Because he is the one that judges us. Do you go to your friend Sally and ask forgiveness of something you've done to your friend Jessica? No, so why would you need to ask forgiveness from anyone but from Jesus? Jesus is the light, he is the path to God the father, to Heaven, to eternal life. Without Jesus, one doesn't have any of that.

There is no mediator between God and I.
Noone but me can "pay" for my sins.
YHWH saves, not "Jesus".

These things are what the Bible says...


Read Romans 2 for at least one other way.

No Cowboy for the last time your analogy can't possibly work at all.

Fire is not a sentient being.

God is.

If you can't comprehend the difference in that, then I don't know what to tell you.

You must think that God is unconscious or something. That's all I can figure.

I comprehend perfectly, it is you not comprehending. No the fire is not a sentient being. If you jump in a pit that is up in flames, who's fault would it be that you got burned? God cause he made fire? It would be your fault for jumping in the fire. That is more or less what people are doing with sinning, we are jumping into the pit of fire.

God has told us what is the result of disobedience. He has told us about the burning pit and how to stay out of it. If you do contrary to what we have been told, would you not be jumping in the pit of fire on your own free will? Cause if you didn't want to go into the pit of fire, you would not have done what caused you to go.

What you're saying is the same as "It's the judges fault I'm in prison". No, it's the criminals fault he's in prison for doing whatever he did to get there. Same with going to hell.

"Hell" is fiction with zero scriptural support.

So the Christians put Jesus before Yahweh, and you put Paul before Jesus.

Very interesting.

By the way Jesus supposedly said that he is the only way to the father, so if Paul claimed that there is another way then wouldn't that make Paul a liar, or at best, a false prophet?

How can Paul spit in the face of the words of Jesus?


John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If Paul taught something different from this in Romans, then the bible clearly contains contradictions. But then there's nothing new there.

Which doesn't matter much anyways. Since hell is destroyed in the end of times. It is thrown in the lake of fire along with everyone who did not receive eternal life. And this particular verse(s) will also help in showing that their will be no "torment" on those who did not receive eternal life.


Revelation 20:14
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Ever stop to think maybe you're NOT a sinner and the Bible lies? A book can claim anything it wants, but it doesn't mean it is true.

Obedience follows AFTER Salvation, Cowboy.

Roman 10:9 tells us How we may be Saved.

God is NOT interested in our obedience , BEFORE Salvation.

BEFORE Salvation ,our obedience is just DEAD WORKS to

God ....especially if we think we can EARN our way to God.


I can see now, that You are STILL believing that you must be

Obedient ,so you can EARN your way to heaven.

That is NOT what the bible teaches, at all.

We can NEVER earn our way to heaven.

No, Cowboy your analogies always fail miserably.

First off, why are you comparing God with a mere mortal human judge?

A mere mortal human judge has no power, omniscience or anything else. He is also highly restrained by the laws of the society in what he can dish out as a sentence, etc.

God would be totally ABOVE all of that.

If the penalty for disobedience is DEATH, then why be CRUEL and MEAN to the person that God is going to KILL?

That was the original point I was making.

Why not just kill them peaceful and be done with it. What would be the POINT in inflicting them with physical torture?

God is a sentient being. He has FULL CONTROL over what he decides to do. There would be absolutely no reason whatsoever for this supposedly "ALL LOVING and ALL MERCIFUL" God to get into the nasty demonic business of physically being mean to people just because they don't believe in him, or even because they aren't interested in obeying him.

Why be MEAN to them? Whey HURT them?

That's demonic behavior and is totally uncalled for and serves NO GOOD purpose.

You're trying to take the responsibility for this hideous behavior off the shoulders of the God and place it onto the person who is being tortured.

That bull crap!

The God is ultimately the one who is deciding to perform this kind of hideous behavior.

NO ONE ELSE CAN TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT!

Certainly not the people who are being tortured.

That would be entirely the decision of the God to torture them and no one else.

The God, as portrayed in the Bible, would be demonic and have demonic tendencies and behaviors.

It's as simple as that.

There is no excuse for a God who intentionally hurts people, especially if he's planning on killing them anyway.



I totally reject this religion as being demonic and ungodly.

Why should I trust a demonic God?

Takes both obedience and faith to be saved.


James 2:14-17
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Question for you Peter, why would a God come up with a book that would require me or anyone else to find and translate root words of things in the book to fully understand it? Wouldn't it wanna make it EASIER to understand what the thing means rather than HARDER?

I've never made any claims that anything which is in the bible is true. My claims are that of which words are actually contained in the Bible.


You wanna use scare tactics and claim the Bible preaches hell and everlasting torment? Then show me the scripture that actually says that. Be prepared to use a concordance though, because I sure will.


You wanna make claims about the virgin birth?

How about tithing?

Perhaps you want to argue that God is jealous?


Seriously, read it for yourself, I know you still haven't...

Peter, Morningsong, Cowboy, anyone,

YHWH saves, not "Jesus?"

To know God you must accept Jesus?

Do you see what is going on here?

Everyone has names for God, and requirements, and opinions about who is doing the saving...

I wouldn't really mind saying that some God/human personality can represent God on earth and might be a great teacher, but what difference does it make what name you call him or her?

Also, then you tack on a bunch of other stuff you expect people to accept and believe. Like we are all a bunch of sinners who need to acknowledge a bloody sacrifice in order to be saved from our sins.

Do you know how pagan, witchy or weird that sounds?

No, I would apologize to Sally. Duh.


Don't know him, never met him, and I never did anything to him that I need him to forgive me for.



How would you know that? How does that even make any sense?

John 5
20For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him



Because no other was sent for us but Jesus. And the name matters, the same way your name matters. Do you respond if someone called you Jill? Or if you call your friend Jesisca, Francais, will she reply? That's the reason it matter what name you call him, for it is his name. His name is above all names.

Jesus is the path to Heaven.

Say Maple street is the only road that goes to say Wallmart. Will you get to Wallmart by taking Thomas road? Of course not, so why would you get to Heaven by taking road Buddha or any other?

Peterpan, the book of ROMANS is ADDRESSING

BELIEVERS!!!!

Exactly. If anything I would imagine that Jesus would probably want to thank me for at least trying to save him from the the horrible Christian rumors.

I do my best to try. But the Christians are hell bent on demanding that he's a horrible monster. It's a losing battle for sure.