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Again, we have no law as of "now" in regards to eating of any tree or not. For again we do not live in the Garden, we do not even have the slightest chance or possibility of eating of the tree of knowledge. For the tree of knowledge was in the Garden of Eden and we do not live in the Garden of Eden. And again, God has not given us any laws on not eating of any tree in this world. well if there is no law in the bible about not eating from a tree then quit claiming that there was a law for Eve ...do God makes laws then reverse them .....whos to say that the tree of knowledge isn't an Orange tree and everyone that eats oranges today is disobeying God's invisible law that's not in the bible now do you understand why it wasn't a law but a direct command to Adam only but not to Eve 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Eve KNEW not to eat of the tree. The law to not eat of the tree is in the scriptures, but again does not apply to us for we do not live in the Garden of Eden. God didn't "change" any law, just that law applied to the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden and we do not live in the Garden of Eden, therefore would be pointless to have that law, "commandment". And God makes no laws and reverses them. What are you talking about Funches? Seriously. it's not about what Eve told the serpent...it's about what God told Eve...you just admitted there is no law today about not eating from a particular tree .... Do you truly not listen? Or do you just act this way to cause frustration? Eve telling the serpent is a display of her knowledge on eating of the tree or not. So obviously she knew, does not matter if God himself told her or not, she knew. But disobeyed anyways. And no, there is not a law TODAY about eating of the tree, for AGAIN, we do not live in the Garden of Eden, we do not live in the paradise. So what point would it be for us to still have the commandment not to eat of the tree, when the tree isn't on this world? Adam simply told Eve what God told him and Eve told the serpent.....again ...unless that law exist today...then there never was a law so you need to find that law to prove your point Answer me this, why would there still be a law on not eating of the tree of life? The tree of life does not exist on this world, we can not even see and or touch of the tree, so why would there still need to be a law about not doing as such? Cowboy...any laws that God has given would still exist today and apply to his followers today .... so if you can not find it in the bible...then it never existed as a law |
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Again, we have no law as of "now" in regards to eating of any tree or not. For again we do not live in the Garden, we do not even have the slightest chance or possibility of eating of the tree of knowledge. For the tree of knowledge was in the Garden of Eden and we do not live in the Garden of Eden. And again, God has not given us any laws on not eating of any tree in this world. well if there is no law in the bible about not eating from a tree then quit claiming that there was a law for Eve ...do God makes laws then reverse them .....whos to say that the tree of knowledge isn't an Orange tree and everyone that eats oranges today is disobeying God's invisible law that's not in the bible now do you understand why it wasn't a law but a direct command to Adam only but not to Eve 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Eve KNEW not to eat of the tree. The law to not eat of the tree is in the scriptures, but again does not apply to us for we do not live in the Garden of Eden. God didn't "change" any law, just that law applied to the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden and we do not live in the Garden of Eden, therefore would be pointless to have that law, "commandment". And God makes no laws and reverses them. What are you talking about Funches? Seriously. it's not about what Eve told the serpent...it's about what God told Eve...you just admitted there is no law today about not eating from a particular tree .... Do you truly not listen? Or do you just act this way to cause frustration? Eve telling the serpent is a display of her knowledge on eating of the tree or not. So obviously she knew, does not matter if God himself told her or not, she knew. But disobeyed anyways. And no, there is not a law TODAY about eating of the tree, for AGAIN, we do not live in the Garden of Eden, we do not live in the paradise. So what point would it be for us to still have the commandment not to eat of the tree, when the tree isn't on this world? Adam simply told Eve what God told him and Eve told the serpent.....again ...unless that law exist today...then there never was a law so you need to find that law to prove your point Answer me this, why would there still be a law on not eating of the tree of life? The tree of life does not exist on this world, we can not even see and or touch of the tree, so why would there still need to be a law about not doing as such? Cowboy...any laws that God has given would still exist today and apply to his followers today .... so if you can not find it in the bible...then it never existed as a law That absolutely did not answer my question. Again, why would it still be a law? Have you seen the Tree of Life recently debating on eating of it's fruit? |
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Not making me sweat one bit lol. You said "have God created the law of physics YET" inferring at that point and time of what we were discussing eg., the creation of Heaven and Earth. I have no idea when God implemented the laws of physics, could have been immediately, could have been when he created man, could have been when he created woman, I do not know. It does not give that exact of detail. Is irrelevant to know anyways, it is unimportant when the laws of physics were implemented. simple logic would tell you that the laws of physics had to been created sometime after the first day of creation ...whenever that was would mark the exact point in which time began....and this is why God is no older than 6,000 years and seven days How so? Again, it does not say God was created then. God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. God has no "starting" point. God has always been and always will be. But for humoring you, I ask you to please give the verse where it says God was created. I know of the verse where Heaven and Earth was created, but please enlighten us with the one where "God" was created. in the bible God's starting point and time began at Genesis 1:1...unless of course you know of any books that existed before the book of Genesis Where does it say "God's" starting point began in Genesis? Says Heaven and Earth's starting point started in Genesis, but where does it say God's starting point was the same? if you can not provide any other books that existed before the book of genesis to state otherwise...then God and time started at Genesis 1:1 Howso? Why would it be important for us to know the time(s) before our creation? That knowledge does not apply to us, would be irrelevant for us to know. And how do you figure God and time started with Genesis 1:1, where does it say that? We're not going on assumptions or guesses, where do you get your knowledge that nothing existed before Genesis? Man didn't exist before Genesis, this much is true, woman did not exist before Genesis, this much is true as well. But where do you get your knowledge that God did not exist before Genesis? God and time started at Genesis 1:1 because it's was all part of the "6 days" of creation ...6 days is the bible making reference as to what time it is and how many days it took ... Yeah, how many days it took to create Heaven and Earth. |
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Edited by
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Tue 01/17/12 08:20 AM
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That absolutely did not answer my question. Again, why would it still be a law? Have you seen the Tree of Life recently debating on eating of it's fruit? the bible does not say which type of tree it was...it could in fact be an apple tree or any tree that still exist today...so if there was ever a law not to eat from a particualr tree it would still be in effect today or as some Christians believe until Jesus came to supposedly full fill it ........so unless you can find such a law...then that law never existed....and that is why it was not a law but a direct command given only to Adam |
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Edited by
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Tue 01/17/12 08:24 AM
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Not making me sweat one bit lol. You said "have God created the law of physics YET" inferring at that point and time of what we were discussing eg., the creation of Heaven and Earth. I have no idea when God implemented the laws of physics, could have been immediately, could have been when he created man, could have been when he created woman, I do not know. It does not give that exact of detail. Is irrelevant to know anyways, it is unimportant when the laws of physics were implemented. simple logic would tell you that the laws of physics had to been created sometime after the first day of creation ...whenever that was would mark the exact point in which time began....and this is why God is no older than 6,000 years and seven days How so? Again, it does not say God was created then. God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. God has no "starting" point. God has always been and always will be. But for humoring you, I ask you to please give the verse where it says God was created. I know of the verse where Heaven and Earth was created, but please enlighten us with the one where "God" was created. in the bible God's starting point and time began at Genesis 1:1...unless of course you know of any books that existed before the book of Genesis Where does it say "God's" starting point began in Genesis? Says Heaven and Earth's starting point started in Genesis, but where does it say God's starting point was the same? if you can not provide any other books that existed before the book of genesis to state otherwise...then God and time started at Genesis 1:1 Howso? Why would it be important for us to know the time(s) before our creation? That knowledge does not apply to us, would be irrelevant for us to know. And how do you figure God and time started with Genesis 1:1, where does it say that? We're not going on assumptions or guesses, where do you get your knowledge that nothing existed before Genesis? Man didn't exist before Genesis, this much is true, woman did not exist before Genesis, this much is true as well. But where do you get your knowledge that God did not exist before Genesis? God and time started at Genesis 1:1 because it's was all part of the "6 days" of creation ...6 days is the bible making reference as to what time it is and how many days it took ... Yeah, how many days it took to create Heaven and Earth. and this is why after the 6 days of creation, God the Heavens and The Earth and all of creation including time itself were all no older than 8 days |
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That absolutely did not answer my question. Again, why would it still be a law? Have you seen the Tree of Life recently debating on eating of it's fruit? the bible does not say which type of tree it was...it could in fact be an apple tree or any tree that still exist today...so if there was ever a law not to eat from a particualr tree it would still be in effect today or as some Christians believe until Jesus came to supposedly full fill it ........so unless you can find such a law...then that law never existed....and that is why it was not a law but a direct command given only to Adam It does say what kind of tree it was, it was the tree of knowledge Genesis 2:17 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die |
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Not making me sweat one bit lol. You said "have God created the law of physics YET" inferring at that point and time of what we were discussing eg., the creation of Heaven and Earth. I have no idea when God implemented the laws of physics, could have been immediately, could have been when he created man, could have been when he created woman, I do not know. It does not give that exact of detail. Is irrelevant to know anyways, it is unimportant when the laws of physics were implemented. simple logic would tell you that the laws of physics had to been created sometime after the first day of creation ...whenever that was would mark the exact point in which time began....and this is why God is no older than 6,000 years and seven days How so? Again, it does not say God was created then. God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. God has no "starting" point. God has always been and always will be. But for humoring you, I ask you to please give the verse where it says God was created. I know of the verse where Heaven and Earth was created, but please enlighten us with the one where "God" was created. in the bible God's starting point and time began at Genesis 1:1...unless of course you know of any books that existed before the book of Genesis Where does it say "God's" starting point began in Genesis? Says Heaven and Earth's starting point started in Genesis, but where does it say God's starting point was the same? if you can not provide any other books that existed before the book of genesis to state otherwise...then God and time started at Genesis 1:1 Howso? Why would it be important for us to know the time(s) before our creation? That knowledge does not apply to us, would be irrelevant for us to know. And how do you figure God and time started with Genesis 1:1, where does it say that? We're not going on assumptions or guesses, where do you get your knowledge that nothing existed before Genesis? Man didn't exist before Genesis, this much is true, woman did not exist before Genesis, this much is true as well. But where do you get your knowledge that God did not exist before Genesis? God and time started at Genesis 1:1 because it's was all part of the "6 days" of creation ...6 days is the bible making reference as to what time it is and how many days it took ... Yeah, how many days it took to create Heaven and Earth. and this is why after the 6 days of creation, God the Heavens and The Earth and all of creation including time itself were all no older than 8 days But where does it say God was created then? God is a being, he is our father. Heaven is a place, a location. The two are not the same. |
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But where does it say God was created then? God is a being, he is our father. Heaven is a place, a location. The two are not the same. according to the bible and your belief "everything" was created during those 6 days.....this would include God and Time |
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It does say what kind of tree it was, it was the tree of knowledge Genesis 2:17 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die tree of knowledge may refer to an apple tree...... if not eating from the tree was a law then it would apply to all not just to Adam and Eve...remember when you tried to go against the bible by arguing that God created other people the same time he created Adam and Eve so now I'm going to use that crazy post against you....this is why if a law exist it would apply to all of those that you tried to claim existed along with Adam and Eve ... so either find that law or move on |
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But where does it say God was created then? God is a being, he is our father. Heaven is a place, a location. The two are not the same. according to the bible and your belief "everything" was created during those 6 days.....this would include God and Time According to the bible and my belief, "Heaven and Earth" was created in 6 days. God has always been, he has no starting point, no creation of himself. |
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It does say what kind of tree it was, it was the tree of knowledge Genesis 2:17 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die tree of knowledge may refer to an apple tree...... if not eating from the tree was a law then it would apply to all not just to Adam and Eve...remember when you tried to go against the bible by arguing that God created other people the same time he created Adam and Eve so now I'm going to use that crazy post against you....this is why if a law exist it would apply to all of those that you tried to claim existed along with Adam and Eve ... so either find that law or move on The tree of knowledge is just that, the tree of knowledge. Is not an apple tree, orange tree, or a pair tree. It is the tree of knowledge. That law does still apply today, not to eat of the tree of knowledge. But the tree of knowledge is in the Garden of Eden, it is not here on this Earth. So that law would be mute to still be informed of, would be entirely impossible to break that law. |
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It does say what kind of tree it was, it was the tree of knowledge Genesis 2:17 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die tree of knowledge may refer to an apple tree...... if not eating from the tree was a law then it would apply to all not just to Adam and Eve...remember when you tried to go against the bible by arguing that God created other people the same time he created Adam and Eve so now I'm going to use that crazy post against you....this is why if a law exist it would apply to all of those that you tried to claim existed along with Adam and Eve ... so either find that law or move on The tree of knowledge is just that, the tree of knowledge. Is not an apple tree, orange tree, or a pair tree. It is the tree of knowledge. That law does still apply today, not to eat of the tree of knowledge. But the tree of knowledge is in the Garden of Eden, it is not here on this Earth. So that law would be mute to still be informed of, would be entirely impossible to break that law. if not eating from the tree was a law then it would apply to all not just to Adam and Eve...remember when you tried to go against the bible by arguing that God created other people the same time he created Adam and Eve Genesis 5:4 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters Notice, sons and DAUGHTERS. |
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The tree of knowledge is just that, the tree of knowledge. Is not an apple tree, orange tree, or a pair tree. It is the tree of knowledge. That law does still apply today, not to eat of the tree of knowledge. But the tree of knowledge is in the Garden of Eden, it is not here on this Earth. So that law would be mute to still be informed of, would be entirely impossible to break that law. if you claim that the law still exist today then it would have been handed down to Moses.....so can you place the law which states "that you are not supposed to eat from the tree of knowledge" in your next post |
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so if you can not find it in the bible...then it never existed as a law ...Um, God didn't write the Bible. ..and if the contents are 'true'.. He only would have 'written' the context for ten lines; i.e., the Commandments; and that was on stone, not litmus paper. |
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Edited by
funches
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Wed 01/18/12 05:43 AM
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It does say what kind of tree it was, it was the tree of knowledge Genesis 2:17 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die tree of knowledge may refer to an apple tree...... if not eating from the tree was a law then it would apply to all not just to Adam and Eve...remember when you tried to go against the bible by arguing that God created other people the same time he created Adam and Eve so now I'm going to use that crazy post against you....this is why if a law exist it would apply to all of those that you tried to claim existed along with Adam and Eve ... so either find that law or move on The tree of knowledge is just that, the tree of knowledge. Is not an apple tree, orange tree, or a pair tree. It is the tree of knowledge. That law does still apply today, not to eat of the tree of knowledge. But the tree of knowledge is in the Garden of Eden, it is not here on this Earth. So that law would be mute to still be informed of, would be entirely impossible to break that law. if not eating from the tree was a law then it would apply to all not just to Adam and Eve...remember when you tried to go against the bible by arguing that God created other people the same time he created Adam and Eve Genesis 5:4 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters Notice, sons and DAUGHTERS. you said that God created other people at the "same time" he created Adam and formed Eve....I know you have trouble understanding the birds and the bees concept but generally children comes during their parents existence not at the "same time" |
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It doesn't state what kind of tree it was..
In the Bible it says "Fruit". But nowhere does it identify what 'fruit' that actually was. Just saying. God said to Adam.. "you may eat any of the fruit from these trees." The snake tempted Eve to 'eat the fruit from this tree'. But never does it say what fruit. |
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Genesis 5:4 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters Notice, sons and DAUGHTERS. Not to mention... Your little quote here says that Adam.. was 800 years old when he had Seth. >.> |
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so if you can not find it in the bible...then it never existed as a law ...Um, God didn't write the Bible. ..and if the contents are 'true'.. He only would have 'written' the context for ten lines; i.e., the Commandments; and that was on stone, not litmus paper. when watching a movie you have to play like the characters are real ...the same thing here.....in the movie "Religion" the character called God did write/inspire the bible |
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so if you can not find it in the bible...then it never existed as a law ...Um, God didn't write the Bible. ..and if the contents are 'true'.. He only would have 'written' the context for ten lines; i.e., the Commandments; and that was on stone, not litmus paper. when watching a movie you have to play like the characters are real ...the same thing here.....in the movie "Religion" the character called God did write/inspire the bible Oh..Wait.. we're talking about a movie? o.o |
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so if you can not find it in the bible...then it never existed as a law ...Um, God didn't write the Bible. ..and if the contents are 'true'.. He only would have 'written' the context for ten lines; i.e., the Commandments; and that was on stone, not litmus paper. when watching a movie you have to play like the characters are real ...the same thing here.....in the movie "Religion" the character called God did write/inspire the bible Oh..Wait.. we're talking about a movie? o.o a book |
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