Topic: The Cost of Israel to Americans
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Wed 11/30/11 06:45 PM




I dont hate jews I just hate it that we support Israel when our people are doing without so much, its absurd.

Again I have never understood why conservatives support Israel after all it is a re-distribution of wealth.

american tax payer money distributed to people who do not need it and refuse to work for it.



They support Israel because they believe the mythical religious lies of some Christian Zionists and think that supporting Israel will fulfill the prophecy that their messiah is going to come back and take them all to heaven.
Isnt that after a world wide extermination of everyone?


Yes, and the Born again fundamentalist Christians like on the 700 club can't wait for that to happen. They are absolutely insane with joy about that because then Jesus will come and raise them up.

Those people are completely insane.


Totaly

s1owhand's photo
Wed 11/30/11 07:29 PM



Jews are not widely persecuted because of "religious bigotry.


rofl Another HOWLER! rofl

Here is a little history of the non-persecution of the Jews.

http://www.luketravels.com/auschwitz/


I am not denying the holocaust, but religion was NOT why Jew were ever persecuted.

It has nothing to do with religion.

Why would anyone care what religion they practice? Nobody cares.


Hitler cared. He searched out JEWS. Not Zionists, or Robber Barons,
or Christians or Muslims but specifically JEWS - defined by their
religious observance and parentage. Hitler FALSELY blamed JEWS for
the ills of society using the very same arguments that you and others
have repeated on these threads. Such as the Protocols which you
refuse to condemn despite their proven fabrication.

Disgusting.

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Wed 11/30/11 08:04 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 11/30/11 08:07 PM




Jews are not widely persecuted because of "religious bigotry.


rofl Another HOWLER! rofl

Here is a little history of the non-persecution of the Jews.

http://www.luketravels.com/auschwitz/


I am not denying the holocaust, but religion was NOT why Jew were ever persecuted.

It has nothing to do with religion.

Why would anyone care what religion they practice? Nobody cares.


Hitler cared. He searched out JEWS. Not Zionists, or Robber Barons,
or Christians or Muslims but specifically JEWS - defined by their
religious observance and parentage. Hitler FALSELY blamed JEWS for
the ills of society using the very same arguments that you and others
have repeated on these threads. Such as the Protocols which you
refuse to condemn despite their proven fabrication.

Disgusting.



Yes, Hitler extended his prejudice to the bloodlines of the Jews so it was clearly a racial prejudice that he was advocating along with the excuse of "religion."

He was trying to create the "master race." But Hitler was being manipulated by the Zionist movement. So-called Jewish Zionist Rabbi's sacrificed a lot of their own people. (Real religious Jews) That is why I say that Zionism is the real enemy of the Jews. But there are different tribes of Jews and they are bigoted against each other.

Some say that Hitler was of the Jewish bloodline, hence Jewish himself according to some.




s1owhand's photo
Thu 12/01/11 01:15 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Thu 12/01/11 01:33 AM





Jews are not widely persecuted because of "religious bigotry.


rofl Another HOWLER! rofl

Here is a little history of the non-persecution of the Jews.

http://www.luketravels.com/auschwitz/


I am not denying the holocaust, but religion was NOT why Jew were ever persecuted.

It has nothing to do with religion.

Why would anyone care what religion they practice? Nobody cares.


Hitler cared. He searched out JEWS. Not Zionists, or Robber Barons,
or Christians or Muslims but specifically JEWS - defined by their
religious observance and parentage. Hitler FALSELY blamed JEWS for
the ills of society using the very same arguments that you and others
have repeated on these threads. Such as the Protocols which you
refuse to condemn despite their proven fabrication.

Disgusting.



Yes, Hitler extended his prejudice to the bloodlines of the Jews so it was clearly a racial prejudice that he was advocating along with the excuse of "religion."

He was trying to create the "master race." But Hitler was being manipulated by the Zionist movement. So-called Jewish Zionist Rabbi's sacrificed a lot of their own people. (Real religious Jews) That is why I say that Zionism is the real enemy of the Jews. But there are different tribes of Jews and they are bigoted against each other.

Some say that Hitler was of the Jewish bloodline, hence Jewish himself according to some.


Now you argue that the Jews brought their own extermination upon
themselves. Unbelievably disgusting. Your argument is of course
historically wrong, revolting and equivalent to blaming blacks
for their own lynching by the Klan.

Vile. Hitler targeted Jews which means those who practice the
religion of Judaism. His reason was naked bigotry and antisemitism
and using religious hatred of Jews to incite public hatred. And he
wielded his antisemitic knife like a chainsaw and killed all Jews
indiscriminately. The undisputed heavyweight champion of Jew-hatred
and mass murder and you say that the Jews brought it on themselves.

Nice. Truly vile. A new low.

This certainly shows the cost of not confronting or combating these
false stereotypes and religious intolerance. The cost of demonizing
Jews and others can be genocide on an enormous scale. The cost of
ignorance can be death.

Makes me prouder than ever that the USA works to counter such bigots.
And our support of Israel as an example of a free democracy, founded
to protect Jews and promoting religious freedom is one of the best
ways we counter this ignorance and backward thinking. Can't have a
better illustration of the need for strong support of Israel.

Now that so many in the world have had experience with bombings
like Madrid and London and the World Trade Center, Lockerbie and
India and Russia, it is becoming clearer to everyone in the world
why it is so crucial to support religious tolerance and to combat
religious hatred like the Nazi Jew-hatred you deny - falsely
blaming the victims not the Nazis who were actually responsible.

Wow.

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Thu 12/01/11 01:29 AM
http://nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf)


Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that Jews held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/01/11 01:34 AM



Jews are not widely persecuted because of "religious bigotry.


rofl Another HOWLER! rofl

Here is a little history of the non-persecution of the Jews.

http://www.luketravels.com/auschwitz/


I am not denying the holocaust, but religion was NOT why Jew were ever persecuted.

It has nothing to do with religion.

Why would anyone care what religion they practice? Nobody cares.


Read it and weep!

http://nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that Jews held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

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Thu 12/01/11 02:15 AM
S1owhand,

I have told you that I appose political movement called Zionism and that Zionism does NOT represent all Jews and yet you continue to completely ignore these statements and just rattle off a bunch of canned Zionist propaganda.

You have argued that "Jews" are not a "race" and yet now you are lumping all Jews together as a race and comparing them to Blacks.

Everyone knows that there are Jews with completely different genetic and ethnic backgrounds and they even discriminate against each other. Guess what? They even kill each other!!

They are no different than anyone else. No surprize. There are both good and evil Jews.

There are clearly anti-Zionist religious Jews and you refuse to listen or acknowledge that fact. There are even Jewish citizens living in Israel who are aware that their leadership and their government is corrupt, even evil. Jews for Jesus in Israel are treated as second class citizens.

It is stupid to attempt to portray all Jews as good or bad, but that is what you are trying to suggest by lumping them all together.

Jews, like anyone else, are individuals. Some good, some bad just like the rest of us. I would hate the world to judge all Americans because of our own corrupt leaders.

Jews are decent good people and and yet there are vicious Zionists criminals who claim to be Jews and they are the worst enemy of the Jews because they try to claim that they are "innocent poor persecuted Jews" who are only defending themselves and only occupying Israel because they need a "safe haven" to live. Yet their "safe" place is surrounded by their enemies which they have created themselves by their own aggressive violent actions of conquest and war.

And they have people like you who continue to aid them in blurring the distinction between a corrupt criminal Zionist movement and all other Jewish people of the world. You are not doing the Jewish people any favors.

Millions of Jews live in America and people are not out there trying to kill them. Yet the Jews in Israel are screaming and crying that everyone around them wants to annihilate them.

I am through reading or responding to your posts. You are close to accusing me of being anti-Semitic and nothing could be further from the truth.



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Thu 12/01/11 03:54 AM

S1owhand,

I have told you that I appose political movement called Zionism and that Zionism does NOT represent all Jews and yet you continue to completely ignore these statements and just rattle off a bunch of canned Zionist propaganda.

You have argued that "Jews" are not a "race" and yet now you are lumping all Jews together as a race and comparing them to Blacks.

Everyone knows that there are Jews with completely different genetic and ethnic backgrounds and they even discriminate against each other. Guess what? They even kill each other!!

They are no different than anyone else. No surprize. There are both good and evil Jews.

There are clearly anti-Zionist religious Jews and you refuse to listen or acknowledge that fact. There are even Jewish citizens living in Israel who are aware that their leadership and their government is corrupt, even evil. Jews for Jesus in Israel are treated as second class citizens.

It is stupid to attempt to portray all Jews as good or bad, but that is what you are trying to suggest by lumping them all together.

Jews, like anyone else, are individuals. Some good, some bad just like the rest of us. I would hate the world to judge all Americans because of our own corrupt leaders.

Jews are decent good people and and yet there are vicious Zionists criminals who claim to be Jews and they are the worst enemy of the Jews because they try to claim that they are "innocent poor persecuted Jews" who are only defending themselves and only occupying Israel because they need a "safe haven" to live. Yet their "safe" place is surrounded by their enemies which they have created themselves by their own aggressive violent actions of conquest and war.

And they have people like you who continue to aid them in blurring the distinction between a corrupt criminal Zionist movement and all other Jewish people of the world. You are not doing the Jewish people any favors.

Millions of Jews live in America and people are not out there trying to kill them. Yet the Jews in Israel are screaming and crying that everyone around them wants to annihilate them.

I am through reading or responding to your posts. You are close to accusing me of being anti-Semitic and nothing could be further from the truth.





Yes, there are all sorts of Jews but to say the Jews in America are safe is wrong. Jews worldwide have to suffer antisemitic attacks and there was one in Brooklyn just yesterday. Jewish graves desecrated is one that comes to mind. Antisemitism hasn't stopped. I know you have been wondering of the whys and wherefores as to why but it is most likely that Jews don't fight back and therefore are scapegoats.

You have often mentioned "Yet their "safe" place is surrounded by their enemies which they have created themselves by their own aggressive violent actions of conquest and war." I wonder where you get your views of that from. The Jews were given the land just after World War 1, as it was their land from thousands of years ago. Of course you posted you don't believe in the existence of the historical facts of the Old Testament so basically you really do not know or have sympathy for the Jews at all do you.

Never mind - thank goodness there are plenty that do and you are in the minority.

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Thu 12/01/11 04:38 AM
@ 5apphire

What a ridiculous statement

The Jews were given the land just after World War 1, as it was their land from thousands of years ago.


America and Australia and New Zealand plus nearly every Country in the world should be handed back to its original inhabitants at that rate.


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Thu 12/01/11 04:42 AM

@ 5apphire

What a ridiculous statement

The Jews were given the land just after World War 1, as it was their land from thousands of years ago.


America and Australia and New Zealand plus nearly every Country in the world should be handed back to its original inhabitants at that rate.




You obviously have no idea of history. Probably best if you read up on it.

Right, work beckons. I hope you get enlightened about historical facts, but I suppose you won't bother.

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 12/01/11 05:39 AM


@ 5apphire

What a ridiculous statement

The Jews were given the land just after World War 1, as it was their land from thousands of years ago.


America and Australia and New Zealand plus nearly every Country in the world should be handed back to its original inhabitants at that rate.




You obviously have no idea of history. Probably best if you read up on it.

Right, work beckons. I hope you get enlightened about historical facts, but I suppose you won't bother.


You Go and Learn History and Tell it as you see it

Go Tell it to the Māori

Go tell it to The Aboriginal Indigenous Australians

Go Tell it to the Indians.....Not the Cowboys

Indigenous Australians are the original inhabitants of the Australian continent and nearby islands. The Aboriginal Indigenous Australians migrated from the Indian continent around 75,000 to 100,000 years ago.



The Māori are the native or indigenous Polynesian people of New Zealand .

And of course The Original Americans

Apache . . . . .
Cherokee . . .
Chippewa . . . . . .
Choctaw . . . . .
Creek . . . .
Iroquois . . . .
Lumbee . . . .
Navajo . . . . . .
Pueblo . . . . .
Sioux

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Thu 12/01/11 05:44 AM
The Jews aren't kicking the arabs out. They are obviously welcome to live in Israel and as a matter of fact the arabs are happier in Israel than they would be in an arab state under sharia law where they would have restrictions. In Israel the Law is much fairer of course than sharia. They have passports if they want to go back to where they came from originally such as Syria, Lebanon, Egypt etc. They choose to stay in Israel for the equality and freedom and employment with excellent medical facilities where arabs and Jews are treated in the same hospitals with equal care.

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Thu 12/01/11 05:52 AM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Thu 12/01/11 05:53 AM
I like to think of Palestine the same way as I think about Northern Ireland.

In Northern Ireland we are all Irish...some are Protestant and some are Catholic.

In Palestine you have Arabs.....some are Jewish and some are Muslim

BTW I thought you were at work????

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Thu 12/01/11 05:59 AM

I like to think of Palestine the same way as I think about Northern Ireland.

In Northern Ireland we are all Irish...some are Protestant and some are Catholic.

In Palestine you have Arabs.....some are Jewish and some are Muslim

BTW I thought you were at work????


It's called Israel, not Palestine. And as I said muslims infiltrate over the border to escape persecution from other muslims, and they infiltrate into Israel and Israel gives them refuge. So as I said Israel is good to everyone. And yes, the beauty of working from home is my time is my own and I can dip into the internet when I want to!

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Thu 12/01/11 06:13 AM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Thu 12/01/11 06:13 AM


It's called Israel, not Palestine. And as I said muslims infiltrate over the border to escape persecution from other muslims, and they infiltrate into Israel and Israel gives them refuge. So as I said Israel is good to everyone. And yes, the beauty of working from home is my time is my own and I can dip into the internet when I want to!


Whatever...Palestine..Israel...Occupied Territories.....Bantustans...Apartheid Land.

The End Solution

Return to Borders of 1967

Right of Return for Refugees (agreed numbers)

And East Jerusalem as Capital of Palestinedrinker

Ta me ag dul amach anois. Ta suil agam go mbeigh me ag caint leat faoi lathair.

Slan Leat anois.waving

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Thu 12/01/11 06:21 AM
Edited by 5apphire on Thu 12/01/11 06:22 AM



It's called Israel, not Palestine. And as I said muslims infiltrate over the border to escape persecution from other muslims, and they infiltrate into Israel and Israel gives them refuge. So as I said Israel is good to everyone. And yes, the beauty of working from home is my time is my own and I can dip into the internet when I want to!


Whatever...Palestine..Israel...Occupied Territories.....Bantustans...Apartheid Land.

The End Solution

Return to Borders of 1967

Right of Return for Refugees (agreed numbers)

And East Jerusalem as Capital of Palestinedrinker

Ta me ag dul amach anois. Ta suil agam go mbeigh me ag caint leat faoi lathair.

Slan Leat anois.waving


Israel - and it's not occupied!
And I would love to see how you think Israel practices apartheid.
The so called Borders are not borders - they are armistace lines.
East Jerusalem is part of west Jersusalem - not divided.
and

Tá súil agat freastal ar roinnt daoine deas Giúdach ar do taisteal.


Optomistic69's photo
Thu 12/01/11 06:28 AM




It's called Israel, not Palestine. And as I said muslims infiltrate over the border to escape persecution from other muslims, and they infiltrate into Israel and Israel gives them refuge. So as I said Israel is good to everyone. And yes, the beauty of working from home is my time is my own and I can dip into the internet when I want to!


Whatever...Palestine..Israel...Occupied Territories.....Bantustans...Apartheid Land.

The End Solution

Return to Borders of 1967

Right of Return for Refugees (agreed numbers)

And East Jerusalem as Capital of Palestinedrinker

Ta me ag dul amach anois. Ta suil agam go mbeigh me ag caint leat faoi lathair.

Slan Leat anois.waving


Israel - and it's not occupied!
And I would love to see how you think Israel practices apartheid.
The so called Borders are not borders - they are armistace lines.
East Jerusalem is part of west Jersusalem - not divided.
and

Tá súil agat freastal ar roinnt daoine deas Giúdach ar do taisteal.




I have done business with numerous Jews over many years in Edgeware London.drinker

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Thu 12/01/11 06:35 AM





It's called Israel, not Palestine. And as I said muslims infiltrate over the border to escape persecution from other muslims, and they infiltrate into Israel and Israel gives them refuge. So as I said Israel is good to everyone. And yes, the beauty of working from home is my time is my own and I can dip into the internet when I want to!


Whatever...Palestine..Israel...Occupied Territories.....Bantustans...Apartheid Land.

The End Solution

Return to Borders of 1967

Right of Return for Refugees (agreed numbers)

And East Jerusalem as Capital of Palestinedrinker

Ta me ag dul amach anois. Ta suil agam go mbeigh me ag caint leat faoi lathair.

Slan Leat anois.waving


Israel - and it's not occupied!
And I would love to see how you think Israel practices apartheid.
The so called Borders are not borders - they are armistace lines.
East Jerusalem is part of west Jersusalem - not divided.
and

Tá súil agat freastal ar roinnt daoine deas Giúdach ar do taisteal.




I have done business with numerous Jews over many years in Edgeware London.drinker


I bet some of your best friends are Jews too, right?

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Thu 12/01/11 10:17 AM


S1owhand,

I have told you that I appose political movement called Zionism and that Zionism does NOT represent all Jews and yet you continue to completely ignore these statements and just rattle off a bunch of canned Zionist propaganda.

You have argued that "Jews" are not a "race" and yet now you are lumping all Jews together as a race and comparing them to Blacks.

Everyone knows that there are Jews with completely different genetic and ethnic backgrounds and they even discriminate against each other. Guess what? They even kill each other!!

They are no different than anyone else. No surprize. There are both good and evil Jews.

There are clearly anti-Zionist religious Jews and you refuse to listen or acknowledge that fact. There are even Jewish citizens living in Israel who are aware that their leadership and their government is corrupt, even evil. Jews for Jesus in Israel are treated as second class citizens.

It is stupid to attempt to portray all Jews as good or bad, but that is what you are trying to suggest by lumping them all together.

Jews, like anyone else, are individuals. Some good, some bad just like the rest of us. I would hate the world to judge all Americans because of our own corrupt leaders.

Jews are decent good people and and yet there are vicious Zionists criminals who claim to be Jews and they are the worst enemy of the Jews because they try to claim that they are "innocent poor persecuted Jews" who are only defending themselves and only occupying Israel because they need a "safe haven" to live. Yet their "safe" place is surrounded by their enemies which they have created themselves by their own aggressive violent actions of conquest and war.

And they have people like you who continue to aid them in blurring the distinction between a corrupt criminal Zionist movement and all other Jewish people of the world. You are not doing the Jewish people any favors.

Millions of Jews live in America and people are not out there trying to kill them. Yet the Jews in Israel are screaming and crying that everyone around them wants to annihilate them.

I am through reading or responding to your posts. You are close to accusing me of being anti-Semitic and nothing could be further from the truth.





Yes, there are all sorts of Jews but to say the Jews in America are safe is wrong. Jews worldwide have to suffer antisemitic attacks and there was one in Brooklyn just yesterday. Jewish graves desecrated is one that comes to mind. Antisemitism hasn't stopped. I know you have been wondering of the whys and wherefores as to why but it is most likely that Jews don't fight back and therefore are scapegoats.

You have often mentioned "Yet their "safe" place is surrounded by their enemies which they have created themselves by their own aggressive violent actions of conquest and war." I wonder where you get your views of that from. The Jews were given the land just after World War 1, as it was their land from thousands of years ago. Of course you posted you don't believe in the existence of the historical facts of the Old Testament so basically you really do not know or have sympathy for the Jews at all do you.

Never mind - thank goodness there are plenty that do and you are in the minority.



So are you saying that sympathy is what Jews want? Really? Why? What do they gain by getting sympathy?

Jews are just as safe in America as anyone else. Blacks are more persecuted for their race than Jews worldwide.

Where do I get my views? From reading world news not just Zionist controlled media.

Why should I have sympathy for Jews? They are no different from anyone else.


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Thu 12/01/11 10:24 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 12/01/11 10:27 AM


@ 5apphire

What a ridiculous statement

The Jews were given the land just after World War 1, as it was their land from thousands of years ago.


America and Australia and New Zealand plus nearly every Country in the world should be handed back to its original inhabitants at that rate.




You obviously have no idea of history. Probably best if you read up on it.

Right, work beckons. I hope you get enlightened about historical facts, but I suppose you won't bother.


The land was not given to the Jews. The British, (THE CROWN) has been pillaging and plundering third world countries for centuries taking control of them. They had control of that land via their plundering conquest and they simply told Baron Rothschild that he could have it to do with as he wished and that they would not interfere. It was just one criminal bully aggressor assigning a territory to another criminal bully aggressor... The Rothschild empire.

I hope you get enlightened about historical facts, and about the Criminal Rothschilds, but I suppose you won't bother.