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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus - part 3
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Sun 01/08/12 11:48 AM



Not "lord" God, but yes that is why God the Father is Jesus' God.


oh oh...here comes the contradictions....

you claimed that Jesus does the will of the Father and obeyed the father...

so explain how the father can be Jesus's God but not his Lord


Oh Oh... here comes the blind nic picking.....

Why would Jesus need a lord?

Lord is one whom instructs other's, tells them what to do and what not to do. In a monarchy if someone's lord told them to do something, they better do it or they might receive some form of punishment. Jesus needed no lord, for he was doing the will of his father already, he already knew the will of his father for they are one. So he would not need a lord to instruct him of this will as we do eg., the reason Jesus is our Lord. For he came to tell us of the will of the father, for we did not know it.




Cowboy you just said that Jesus does the will and obey the father...that means that the father instructs jesus

so stop with the blah blah blah and explain why the father is not Jesus's Lord

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Sun 01/08/12 12:25 PM
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Not "lord" God, but yes that is why God the Father is Jesus' God.


oh oh...here comes the contradictions....

you claimed that Jesus does the will of the Father and obeyed the father...

so explain how the father can be Jesus's God but not his Lord


Oh Oh... here comes the blind nic picking.....

Why would Jesus need a lord?

Lord is one whom instructs other's, tells them what to do and what not to do. In a monarchy if someone's lord told them to do something, they better do it or they might receive some form of punishment. Jesus needed no lord, for he was doing the will of his father already, he already knew the will of his father for they are one. So he would not need a lord to instruct him of this will as we do eg., the reason Jesus is our Lord. For he came to tell us of the will of the father, for we did not know it.




Cowboy you just said that Jesus does the will and obey the father...that means that the father instructs jesus

so stop with the blah blah blah and explain why the father is not Jesus's Lord


Not necessarily. Just because it is his father's will does not mean that the father told him to do so or instructed him to do so. He is one with the father, therefore he knows the will of the father without having to be told.

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Sun 01/08/12 12:45 PM





Not "lord" God, but yes that is why God the Father is Jesus' God.


oh oh...here comes the contradictions....

you claimed that Jesus does the will of the Father and obeyed the father...

so explain how the father can be Jesus's God but not his Lord


Oh Oh... here comes the blind nic picking.....

Why would Jesus need a lord?

Lord is one whom instructs other's, tells them what to do and what not to do. In a monarchy if someone's lord told them to do something, they better do it or they might receive some form of punishment. Jesus needed no lord, for he was doing the will of his father already, he already knew the will of his father for they are one. So he would not need a lord to instruct him of this will as we do eg., the reason Jesus is our Lord. For he came to tell us of the will of the father, for we did not know it.




Cowboy you just said that Jesus does the will and obey the father...that means that the father instructs jesus

so stop with the blah blah blah and explain why the father is not Jesus's Lord


Not necessarily. Just because it is his father's will does not mean that the father told him to do so or instructed him to do so. He is one with the father, therefore he knows the will of the father without having to be told.


if Jesus is one with The Father...then why don't Jesus know the time of judgement day

it you present a passage make sure it states that Jesus knows the time of judgement day ...

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Sun 01/08/12 01:03 PM






Not "lord" God, but yes that is why God the Father is Jesus' God.


oh oh...here comes the contradictions....

you claimed that Jesus does the will of the Father and obeyed the father...

so explain how the father can be Jesus's God but not his Lord


Oh Oh... here comes the blind nic picking.....

Why would Jesus need a lord?

Lord is one whom instructs other's, tells them what to do and what not to do. In a monarchy if someone's lord told them to do something, they better do it or they might receive some form of punishment. Jesus needed no lord, for he was doing the will of his father already, he already knew the will of his father for they are one. So he would not need a lord to instruct him of this will as we do eg., the reason Jesus is our Lord. For he came to tell us of the will of the father, for we did not know it.




Cowboy you just said that Jesus does the will and obey the father...that means that the father instructs jesus

so stop with the blah blah blah and explain why the father is not Jesus's Lord


Not necessarily. Just because it is his father's will does not mean that the father told him to do so or instructed him to do so. He is one with the father, therefore he knows the will of the father without having to be told.


if Jesus is one with The Father...then why don't Jesus know the time of judgement day

it you present a passage make sure it states that Jesus knows the time of judgement day ...


Because while Jesus was in the flesh, he was not omniscient. He took on the form of a man and left his glory behind. So therefore at the time of question, while he was in the form of a man, he did not know the time of his return.

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Sun 01/08/12 01:23 PM

Because while Jesus was in the flesh, he was not omniscient. He took on the form of a man and left his glory behind. So therefore at the time of question, while he was in the form of a man, he did not know the time of his return.


wasn't he omniscient before he became Flesh...did he also lose his memory along with his glory?

or perhaps Jesus has "selective memory"

but anyway if what you say is true then you will be able to present a passage from the bible that states that Jesus in fact does know the time of judgement Day ...

if you can't...then that is further proof that you are not getting your biblical information from the bible but from the serpent the same as Eve



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Sun 01/08/12 01:54 PM


Because while Jesus was in the flesh, he was not omniscient. He took on the form of a man and left his glory behind. So therefore at the time of question, while he was in the form of a man, he did not know the time of his return.


wasn't he omniscient before he became Flesh...did he also lose his memory along with his glory?

or perhaps Jesus has "selective memory"

but anyway if what you say is true then you will be able to present a passage from the bible that states that Jesus in fact does know the time of judgement Day ...

if you can't...then that is further proof that you are not getting your biblical information from the bible but from the serpent the same as Eve





Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years.

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Sun 01/08/12 02:19 PM

Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years.


according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient .....

so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day

if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false

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Mon 01/16/12 10:30 AM
since jesus admitted to not knowing the time of judgement day and no passage so far has yet been presented from the bible that states that Jesus does in fact know the time of judgement day then this displays how there is no evidence that Jesus was ever omniscient

to be a God you have to be omniscient...I mean who follows a God that don't know more than a fifth grader

but just because Jesus isn't God doesn't mean that he wasn't floating around in Genesis someplace

so now the quest begins again to find where Jesus unquestionably indisputably makes his first biblical debut

the saga paused at Genesis 3:1 when it was question whether the serpent in the garden was Jesus since the serpent spoke in a parable format of subtlety

it was a question as to whether the serpent had the knowledge of good and evil, because if so it would explain why God said "he has become like "US" knowing both good and evil" ...it displays how the "US" would or could have been in reference to God talking to the serpent and not talking to other Gods which makes The Trinity once again invalid



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Mon 01/16/12 10:47 AM

Gensis 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, has God said, you shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


now if Eve was smarter than a fifth grader perhaps her answer would have been....no, my serpently friend, God never mention that to me...but Adam did

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Mon 01/16/12 10:55 AM
Genesis 3:2
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:


I guess the snake spoke Hebrew

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Mon 01/16/12 11:08 AM
Genesis 3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die


Adam must didn't tell Eve the command the way God relayed it to him, God never mention that the tree shouldn't be touched, the tree has to be touched since Adam was place there to tend the garden

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Mon 01/16/12 11:23 AM
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die:


wouldn't the knowledge or the conception of Death fall into the realm of having the knowledge of evil,which Eve supposedly didn't have ,

so whether she would die or not die if she ate the fruit would not present any effect on her decision since she lacked that knowledge

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Mon 01/16/12 02:06 PM


Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years.


according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient .....

so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day

if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false



according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient


Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying?

God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such?

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Mon 01/16/12 02:12 PM

since jesus admitted to not knowing the time of judgement day and no passage so far has yet been presented from the bible that states that Jesus does in fact know the time of judgement day then this displays how there is no evidence that Jesus was ever omniscient

to be a God you have to be omniscient...I mean who follows a God that don't know more than a fifth grader

but just because Jesus isn't God doesn't mean that he wasn't floating around in Genesis someplace

so now the quest begins again to find where Jesus unquestionably indisputably makes his first biblical debut

the saga paused at Genesis 3:1 when it was question whether the serpent in the garden was Jesus since the serpent spoke in a parable format of subtlety

it was a question as to whether the serpent had the knowledge of good and evil, because if so it would explain why God said "he has become like "US" knowing both good and evil" ...it displays how the "US" would or could have been in reference to God talking to the serpent and not talking to other Gods which makes The Trinity once again invalid






since jesus admitted to not knowing the time of judgement day and no passage so far has yet been presented from the bible that states that Jesus does in fact know the time of judgement day then this displays how there is no evidence that Jesus was ever omniscient


Jesus didn't know the time of judgement while he was on Earth, this much is true. That is because he humbled himself taking on the form of a servant, separating himself from God temporarily till he returned to Heaven.

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Mon 01/16/12 02:14 PM

Genesis 3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die


Adam must didn't tell Eve the command the way God relayed it to him, God never mention that the tree shouldn't be touched, the tree has to be touched since Adam was place there to tend the garden


Genesis 3:3
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Adam was not placed there to till no garden. He was not to even touch of the tree or the fruit.

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Mon 01/16/12 02:15 PM

Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die:


wouldn't the knowledge or the conception of Death fall into the realm of having the knowledge of evil,which Eve supposedly didn't have ,

so whether she would die or not die if she ate the fruit would not present any effect on her decision since she lacked that knowledge


Does not matter if God said she would grow a tail, a third leg, a third arm, or even another toe. Bottom line is God told them not to, doesn't matter the consequence.

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Mon 01/16/12 04:09 PM



Yes he was omniscient before he became flesh. But the time of judgement is not set in stone, it is not set for a specific day. He will return when all prophecies are fulfilled. There is not a time frame set for the fulfillment of the prophecies. Could take hundreds, could take thousands, heck could even take millions of years.


according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient .....

so am I'm to assume that you are unable to provide a passage from the bible to back up what you are saying and/or which states that Jesus in fact does know the time of Judgement Day

if not....make sure you inform the serpent that what he told you about Jesus being omniscient and a God was false



according to the bible one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day...which is why to an omniscient entity everything would be set in stone, that's why they are omniscient


Please give some verses that support such a statement Funches. I am unaware of any verses that support God saying this or that in a day, a 1000 years, or whatever may be the case to mean anything other then the amount of time he has said. For how are we to know how long, how many, ect if God means something other then what he is saying?

God is giving us the knowledge, how would he be giving us any knowledge if when he says 1 day he means 100 years or something but does not inform us of such?


according to the events in the bible God can't be any older than 6,000 years old which is when his alpha began ...so when it comes to the realm of time he's like a tiny baby God ..

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Mon 01/16/12 04:24 PM

Jesus didn't know the time of judgement while he was on Earth, this much is true. That is because he humbled himself taking on the form of a servant, separating himself from God temporarily till he returned to Heaven.


so Jesus had amnesia? ....

Cowboy...so....er...are you trying to prove that Jesus is God or prove that he isn't?

by claiming that he has memory lost is a vote leaning towards that he isn't

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Mon 01/16/12 04:33 PM

Adam was not placed there to till no garden.


I know this may come to a shock to you...but according to the bible... God needed a man to tend the garden that he created

perhaps to grow and sell fresh vegetables to the Elohim

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Mon 01/16/12 04:36 PM


Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die:


wouldn't the knowledge or the conception of Death fall into the realm of having the knowledge of evil,which Eve supposedly didn't have ,

so whether she would die or not die if she ate the fruit would not present any effect on her decision since she lacked that knowledge


Does not matter if God said she would grow a tail, a third leg, a third arm, or even another toe. Bottom line is God told them not to, doesn't matter the consequence.


God only gave a direct command to Adam not to eat from the tree...he did not give this command to Eve

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