forceful message to Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, and other anti-American regimes around the world. Iran is funding the spread of hate towards America and Israel, and beginning with the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini, is as responsible as anyone for the current War on Terror. NO.... Many U.S. soldiers would be killed and wounded. A large number of civilians would likely be killed and wounded. World opinion, which is already heavily anti-American, would only get worse, with Iran garnering sympathy. With a largely fundamental Muslim population, an Iran guerilla war could be ten times worse than what it is in Iraq. Younger pro-American & pro-democracy parts of the Iranian population may turn against us as they rally to defend their country. The U.S. military is already strained and occupied in Iraq & Afghanistan. There are less costly solutions like deterrence and sanctions. We could also allow Israel to do our dirty work or battle covertly through the CIA. Rogue regimes like North Korea are more likely to stir up trouble with the U.S. military tied up in Iran and Iraq. The cost to the U.S. taxpayer would likely be in the hundreds of billions, money which could be spent on education, homeland security, etc. Iran has close connections to terrorist groups around the world and is likely to unleash these groups in the event of an invasion. OVERVIEW......... Yes Iran is, without a doubt, the biggest state supporter of terrorist groups in the world. Many consider Iran to be the birthplace of state-sponsored terrorism. Rogue regimes like that in Iran have no way to compete militarily with powers such as the United States, so they often funnel money and intelligence information to psychopathic groups like Hezbollah that are committed to the destruction of Israel and other Western-style democracies. The leaders of Iran are all devout Shiite Muslims that publicly support the methods of terrorists such as those that attacked America on 9/11. If ever there was an appropriate target for the "Bush Doctrine", which promises action not only against terrorists but the states that sponsor it, it is Iran. It is openly defying the world in building nuclear weapons, and fanatical religious powers are less likely to be deterred than a secular power. Iran could also pass this new technology to the terrorists they support. It seems that every day, Iran claims to reach a new milestone in its quest to build nuclear weapons. Some people think this isn't a big deal since several countries have nuclear weapon technology. However, the big difference between these countries and Iran is that all the current nuclear powers are either stable, rational democracies or are countries that can be deterred by mutual assured destruction. In other words, North Korea isn't stupid enough to ever use its nuclear weapons since they will be wiped out by a retaliation. However, in the case of Iran, death is glorified. Killing in the name of Islam is seen as a cause for reward in the afterlife for the fanatics. The 9/11 terrorists reveled in the fact that they were soon to be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven. In a culture where death is glorified, what is there to deter the Iranian leadership? An even worse scenario may be if Iran passes this technology to terrorist groups like Al Qaeda, Hamas, or Hezbollah. What is there to deter these groups from using them? How will we even be able to trace the originator of a terrorist bombing that involves nuclear weapons? Iran has openly called for the destruction of the U.S. and Israel, saying more than once that Israel should be "wiped off the map". It's no secret that Iran and pretty much every Muslim terror group is committed to destroying Israel and regaining what they view as their land which is currently "occupied territory". Ahmadinejad has even used the exact words that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Is it reasonable to put nuclear weapons in the hands of such a person? After witnessing millions of death in the Nazi Holocaust, does such a potential scenario seem so far-fetched? Anti-Semitism is as prevalent in the Muslim world as breathing. Iran is supporting the Iraqi & Afghanistan insurgencies and is making stabilization there near impossible. Iran is in effect fighting a proxy war against the United States already by aiding terrorist insurgents in Iraq. The fundamentalists in Iran vehemently oppose Western-style democracies, along with the values they provide such as religious freedom, women's rights, freedom to criticize the government, and so on. If Iraq grows to be a foothold of democracy in the Middle East, it could lead to even more democracies of neighboring countries. A large segment of the pro-Western younger generation would likely demand more freedoms, threatening those in power. It's not hard to see why Iran is doing so much to promote Iraq instability and to kill as many American troops as possible. The U.S. military may never again be so strategically placed, with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, covering both sides of Iran. The logistics of a war with Iran can get complicated. Having adequate bases and strategic options is critical in a war that requires such pinpoint accuracy. The military will likely focus on taking out specific targets such as nuclear facilities and command'n'control locations. Right now, we have plenty of bases & troops in Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan. There will never be another time when our military is so strategically placed for an attack. The Iranian people deserve a chance at peace and democracy. Western culture and freedom is popular with a young generation of Iranians. Protests for democracy have been held by people who are risking their lives and freedom for such actions. Yet, as long as the current Islamic fundamentalist regime is in power, Iranian civilians will never have an opportunity to taste the freedoms we take for granted here in America. Don't you think that Iranians should have a choice as to how their country should be run? How would you like it if free elections as well as 1st Amendment freedoms of speech and religion were taken away from you? Iran runs one of the most repressive regimes in the world, especially towards women and non-Muslims. Christianity is persecuted in Iran. Women aren't allowed to vote, must remain servile to their men, can be stoned to death for breaking Islamic law, and must stick to standard styles of dress. The press is government controlled. Protestors are imprisoned or beaten. Much of western-style clothing or music is banned. The list goes on and on. What's worse is that Iranian citizens don't really have any way to change things--ever. Foreign intervention may be the only way things ever improve. A legitimate threat of force may be the only way to get Iran to abandon its nuclear program peacefully. Perhaps the best and most often-cited reason for a military strike on Iran is to prevent its acquisition of nuclear weapons. However, Iran has laughed off every attempt at punitive action in the past largely because there is no real threat against it. However, a legitimate threat of war may actually lead to a prevention of war. If the Iranian leadership truly sees that the U.S. plans to attack, it may reverse course and abandon its nuclear program in an effort to prevent or postpone war. In the case of a psychotic leadership like that in Iran, it's a long shot at best, but who knows? It would send a forceful message to Syria, Cuba, Venezuela, and other anti-American regimes around the world. American credibility is quickly disintegrating. Rogue regimes like the one ran by Hugo Chavez in Venezuela have learned that a weakened U.S. government seems to be incapable of taking action when they misbehave. Chavez has dissolved the former democracy of his country and taken power. How long before other power-hungry leaders do the same? How long before there's another Saddam-type invasion? An invasion of Iran sends a forceful message that we are serious and that we will take action when international law is broken, as with Iran's nuclear program. Iran is funding the spread of hate towards America and Israel, and beginning with the Islamic Revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini, is as responsible as anyone for the current War on Terror. More than anywhere in the world, the burning of American flags and the chants of "Death to America" were born in the fundamentalist regime of Iran. Indeed, the roots of modern Islamic terrorism can be found in the country of Iran. Some argue that Iran has been fighting a proxy terrorist war against the West for almost three decades by funding Mosques that preach hate, by designing curriculum for kids that preach destruction of the U.S. and Israel, by providing money, weapons, and intelligence information to groups such as Hezbollah, and by countless other methods such as the current perpetuation of trouble in Iraq. The truth is that striking groups like Al Qaeda is more of a Band-Aid approach to fighting terrorism. If we wipe out one terrorist, there's almost always several others to take his place. If we take out the power structure of a group like Al Qaeda, another group will popup to take its place. To truly wipe out or minimize the growth of terror around the world, we need to strike at its source, and that is above all, the state of Iran. No Many U.S. soldiers would be killed and wounded. An already exhausted U.S. military has already lost thousands of men and women in a war that's likely to be much easier than that of attacking Iran. Most of the technology that's being used to kill American troops such as improvised explosive devices (IEDs) is being supplied by Iran. How many soldiers will be killed if this technology is used first hand by the masters? Iran is likely to be better financed, more organized, and better prepared to fight than Iraq; thus, things are likely only to get worse for the U.S. military. A large number of civilians would likely be killed and wounded. There are a wide range of estimates as to the number of civilians killed in Iraq. Some reach the hundreds of thousands. Do we want to repeat this scenario, especially when so much of the population is young and pro-Western? World opinion, which is already heavily anti-American, would only get worse, with Iran garnering sympathy. Most countries in the world view the Iraqi invasion as an illegal war. The U.S. is frequently seen as an imperialist bully forcing their will on the rest of the world. As we've seen with Saddam Hussein, what happens before the war is likely to be completely forgotten or overlooked. Since the war started, how many news stories can you remember seeing chronicling life of Iraqis under Saddam? Saddam ran one of the most vicious regimes in history, yet the Americans are still largely seen as the villains in this whole war. Thus, an invasion of Iran is likely to generate more hatred for the United States and generate sympathy for the evil, destructive regime of Iran. With a largely fundamental Muslim population, an Iran guerilla war could be ten times worse than what it is in Iraq. The Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s proved more than anything just how fanatical the Iranians can be if their country is invaded. Hundreds of thousands died fighting the superior military power of Iraq as human waves of "martyrs" were sent to sacrifice themselves against the approaching tanks. Iran is very much a fundamentalist religious population, unlike the secular society that dominates in Iraq. As such, death and sacrifice is glorified far more. Thus, a guerilla war fought in Iran is likely to get far worse than the already difficult situation in Iraq. Younger pro-American & pro-democracy parts of the Iranian population may turn against us as they rally to defend their country. Western culture and values are popular with the younger generation. Iranians that escaped the repressive regime of Iran tell of a largely pro-American population that longs for democracy. However, like almost all people around the world, Iranians are patriotic. They may turn against America and defend their own country in the event of an invasion. The U.S. military is already strained and occupied in Iraq & Afghanistan. It took a "surge" of American troops in 2007 to really start getting any results in the rebuilding of Iraq. Troops are already spread thin to not only Iraq, but Afghanistan and other hotspots around the world. Recruitment of new soldiers has plummeted. How can we possibly take on a military task that could be far worse than the war in Iraq? There are less costly solutions like deterrence and sanctions. We could also allow Israel to do our dirty work or battle covertly through the CIA. War should always be the option of very last resort. It would likely cost hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives. Far cheaper options are available such as sanctions and a CIA-led covert war. Sanctions that cut off oil, military, and other resources going to Iran are by no means a quick fix. They take time to be effective, as they wear down the will of those that are punished. Because so much of the population is pro-American, a covert war led by the CIA and internal Iranian groups opposed to the current regime may be able to topple the government from the inside. A combination of other solutions seriously need to be tried before we undertake such a destructive step as another war. Rogue regimes like North Korea are more likely to stir up trouble with the U.S. military tied up in Iran and Iraq. We've already seen how Hugo Chavez wiped out democracy in Venezuela while we were occupied in Iraq. What's going to happen to other shaky governments and rogue regimes when the U.S. military is tied up fighting in two Middle Eastern countries? Their main deterrent threat would be somewhat powerless to stop them. Would this mean the toppling of more democracies? The invasion of other countries? The ignoring of several treaties and U.N. mandates? The cost to the U.S. taxpayer would likely be in the hundreds of billions, money which could be spent on education, homeland security, etc. The United States has already spent in the hundreds of billions in Iraq. That cost may eventually reach or exceed a trillion dollars. Who knows how much a war with Iran would cost, as well as the inevitable retaliation? We have so many other needs to address such as a social security system approaching bankruptcy, a 9-trillion dollar national debt, a strained military that needs to be built back up, a worsening education system, and on and on. We simply can't afford another war, nor can the rest of the world which is so heavily dependent on the U.S. economy. Iran has close connections to terrorist groups around the world and is likely to unleash these groups in the event of an invasion. Perhaps the most frightening aspect of a war with Iran is what would happen if Iran unleashed all its terrorist resources to Western nations? In other words, what would happen if the individual members of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, and countless other Islamic terrorist groups were unleashed in the United States? We haven't had a terrorist attack in America since 9/11, but how would you like to see suicide bombers blowing themselves up in shopping malls? How about busloads of kids exploding on the way home from school? How about stinger missiles being launched against civilian aircraft? How about rockets fired randomly into civilian towns? All of these are popular attack methods against Israel but has yet to be brought to the United States. The endless possibilities are too terrible to imagine. http://www.balancedpolitics.org/iran_war.htm
Hey Con..  Well at least the article was just providing info, not dictating who's right, who's wrong.....Thinking a "little" info might stimulate a "little" thought........or two....
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We are tired from wares and killing , way we don't love each others and live in peace , we we enjoy taking about ware like we taking about Trip or movie as its normal things how many people have been killid and lost thier sons or families the people who makes the ware do not fight |
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If we do anything in Iran it will only be limited targeting of their
nuclear facilities to destroy them. There will likely be few if any boots on the ground and no need for troops to be deployed there for any length of time or for any significant duty. 
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