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Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years. according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient ..... so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying? God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such? according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God .. Please do enlighten us with these verses that back your claim. Cause I never seen in my readings where it said "These are the days when the LORD God made the Earth and Heavens in 500 bc. or anything of such. So please do enlighten us where you get this time frame. time started at Genesis 1:1......it took God six days to create and one day to rest, Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the biblical stories suggest that it's less, so to be on the safe side that makes the age of God around 6,000 years and 7 days old, give or take a day or two ... Time did not start in Genesis 1:1, the creation of Earth and Heaven happened in Genesis 1, but that does not mean time started then. And where do you get this that Christians believe the world is around 6000 years old? What scriptural evidence do they have to support such a statement? time and Alpha started exactly at Genesis 1:1 simply because nothing supposedly existed not even time.....and at that point in time in Genesis 1:1 the bible becomes a diary as to how old the Earth and God may be ....with the adages "BC and AD" .... according to this evidence God is no older than 6,000 years and 7 days old Show me a verse where it says "God" was created, made, and or came into existence in Genesis. Genesis 1:1 says nothing about Alpha starting, or even really time starting. Only gives a summary of the information that was bout to be given in the scriptures about the creation of Heaven, Earth. Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. right....that is the verse when time and the Alpha began ...you keep forgetting that nothing existed...wouldn't that also include "time" this is why God is around 6,000 years old ...he's just a lad Where does it say in that verse "nothing" existed? Obviously something existed lol, "In the beginning when "God" created". Does not say when God was created, does not say when time was created. the bible reveals the day when the Heavens and the Earth was created ..they were created on the first day ...this is when "time" and God's birthday start How do you figure as such? Heaven and Earth are merely places, what does that have to do with time and God? And if it's God's birthday eg., the day he came into existence, how could he be creating Heaven and Earth? Something can not create something when it is not in existence. Plus this verse does not say when God was created or came into existence, again just merely speaks of the two places of Heaven and Earth. |
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Tending and "dress up" are not the same. Gardeners "tend" their gardens. Dressing something up would be more so making it home, making it the way you want it. In this specific area, would have some gardening yes. Planting flowers, plants, and other shrubs where Adam wanted them placed in his home. Making shelter where he wished out of what he wished to use, ect. you asked for a passage from the bible that stated "tend" the garden and I gave you one...if you are not going to except it....only shows that you have no respect for what's in the bible But God didn't place Adam in the Garden to "Tend" it. He placed Adam in the Garden to make it his home. To dress it and keep it, dress it says he could do whatever he wished to the altering/caring of the Garden. If he was placed there to "Tend" it, there would have been guidelines, God would have told Adam to do specific things to the Garden. To grow a lawn, or some form of Garden, you already know you need to plant the plants and water them for them to grow, because you have been taught that as you grew up. Adam had no "growing" up in the same sense we do. He was made a man, not a child. So God had to tell him to tend the Garden so it wouldn't wither away, because again Adam did not have any knowledge at all except what God had revealed to him. Genesis 2:15 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. nope..I gave you a passage that stated "tend"...all you did was run to another bible which indicate that you believe the words written in each bible have different meanings .....in other words...you have no Faith in the bible But nevertheless even with the word "tend". Adam was to make the Garden his home. He wasn't out there in the Garden hoeing God's potatoes, or any work specifically for God. God was merely saying he would have to work for his food eg., tending a garden and that the food wasn't going to be handed to him on a silver platter. if there were potatos in the garden that needed to be hoed then Adam was out there hoeing with them .....if God told Adam that he had to work for his food...that mean that he had to help grow it not dress it...that is why he was place there to tend it |
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Tending and "dress up" are not the same. Gardeners "tend" their gardens. Dressing something up would be more so making it home, making it the way you want it. In this specific area, would have some gardening yes. Planting flowers, plants, and other shrubs where Adam wanted them placed in his home. Making shelter where he wished out of what he wished to use, ect. you asked for a passage from the bible that stated "tend" the garden and I gave you one...if you are not going to except it....only shows that you have no respect for what's in the bible But God didn't place Adam in the Garden to "Tend" it. He placed Adam in the Garden to make it his home. To dress it and keep it, dress it says he could do whatever he wished to the altering/caring of the Garden. If he was placed there to "Tend" it, there would have been guidelines, God would have told Adam to do specific things to the Garden. To grow a lawn, or some form of Garden, you already know you need to plant the plants and water them for them to grow, because you have been taught that as you grew up. Adam had no "growing" up in the same sense we do. He was made a man, not a child. So God had to tell him to tend the Garden so it wouldn't wither away, because again Adam did not have any knowledge at all except what God had revealed to him. Genesis 2:15 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. nope..I gave you a passage that stated "tend"...all you did was run to another bible which indicate that you believe the words written in each bible have different meanings .....in other words...you have no Faith in the bible But nevertheless even with the word "tend". Adam was to make the Garden his home. He wasn't out there in the Garden hoeing God's potatoes, or any work specifically for God. God was merely saying he would have to work for his food eg., tending a garden and that the food wasn't going to be handed to him on a silver platter. if there were potatos in the garden that needed to be hoed then Adam was out there hoeing with them .....if God told Adam that he had to work for his food...that mean that he had to help grow it not dress it...that is why he was place there to tend it Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, attending them to make sure they grow, ect. |
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Yes I have sinned and no nothing happened to me, because that's not how the covenant we are under now does things. In the covenant we have now, there is ONE judgement, one punishment. In the covenant before the one we are currently under, people were judged and punished for their sins then and there. you sinned because you don't care...but yet you are so quick to condemn Eve You have no idea why I sinned, but thanks for showing your arrogance :). And quick to judge, for I condemned no one. I said nothing foul of Eve. I've never once said I was better then Eve or any other person, nor have I downed anyone for anything they may have done. What in the world are you talking about Funches? Please try to stay on topic and not attack the person discussing with you with saying things such as "you sinned because you don't care". so are you trying to say that you can provide a good excuse why it's ok for you to sin ....jeez and you called me arrogant you keep forgetting that it was sin that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden There is no excuse, nothing that justifies my sinful actions, don't know what you're talking about. Again, please try not to attack the one your discussing with. trying to teach you the different between breaking a commandment and denying a direct command from God by using your admission of sinning is not an attack only an example ....telling you to grow a pair and quit whining may constitue as an attack...perhaps |
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Yes I have sinned and no nothing happened to me, because that's not how the covenant we are under now does things. In the covenant we have now, there is ONE judgement, one punishment. In the covenant before the one we are currently under, people were judged and punished for their sins then and there. you sinned because you don't care...but yet you are so quick to condemn Eve You have no idea why I sinned, but thanks for showing your arrogance :). And quick to judge, for I condemned no one. I said nothing foul of Eve. I've never once said I was better then Eve or any other person, nor have I downed anyone for anything they may have done. What in the world are you talking about Funches? Please try to stay on topic and not attack the person discussing with you with saying things such as "you sinned because you don't care". so are you trying to say that you can provide a good excuse why it's ok for you to sin ....jeez and you called me arrogant you keep forgetting that it was sin that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden There is no excuse, nothing that justifies my sinful actions, don't know what you're talking about. Again, please try not to attack the one your discussing with. trying to teach you the different between breaking a commandment and denying a direct command from God by using your admission of sinning is not an attack only an example ....telling you to grow a pair and quit whining may constitue as an attack...perhaps There is no difference between breaking a commandment from God and denying a direct command from God. They both are a command from God. They are both his will. Again, no difference. |
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Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years. according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient ..... so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying? God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such? according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God .. Please do enlighten us with these verses that back your claim. Cause I never seen in my readings where it said "These are the days when the LORD God made the Earth and Heavens in 500 bc. or anything of such. So please do enlighten us where you get this time frame. time started at Genesis 1:1......it took God six days to create and one day to rest, Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the biblical stories suggest that it's less, so to be on the safe side that makes the age of God around 6,000 years and 7 days old, give or take a day or two ... Time did not start in Genesis 1:1, the creation of Earth and Heaven happened in Genesis 1, but that does not mean time started then. And where do you get this that Christians believe the world is around 6000 years old? What scriptural evidence do they have to support such a statement? time and Alpha started exactly at Genesis 1:1 simply because nothing supposedly existed not even time.....and at that point in time in Genesis 1:1 the bible becomes a diary as to how old the Earth and God may be ....with the adages "BC and AD" .... according to this evidence God is no older than 6,000 years and 7 days old Show me a verse where it says "God" was created, made, and or came into existence in Genesis. Genesis 1:1 says nothing about Alpha starting, or even really time starting. Only gives a summary of the information that was bout to be given in the scriptures about the creation of Heaven, Earth. Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. right....that is the verse when time and the Alpha began ...you keep forgetting that nothing existed...wouldn't that also include "time" this is why God is around 6,000 years old ...he's just a lad Where does it say in that verse "nothing" existed? Obviously something existed lol, "In the beginning when "God" created". Does not say when God was created, does not say when time was created. the bible reveals the day when the Heavens and the Earth was created ..they were created on the first day ...this is when "time" and God's birthday start How do you figure as such? Heaven and Earth are merely places, what does that have to do with time and God? And if it's God's birthday eg., the day he came into existence, how could he be creating Heaven and Earth? Something can not create something when it is not in existence. Plus this verse does not say when God was created or came into existence, again just merely speaks of the two places of Heaven and Earth. Heaven and Earth once created was under the juridiction of the laws of physics and the laws of physics are under the jurisdiction of "time" ...this is why Genesis 1:1 is the point in which time and the age of God started... I was trying to explain it without using science ... |
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Tending and "dress up" are not the same. Gardeners "tend" their gardens. Dressing something up would be more so making it home, making it the way you want it. In this specific area, would have some gardening yes. Planting flowers, plants, and other shrubs where Adam wanted them placed in his home. Making shelter where he wished out of what he wished to use, ect. you asked for a passage from the bible that stated "tend" the garden and I gave you one...if you are not going to except it....only shows that you have no respect for what's in the bible But God didn't place Adam in the Garden to "Tend" it. He placed Adam in the Garden to make it his home. To dress it and keep it, dress it says he could do whatever he wished to the altering/caring of the Garden. If he was placed there to "Tend" it, there would have been guidelines, God would have told Adam to do specific things to the Garden. To grow a lawn, or some form of Garden, you already know you need to plant the plants and water them for them to grow, because you have been taught that as you grew up. Adam had no "growing" up in the same sense we do. He was made a man, not a child. So God had to tell him to tend the Garden so it wouldn't wither away, because again Adam did not have any knowledge at all except what God had revealed to him. Genesis 2:15 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. nope..I gave you a passage that stated "tend"...all you did was run to another bible which indicate that you believe the words written in each bible have different meanings .....in other words...you have no Faith in the bible But nevertheless even with the word "tend". Adam was to make the Garden his home. He wasn't out there in the Garden hoeing God's potatoes, or any work specifically for God. God was merely saying he would have to work for his food eg., tending a garden and that the food wasn't going to be handed to him on a silver platter. if there were potatos in the garden that needed to be hoed then Adam was out there hoeing with them .....if God told Adam that he had to work for his food...that mean that he had to help grow it not dress it...that is why he was place there to tend it Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, attending them to make sure they grow, ect. you don't "attend" a garden to make thing grow...you "tend" it |
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Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years. according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient ..... so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying? God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such? according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God .. Please do enlighten us with these verses that back your claim. Cause I never seen in my readings where it said "These are the days when the LORD God made the Earth and Heavens in 500 bc. or anything of such. So please do enlighten us where you get this time frame. time started at Genesis 1:1......it took God six days to create and one day to rest, Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the biblical stories suggest that it's less, so to be on the safe side that makes the age of God around 6,000 years and 7 days old, give or take a day or two ... Time did not start in Genesis 1:1, the creation of Earth and Heaven happened in Genesis 1, but that does not mean time started then. And where do you get this that Christians believe the world is around 6000 years old? What scriptural evidence do they have to support such a statement? time and Alpha started exactly at Genesis 1:1 simply because nothing supposedly existed not even time.....and at that point in time in Genesis 1:1 the bible becomes a diary as to how old the Earth and God may be ....with the adages "BC and AD" .... according to this evidence God is no older than 6,000 years and 7 days old Show me a verse where it says "God" was created, made, and or came into existence in Genesis. Genesis 1:1 says nothing about Alpha starting, or even really time starting. Only gives a summary of the information that was bout to be given in the scriptures about the creation of Heaven, Earth. Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. right....that is the verse when time and the Alpha began ...you keep forgetting that nothing existed...wouldn't that also include "time" this is why God is around 6,000 years old ...he's just a lad Where does it say in that verse "nothing" existed? Obviously something existed lol, "In the beginning when "God" created". Does not say when God was created, does not say when time was created. the bible reveals the day when the Heavens and the Earth was created ..they were created on the first day ...this is when "time" and God's birthday start How do you figure as such? Heaven and Earth are merely places, what does that have to do with time and God? And if it's God's birthday eg., the day he came into existence, how could he be creating Heaven and Earth? Something can not create something when it is not in existence. Plus this verse does not say when God was created or came into existence, again just merely speaks of the two places of Heaven and Earth. Heaven and Earth once created was under the juridiction of the laws of physics and the laws of physics are under the jurisdiction of "time" ...this is why Genesis 1:1 is the point in which time and the age of God started... I was trying to explain it without using science ... LoL, you're really funny Funches. Heaven and Earth are under no jurisdiction unless God places it under those jurisdictions. God created laws of physics, and any other law you can think of. And again, no where in that verse is any mention of the creation of God, only the two places Heaven and Earth. REGARDLESS of any time frame, or laws of physics or anything of that. Please try to keep up Funches, the discussion is on your statement of God coming into existence in Genesis 1. Please show me where it says God came into existence in Genesis 1. I only see God creating Heaven and Earth summary in Genesis 1. So once again, I ask of you please enlighten us all to your great wisdom and knowledge in showing where it specifically says God came into existence in that verse. |
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Yes I have sinned and no nothing happened to me, because that's not how the covenant we are under now does things. In the covenant we have now, there is ONE judgement, one punishment. In the covenant before the one we are currently under, people were judged and punished for their sins then and there. you sinned because you don't care...but yet you are so quick to condemn Eve You have no idea why I sinned, but thanks for showing your arrogance :). And quick to judge, for I condemned no one. I said nothing foul of Eve. I've never once said I was better then Eve or any other person, nor have I downed anyone for anything they may have done. What in the world are you talking about Funches? Please try to stay on topic and not attack the person discussing with you with saying things such as "you sinned because you don't care". so are you trying to say that you can provide a good excuse why it's ok for you to sin ....jeez and you called me arrogant you keep forgetting that it was sin that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden There is no excuse, nothing that justifies my sinful actions, don't know what you're talking about. Again, please try not to attack the one your discussing with. trying to teach you the different between breaking a commandment and denying a direct command from God by using your admission of sinning is not an attack only an example ....telling you to grow a pair and quit whining may constitue as an attack...perhaps There is no difference between breaking a commandment from God and denying a direct command from God. They both are a command from God. They are both his will. Again, no difference. provide a passage where God told Eve not to eat from the tree ... perhaps then you will learn the difference |
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Tending and "dress up" are not the same. Gardeners "tend" their gardens. Dressing something up would be more so making it home, making it the way you want it. In this specific area, would have some gardening yes. Planting flowers, plants, and other shrubs where Adam wanted them placed in his home. Making shelter where he wished out of what he wished to use, ect. you asked for a passage from the bible that stated "tend" the garden and I gave you one...if you are not going to except it....only shows that you have no respect for what's in the bible But God didn't place Adam in the Garden to "Tend" it. He placed Adam in the Garden to make it his home. To dress it and keep it, dress it says he could do whatever he wished to the altering/caring of the Garden. If he was placed there to "Tend" it, there would have been guidelines, God would have told Adam to do specific things to the Garden. To grow a lawn, or some form of Garden, you already know you need to plant the plants and water them for them to grow, because you have been taught that as you grew up. Adam had no "growing" up in the same sense we do. He was made a man, not a child. So God had to tell him to tend the Garden so it wouldn't wither away, because again Adam did not have any knowledge at all except what God had revealed to him. Genesis 2:15 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. nope..I gave you a passage that stated "tend"...all you did was run to another bible which indicate that you believe the words written in each bible have different meanings .....in other words...you have no Faith in the bible But nevertheless even with the word "tend". Adam was to make the Garden his home. He wasn't out there in the Garden hoeing God's potatoes, or any work specifically for God. God was merely saying he would have to work for his food eg., tending a garden and that the food wasn't going to be handed to him on a silver platter. if there were potatos in the garden that needed to be hoed then Adam was out there hoeing with them .....if God told Adam that he had to work for his food...that mean that he had to help grow it not dress it...that is why he was place there to tend it Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, attending them to make sure they grow, ect. you don't "attend" a garden to make thing grow...you "tend" it Ok I'm sorry typo police, it's late and I made a typing error. I'll restate the comment "Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, tending to them to make sure they grow, ect. God doesn't hand over anything freely and on a silver platter. Everything is worked for. Jesus paid the price for us all on the cross when it comes to salvation. But when it comes to physical survival we are still the ones responsible for that. Why should/would God feed you when you can do it on your own after he had given the knowledge of how to do so? |
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Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years. according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient ..... so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying? God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such? according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God .. Please do enlighten us with these verses that back your claim. Cause I never seen in my readings where it said "These are the days when the LORD God made the Earth and Heavens in 500 bc. or anything of such. So please do enlighten us where you get this time frame. time started at Genesis 1:1......it took God six days to create and one day to rest, Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the biblical stories suggest that it's less, so to be on the safe side that makes the age of God around 6,000 years and 7 days old, give or take a day or two ... Time did not start in Genesis 1:1, the creation of Earth and Heaven happened in Genesis 1, but that does not mean time started then. And where do you get this that Christians believe the world is around 6000 years old? What scriptural evidence do they have to support such a statement? time and Alpha started exactly at Genesis 1:1 simply because nothing supposedly existed not even time.....and at that point in time in Genesis 1:1 the bible becomes a diary as to how old the Earth and God may be ....with the adages "BC and AD" .... according to this evidence God is no older than 6,000 years and 7 days old Show me a verse where it says "God" was created, made, and or came into existence in Genesis. Genesis 1:1 says nothing about Alpha starting, or even really time starting. Only gives a summary of the information that was bout to be given in the scriptures about the creation of Heaven, Earth. Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. right....that is the verse when time and the Alpha began ...you keep forgetting that nothing existed...wouldn't that also include "time" this is why God is around 6,000 years old ...he's just a lad Where does it say in that verse "nothing" existed? Obviously something existed lol, "In the beginning when "God" created". Does not say when God was created, does not say when time was created. the bible reveals the day when the Heavens and the Earth was created ..they were created on the first day ...this is when "time" and God's birthday start How do you figure as such? Heaven and Earth are merely places, what does that have to do with time and God? And if it's God's birthday eg., the day he came into existence, how could he be creating Heaven and Earth? Something can not create something when it is not in existence. Plus this verse does not say when God was created or came into existence, again just merely speaks of the two places of Heaven and Earth. Heaven and Earth once created was under the juridiction of the laws of physics and the laws of physics are under the jurisdiction of "time" ...this is why Genesis 1:1 is the point in which time and the age of God started... I was trying to explain it without using science ... LoL, you're really funny Funches. Heaven and Earth are under no jurisdiction unless God places it under those jurisdictions. God created laws of physics, and any other law you can think of. are you saying that he hasn't done this yet? |
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Yes I have sinned and no nothing happened to me, because that's not how the covenant we are under now does things. In the covenant we have now, there is ONE judgement, one punishment. In the covenant before the one we are currently under, people were judged and punished for their sins then and there. you sinned because you don't care...but yet you are so quick to condemn Eve You have no idea why I sinned, but thanks for showing your arrogance :). And quick to judge, for I condemned no one. I said nothing foul of Eve. I've never once said I was better then Eve or any other person, nor have I downed anyone for anything they may have done. What in the world are you talking about Funches? Please try to stay on topic and not attack the person discussing with you with saying things such as "you sinned because you don't care". so are you trying to say that you can provide a good excuse why it's ok for you to sin ....jeez and you called me arrogant you keep forgetting that it was sin that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden There is no excuse, nothing that justifies my sinful actions, don't know what you're talking about. Again, please try not to attack the one your discussing with. trying to teach you the different between breaking a commandment and denying a direct command from God by using your admission of sinning is not an attack only an example ....telling you to grow a pair and quit whining may constitue as an attack...perhaps There is no difference between breaking a commandment from God and denying a direct command from God. They both are a command from God. They are both his will. Again, no difference. provide a passage where God told Eve not to eat from the tree ... perhaps then you will learn the difference What would be the point in telling someone something they already know? For she knew not to eat of the fruit. 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. |
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Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years. according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient ..... so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying? God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such? according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God .. Please do enlighten us with these verses that back your claim. Cause I never seen in my readings where it said "These are the days when the LORD God made the Earth and Heavens in 500 bc. or anything of such. So please do enlighten us where you get this time frame. time started at Genesis 1:1......it took God six days to create and one day to rest, Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the biblical stories suggest that it's less, so to be on the safe side that makes the age of God around 6,000 years and 7 days old, give or take a day or two ... Time did not start in Genesis 1:1, the creation of Earth and Heaven happened in Genesis 1, but that does not mean time started then. And where do you get this that Christians believe the world is around 6000 years old? What scriptural evidence do they have to support such a statement? time and Alpha started exactly at Genesis 1:1 simply because nothing supposedly existed not even time.....and at that point in time in Genesis 1:1 the bible becomes a diary as to how old the Earth and God may be ....with the adages "BC and AD" .... according to this evidence God is no older than 6,000 years and 7 days old Show me a verse where it says "God" was created, made, and or came into existence in Genesis. Genesis 1:1 says nothing about Alpha starting, or even really time starting. Only gives a summary of the information that was bout to be given in the scriptures about the creation of Heaven, Earth. Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. right....that is the verse when time and the Alpha began ...you keep forgetting that nothing existed...wouldn't that also include "time" this is why God is around 6,000 years old ...he's just a lad Where does it say in that verse "nothing" existed? Obviously something existed lol, "In the beginning when "God" created". Does not say when God was created, does not say when time was created. the bible reveals the day when the Heavens and the Earth was created ..they were created on the first day ...this is when "time" and God's birthday start How do you figure as such? Heaven and Earth are merely places, what does that have to do with time and God? And if it's God's birthday eg., the day he came into existence, how could he be creating Heaven and Earth? Something can not create something when it is not in existence. Plus this verse does not say when God was created or came into existence, again just merely speaks of the two places of Heaven and Earth. Heaven and Earth once created was under the juridiction of the laws of physics and the laws of physics are under the jurisdiction of "time" ...this is why Genesis 1:1 is the point in which time and the age of God started... I was trying to explain it without using science ... LoL, you're really funny Funches. Heaven and Earth are under no jurisdiction unless God places it under those jurisdictions. God created laws of physics, and any other law you can think of. are you saying that he hasn't done this yet? Hasn't done what? o.O Created the Heavens and Earth? Do you know what this big rock is that you live on? It's called the Earth. And the word "created" is past tense, means it's already happened. |
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Tending and "dress up" are not the same. Gardeners "tend" their gardens. Dressing something up would be more so making it home, making it the way you want it. In this specific area, would have some gardening yes. Planting flowers, plants, and other shrubs where Adam wanted them placed in his home. Making shelter where he wished out of what he wished to use, ect. you asked for a passage from the bible that stated "tend" the garden and I gave you one...if you are not going to except it....only shows that you have no respect for what's in the bible But God didn't place Adam in the Garden to "Tend" it. He placed Adam in the Garden to make it his home. To dress it and keep it, dress it says he could do whatever he wished to the altering/caring of the Garden. If he was placed there to "Tend" it, there would have been guidelines, God would have told Adam to do specific things to the Garden. To grow a lawn, or some form of Garden, you already know you need to plant the plants and water them for them to grow, because you have been taught that as you grew up. Adam had no "growing" up in the same sense we do. He was made a man, not a child. So God had to tell him to tend the Garden so it wouldn't wither away, because again Adam did not have any knowledge at all except what God had revealed to him. Genesis 2:15 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. nope..I gave you a passage that stated "tend"...all you did was run to another bible which indicate that you believe the words written in each bible have different meanings .....in other words...you have no Faith in the bible But nevertheless even with the word "tend". Adam was to make the Garden his home. He wasn't out there in the Garden hoeing God's potatoes, or any work specifically for God. God was merely saying he would have to work for his food eg., tending a garden and that the food wasn't going to be handed to him on a silver platter. if there were potatos in the garden that needed to be hoed then Adam was out there hoeing with them .....if God told Adam that he had to work for his food...that mean that he had to help grow it not dress it...that is why he was place there to tend it Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, attending them to make sure they grow, ect. you don't "attend" a garden to make thing grow...you "tend" it Ok I'm sorry typo police, it's late and I made a typing error. I'll restate the comment "Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, tending to them to make sure they grow, ect. God doesn't hand over anything freely and on a silver platter. Everything is worked for. Jesus paid the price for us all on the cross when it comes to salvation. But when it comes to physical survival we are still the ones responsible for that. Why should/would God feed you when you can do it on your own after he had given the knowledge of how to do so? see..you just agreed with me...when you said that "tend" is to make sure the plants grow .... |
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Tending and "dress up" are not the same. Gardeners "tend" their gardens. Dressing something up would be more so making it home, making it the way you want it. In this specific area, would have some gardening yes. Planting flowers, plants, and other shrubs where Adam wanted them placed in his home. Making shelter where he wished out of what he wished to use, ect. you asked for a passage from the bible that stated "tend" the garden and I gave you one...if you are not going to except it....only shows that you have no respect for what's in the bible But God didn't place Adam in the Garden to "Tend" it. He placed Adam in the Garden to make it his home. To dress it and keep it, dress it says he could do whatever he wished to the altering/caring of the Garden. If he was placed there to "Tend" it, there would have been guidelines, God would have told Adam to do specific things to the Garden. To grow a lawn, or some form of Garden, you already know you need to plant the plants and water them for them to grow, because you have been taught that as you grew up. Adam had no "growing" up in the same sense we do. He was made a man, not a child. So God had to tell him to tend the Garden so it wouldn't wither away, because again Adam did not have any knowledge at all except what God had revealed to him. Genesis 2:15 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. nope..I gave you a passage that stated "tend"...all you did was run to another bible which indicate that you believe the words written in each bible have different meanings .....in other words...you have no Faith in the bible But nevertheless even with the word "tend". Adam was to make the Garden his home. He wasn't out there in the Garden hoeing God's potatoes, or any work specifically for God. God was merely saying he would have to work for his food eg., tending a garden and that the food wasn't going to be handed to him on a silver platter. if there were potatos in the garden that needed to be hoed then Adam was out there hoeing with them .....if God told Adam that he had to work for his food...that mean that he had to help grow it not dress it...that is why he was place there to tend it Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, attending them to make sure they grow, ect. you don't "attend" a garden to make thing grow...you "tend" it Ok I'm sorry typo police, it's late and I made a typing error. I'll restate the comment "Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, tending to them to make sure they grow, ect. God doesn't hand over anything freely and on a silver platter. Everything is worked for. Jesus paid the price for us all on the cross when it comes to salvation. But when it comes to physical survival we are still the ones responsible for that. Why should/would God feed you when you can do it on your own after he had given the knowledge of how to do so? see..you just agreed with me...when you said that "tend" is to make sure the plants grow .... Yes, but he was not tending the Garden for God. He was tending the Garden for his own survival, he was tending it to eat, to grow. This is what I ment the entire time for you claimed Adam was made to tend the Garden. And no he was not made to tend the garden, the garden was given to Adam for food, shelter, ect. But it was Adam's job to tend his own food, God wasn't going to be a house keeper or cook for Adam. |
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Yes I have sinned and no nothing happened to me, because that's not how the covenant we are under now does things. In the covenant we have now, there is ONE judgement, one punishment. In the covenant before the one we are currently under, people were judged and punished for their sins then and there. you sinned because you don't care...but yet you are so quick to condemn Eve You have no idea why I sinned, but thanks for showing your arrogance :). And quick to judge, for I condemned no one. I said nothing foul of Eve. I've never once said I was better then Eve or any other person, nor have I downed anyone for anything they may have done. What in the world are you talking about Funches? Please try to stay on topic and not attack the person discussing with you with saying things such as "you sinned because you don't care". so are you trying to say that you can provide a good excuse why it's ok for you to sin ....jeez and you called me arrogant you keep forgetting that it was sin that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden There is no excuse, nothing that justifies my sinful actions, don't know what you're talking about. Again, please try not to attack the one your discussing with. trying to teach you the different between breaking a commandment and denying a direct command from God by using your admission of sinning is not an attack only an example ....telling you to grow a pair and quit whining may constitue as an attack...perhaps There is no difference between breaking a commandment from God and denying a direct command from God. They both are a command from God. They are both his will. Again, no difference. provide a passage where God told Eve not to eat from the tree ... perhaps then you will learn the difference What would be the point in telling someone something they already know? For she knew not to eat of the fruit. 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. that direct command was given to Adam only..I've ask you for a passage that God indicated that Eve also have to follow that command ... |
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Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years. according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient ..... so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying? God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such? according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God .. Please do enlighten us with these verses that back your claim. Cause I never seen in my readings where it said "These are the days when the LORD God made the Earth and Heavens in 500 bc. or anything of such. So please do enlighten us where you get this time frame. time started at Genesis 1:1......it took God six days to create and one day to rest, Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the biblical stories suggest that it's less, so to be on the safe side that makes the age of God around 6,000 years and 7 days old, give or take a day or two ... Time did not start in Genesis 1:1, the creation of Earth and Heaven happened in Genesis 1, but that does not mean time started then. And where do you get this that Christians believe the world is around 6000 years old? What scriptural evidence do they have to support such a statement? time and Alpha started exactly at Genesis 1:1 simply because nothing supposedly existed not even time.....and at that point in time in Genesis 1:1 the bible becomes a diary as to how old the Earth and God may be ....with the adages "BC and AD" .... according to this evidence God is no older than 6,000 years and 7 days old Show me a verse where it says "God" was created, made, and or came into existence in Genesis. Genesis 1:1 says nothing about Alpha starting, or even really time starting. Only gives a summary of the information that was bout to be given in the scriptures about the creation of Heaven, Earth. Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. right....that is the verse when time and the Alpha began ...you keep forgetting that nothing existed...wouldn't that also include "time" this is why God is around 6,000 years old ...he's just a lad Where does it say in that verse "nothing" existed? Obviously something existed lol, "In the beginning when "God" created". Does not say when God was created, does not say when time was created. the bible reveals the day when the Heavens and the Earth was created ..they were created on the first day ...this is when "time" and God's birthday start How do you figure as such? Heaven and Earth are merely places, what does that have to do with time and God? And if it's God's birthday eg., the day he came into existence, how could he be creating Heaven and Earth? Something can not create something when it is not in existence. Plus this verse does not say when God was created or came into existence, again just merely speaks of the two places of Heaven and Earth. Heaven and Earth once created was under the juridiction of the laws of physics and the laws of physics are under the jurisdiction of "time" ...this is why Genesis 1:1 is the point in which time and the age of God started... I was trying to explain it without using science ... LoL, you're really funny Funches. Heaven and Earth are under no jurisdiction unless God places it under those jurisdictions. God created laws of physics, and any other law you can think of. are you saying that he hasn't done this yet? Hasn't done what? o.O Created the Heavens and Earth? Do you know what this big rock is that you live on? It's called the Earth. And the word "created" is past tense, means it's already happened. I've asked have God created the laws of physics yet? |
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Yes I have sinned and no nothing happened to me, because that's not how the covenant we are under now does things. In the covenant we have now, there is ONE judgement, one punishment. In the covenant before the one we are currently under, people were judged and punished for their sins then and there. you sinned because you don't care...but yet you are so quick to condemn Eve You have no idea why I sinned, but thanks for showing your arrogance :). And quick to judge, for I condemned no one. I said nothing foul of Eve. I've never once said I was better then Eve or any other person, nor have I downed anyone for anything they may have done. What in the world are you talking about Funches? Please try to stay on topic and not attack the person discussing with you with saying things such as "you sinned because you don't care". so are you trying to say that you can provide a good excuse why it's ok for you to sin ....jeez and you called me arrogant you keep forgetting that it was sin that got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden There is no excuse, nothing that justifies my sinful actions, don't know what you're talking about. Again, please try not to attack the one your discussing with. trying to teach you the different between breaking a commandment and denying a direct command from God by using your admission of sinning is not an attack only an example ....telling you to grow a pair and quit whining may constitue as an attack...perhaps There is no difference between breaking a commandment from God and denying a direct command from God. They both are a command from God. They are both his will. Again, no difference. provide a passage where God told Eve not to eat from the tree ... perhaps then you will learn the difference What would be the point in telling someone something they already know? For she knew not to eat of the fruit. 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the treesof the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. that direct command was given to Adam only..I've ask you for a passage that God indicated that Eve also have to follow that command ... I'd like to see you use that one in court as well. Well Judge, that law was given to the people before I was born, you did not give that law directly to me, so I did not have to follow it. Because she OBVIOUSLY knew of the law and knew she was not to even touch of the fruit. |
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Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years. according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient ..... so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying? God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such? according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God .. Please do enlighten us with these verses that back your claim. Cause I never seen in my readings where it said "These are the days when the LORD God made the Earth and Heavens in 500 bc. or anything of such. So please do enlighten us where you get this time frame. time started at Genesis 1:1......it took God six days to create and one day to rest, Christians believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the biblical stories suggest that it's less, so to be on the safe side that makes the age of God around 6,000 years and 7 days old, give or take a day or two ... Time did not start in Genesis 1:1, the creation of Earth and Heaven happened in Genesis 1, but that does not mean time started then. And where do you get this that Christians believe the world is around 6000 years old? What scriptural evidence do they have to support such a statement? time and Alpha started exactly at Genesis 1:1 simply because nothing supposedly existed not even time.....and at that point in time in Genesis 1:1 the bible becomes a diary as to how old the Earth and God may be ....with the adages "BC and AD" .... according to this evidence God is no older than 6,000 years and 7 days old Show me a verse where it says "God" was created, made, and or came into existence in Genesis. Genesis 1:1 says nothing about Alpha starting, or even really time starting. Only gives a summary of the information that was bout to be given in the scriptures about the creation of Heaven, Earth. Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. right....that is the verse when time and the Alpha began ...you keep forgetting that nothing existed...wouldn't that also include "time" this is why God is around 6,000 years old ...he's just a lad Where does it say in that verse "nothing" existed? Obviously something existed lol, "In the beginning when "God" created". Does not say when God was created, does not say when time was created. the bible reveals the day when the Heavens and the Earth was created ..they were created on the first day ...this is when "time" and God's birthday start How do you figure as such? Heaven and Earth are merely places, what does that have to do with time and God? And if it's God's birthday eg., the day he came into existence, how could he be creating Heaven and Earth? Something can not create something when it is not in existence. Plus this verse does not say when God was created or came into existence, again just merely speaks of the two places of Heaven and Earth. Heaven and Earth once created was under the juridiction of the laws of physics and the laws of physics are under the jurisdiction of "time" ...this is why Genesis 1:1 is the point in which time and the age of God started... I was trying to explain it without using science ... LoL, you're really funny Funches. Heaven and Earth are under no jurisdiction unless God places it under those jurisdictions. God created laws of physics, and any other law you can think of. are you saying that he hasn't done this yet? Hasn't done what? o.O Created the Heavens and Earth? Do you know what this big rock is that you live on? It's called the Earth. And the word "created" is past tense, means it's already happened. I've asked have God created the laws of physics yet? I do not know, was not there. You would have to ask God when you meet him. I would assume yes, for he created the world and the world possesses the laws of physics. |
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Tending and "dress up" are not the same. Gardeners "tend" their gardens. Dressing something up would be more so making it home, making it the way you want it. In this specific area, would have some gardening yes. Planting flowers, plants, and other shrubs where Adam wanted them placed in his home. Making shelter where he wished out of what he wished to use, ect. you asked for a passage from the bible that stated "tend" the garden and I gave you one...if you are not going to except it....only shows that you have no respect for what's in the bible But God didn't place Adam in the Garden to "Tend" it. He placed Adam in the Garden to make it his home. To dress it and keep it, dress it says he could do whatever he wished to the altering/caring of the Garden. If he was placed there to "Tend" it, there would have been guidelines, God would have told Adam to do specific things to the Garden. To grow a lawn, or some form of Garden, you already know you need to plant the plants and water them for them to grow, because you have been taught that as you grew up. Adam had no "growing" up in the same sense we do. He was made a man, not a child. So God had to tell him to tend the Garden so it wouldn't wither away, because again Adam did not have any knowledge at all except what God had revealed to him. Genesis 2:15 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. nope..I gave you a passage that stated "tend"...all you did was run to another bible which indicate that you believe the words written in each bible have different meanings .....in other words...you have no Faith in the bible But nevertheless even with the word "tend". Adam was to make the Garden his home. He wasn't out there in the Garden hoeing God's potatoes, or any work specifically for God. God was merely saying he would have to work for his food eg., tending a garden and that the food wasn't going to be handed to him on a silver platter. if there were potatos in the garden that needed to be hoed then Adam was out there hoeing with them .....if God told Adam that he had to work for his food...that mean that he had to help grow it not dress it...that is why he was place there to tend it Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, attending them to make sure they grow, ect. you don't "attend" a garden to make thing grow...you "tend" it Ok I'm sorry typo police, it's late and I made a typing error. I'll restate the comment "Dressing the Garden would be planting plants, tending to them to make sure they grow, ect. God doesn't hand over anything freely and on a silver platter. Everything is worked for. Jesus paid the price for us all on the cross when it comes to salvation. But when it comes to physical survival we are still the ones responsible for that. Why should/would God feed you when you can do it on your own after he had given the knowledge of how to do so? see..you just agreed with me...when you said that "tend" is to make sure the plants grow .... Yes, but he was not tending the Garden for God. He was tending the Garden for his own survival, he was tending it to eat, to grow. This is what I ment the entire time for you claimed Adam was made to tend the Garden. And no he was not made to tend the garden, the garden was given to Adam for food, shelter, ect. But it was Adam's job to tend his own food, God wasn't going to be a house keeper or cook for Adam. my only aim was to prove to you that for whatever reasons God created man to "tend" the Garden |
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